Gamora vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Deadline
How abput addressing what was said in the scan? They have brought evidence heres the problem with you lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[b]Confirmation bias (or myside bias[1]) is a tendency for people to prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses, independently of whether they are true.[2][3] People can reinforce their existing attitudes by selectively collecting new evidence, by interpreting evidence in a biased way, or by selectively recalling information from memory.[4] Some psychologists use "confirmation bias" for any of these three cognitive biases, while others restrict the term to selective collection of evidence, using assimilation bias for biased interpretation.[2][5] [/B]

What scan would you like me to address? 😕

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She shielded him and moved him away from the sun, but she didn`t heal him or even put out the fire for that matter. He healed under his own powers.

Anyway I dont think the source of Gamoras burns is all that important, at least not to the discussion at hand, that is more a matter for a durability discussion. Her skin boiled and blistered, she likely suffered third degree burns and the lost a good deal of her epidermis. I don`t want to say this superficial damage, sure it hurt like hell but it was largely surface damage. She didnt need to regrow any muscle mass or organs, but it it took her days to heal the burns and regrow her skin. This is the type of damage Wolverine has healed from in mere panels and been back to peak condition. On a few occasions it has taken him a few hours, but we are still talking about healing factor feats literally hundreds of times the power and speed of Gamoras.

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Originally posted by carver9
I know, I"m just trying to make them feel better. 😮‍💨

Wolverine in the only one who has gotten upgraded since then?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wolverine in the only one who has gotten upgraded since then?

Besides the Ronan fight, what else has Gamora done that makes you think she is above Wolverine?

no. but, we know what the upgrade was by on panel showing and confirmation by him, xavier, hank and finally by HF confirmation..

Originally posted by Deadline
How abput addressing what was said in the scan? They have brought evidence heres the problem with you lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[b]Confirmation bias (or myside bias[1]) is a tendency for people to prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses, independently of whether they are true.[2][3] People can reinforce their existing attitudes by selectively collecting new evidence, by interpreting evidence in a biased way, or by selectively recalling information from memory.[4] Some psychologists use "confirmation bias" for any of these three cognitive biases, while others restrict the term to selective collection of evidence, using assimilation bias for biased interpretation.[2][5] [/B]

Except you're not providing evidence but simply calling those who disagree with you stupid. You think that just because Thor is a norse god that he takes Logan by default in every single way possible. You think this despite the myriads of evidence we have in support that Logan is faster and has better reflexes than Thor in melee combat. You completely ignore the fact that Logan was able to dodge Thor's finest blows, and that Thor never actually won the fight but Logan just stopped due to the fact that he realised Thor wasn't Sabretooth. So it looks like you're the one with the confirmation bias here. The Thor fanboys and Wolverine haters have stooped to every underhanded trick in the book to make Wolverine looks like he loses to both Thor and to Gamora. This ranges from speculative interpretations to flat out making stuff up.

You also probably think that what Wolverine said about Gamora's healing factor holds water. Well, the fact is that the opinion of Wolverine regarding Gamora's healing factor is completely meaningless.

I mean, if we go by character opinions, then we have to consider that in Uncanny X-men, Storm had said that X-23 was as strong and fast as Logan, yet later on in the issue, this clearly proved not to be the case. In the same series, Storm asserts that the GEISH is as formidable as Juggernaut...this of course happens two seconds before Logan causes Geish to surrender by threatening to pop his claws into his neck. So unless you want to admit that Wolverine can take Juggernaut in three panels, I suggest you take the opinions of the comic book characters with a grain of salt.

Also, according to early Uncanny issues - Logan's claws are part of his gloves. So yeah...kinda irrelivant now isn't it. It's called retconning. It's called going with scans and good evidence instead of speculation, lying and resorting to the opinions of comic book characters. All of these tactics that you've used just prove you have absolutely no case.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Except you're not providing evidence but simply calling those who disagree with you stupid. You think that just because Thor is a norse god that he takes Logan by default in every single way possible. You think this despite the myriads of evidence we have in support that Logan is faster and has better reflexes than Thor in melee combat. You completely ignore the fact that Logan was able to dodge Thor's finest blows, and that Thor never actually won the fight but Logan just stopped due to the fact that he realised Thor wasn't Sabretooth. So it looks like you're the one with the confirmation bias here. The Thor fanboys and Wolverine haters have stooped to every underhanded trick in the book to make Wolverine looks like he loses to both Thor and to Gamora. This ranges from speculative interpretations to flat out making stuff up.

You also probably think that what Wolverine said about Gamora's healing factor holds water. Well, the fact is that the opinion of Wolverine regarding Gamora's healing factor is completely meaningless.

I mean, if we go by character opinions, then we have to consider that in Uncanny X-men, Storm had said that X-23 was as strong and fast as Logan, yet later on in the issue, this clearly proved not to be the case. In the same series, Storm asserts that the GEISH is as formidable as Juggernaut...this of course happens two seconds before Logan causes Geish to surrender by threatening to pop his claws into his neck. So unless you want to admit that Wolverine can take Juggernaut in three panels, I suggest you take the opinions of the comic book characters with a grain of salt.

Also, according to early Uncanny issues - Logan's claws are part of his gloves. So yeah...kinda irrelivant now isn't it. It's called retconning. It's called going with scans and good evidence instead of speculation, lying and resorting to the opinions of comic book characters. All of these tactics that you've used just prove you have absolutely no case.

Thats complete and utter bullshit. I could carry on posting but I can't be arsed because I know what happens next. All you lot are good at are making excuses and distortion. Its pathetic.

Serioulsy whats the point. Any scan with Wolverine in it and you start stretching shit.....argh!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't believe the level of stupidity this thread has reached... Why are people discounting that Wolverine said that Gamora healing factor is on par with his? Again this was put in there FOR A REASON by the writer. Sorry you don't like it but it is there. Are you honestly arguing that the writer was trying to use trickery so we could decipher what he really meant? He put that line in there hoping we would then read that and say… Oooo Wolverine can't really know if that is true or not and thus…. her HF isn't on par with Wolverine… WTF!!! No… it was put in there to ILLUSTRATE in plain english that her hf is on par with his. Period. Now Wolverine beats Thor in a h2h fight... even with his hammer? My God!!! I'm really unclear about what is going on here... is there a contagious wolverine wanking disease spreading across the forum? It's just lunacy. Next thing we know they will say Wolverine makes Thanos bleed out in a h2h fight... only I'm sure it's easier since he has no melee weapon...

What Wolverine says about Gamora's HF is completely irrelivant. I mean, for years he thought that Creed had an inferior HF. Only in the 90's did Logan realise that Creed actually healed faster. This was of course 100 years later right....I mean Logan has known Creed for how long? It's only his mortal enemy, you would think he would have a grasp of whether or not Creed could heal faster. But no. He was wrong. Just goes to show that Wolverine isn't right about everything. 😉

Originally posted by Deadline
Thats complete and utter bullshit. I could carry on posting but I can't be arsed because I know what happens next. All you lot are good at are making excuses and distortion. Its pathetic.

Serioulsy whats the point. Any scan with Wolverine in it and you start stretching shit.....argh!

You could carry on, but you don't have the evidence to refute my arguments so you just resort to insults. Typical wolverine bashing and wolverine fan bashing. It's just like when I tell Christians the earth is not 6000 years old an they look at me like I'M stupid instead of providing scientific evidence to the counter. Of course such evidence doesn't exist so the only thing they have left is displays of anger and insults.

Originally posted by carver9
Besides the Ronan fight, what else has Gamora done that makes you think she is above Wolverine?

I don't need much more than the Ronan fight really. My point was that Wolv wasn't the only one upgraded and this showed in the Ronan fight. You say Wolverine healing factor is NOW greater than hers... even if they were the same back then... What are you basing this on and how are you quantifying this?

As far as why I think she wins... IMO she's faster than Wolverine... certainly stronger (without question) and a more skilled h2h and weapon fighter. Just because she doesn't have the 1000 more showings that Wolverine does and the chances to show off such skill doesn't change her skill prowless. She was given the nickname by marvel of the Deadliest Woman in the Universe. Said to have mastered 84% of all armed and unarmed combat. Trained by Thanos himself. She did quite well against him in their sparring session. Did quite well against Ronan. Has I believe one-shotted Drax and did quite well against him before. Did quite well against another brick in The Thing. Just because she doesn't have TH3 F3ATS and as many appearances doesn't mean it isn't plainly obvious who is superior fighter of the two.

^ Y'know Temugin has less feats than Wolverine I wonder whos more skilled. Oh yeah obvoulsy Wolverine is more skilled than Mandarin as well.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't need much more than the Ronan fight really. My point was that Wolv wasn't the only one upgraded and this showed in the Ronan fight. You say Wolverine healing factor is NOW greater than hers... even if they were the same back then... What are you basing this on and how are you quantifying this?

As far as why I think she wins... IMO she's faster than Wolverine... certainly stronger (without question) and a more skilled h2h and weapon fighter. Just because she doesn't have the 1000 more showings that Wolverine does and the chances to show off such skill doesn't change her skill prowless. She was given the nickname by marvel of the Deadliest Woman in the Universe. Said to have mastered 84% of all armed and unarmed combat. Trained by Thanos himself. She did quite well against him in their sparring session. Did quite well against Ronan. Has I believe one-shotted Drax and did quite well against him before. Did quite well against another brick in The Thing. Just because she doesn't have TH3 F3ATS and as many appearances doesn't mean it isn't plainly obvious who is superior fighter of the two.

Post scans. Also, Logan has done MUCH better against Thing. He even turned a Chi-amping version of THING into dust with a casual slap of the hand...while fighting three other CHI-AMPING fighters which he defeated without using his claws or HF. He went on pure skill and only used his claws at the very end to kill Soul Striker (which he could have just used his fist to knock him out).

One-shotting bricks doesn't necessarily make you ubber skilled just means you are incredibly strong. Please post scans CLEARLY showing three things

a) That Gamora performed the feats you mentioned

b) That she did so using skill.

c) That Gamora has equal or greater speed/reflexes.

d) The extent of her healing capabilities.

That's not too much to ask is it?

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Also, Logan has done MUCH better against Thing. He even turned a Chi-amping version of THING into dust with a casual slap of the hand...while fighting three other CHI-AMPING fighters which he defeated without using his claws or HF.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie

One-shotting bricks doesn't necessarily make you ubber skilled just means you are incredibly strong. Please post scans CLEARLY showing three things

Jesus fing Christ. Theres no point in posting any scans because if you come out with retarded shit like that theres no point in discussing anything.

*FACEPALM*

Originally posted by Deadline
Jesus fing Christ. Theres no point in posting any scans because if you come out with retarded shit like that theres no point in discussing anything.

*FACEPALM*

Wait...so believing that an incredibly strong brick can one-shot another brick is stupid? eh?

Honestly, if you post scans showing that Gamora's skill is greater than Logans, I will believe it.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Scans?

It's all in the Wolverine respect thread. Wolverine has flat out owned thing by stabbing him in the shoulder in EOTS. The fight with the Chi-ampers is also there...I can drag the scans here if you like but after I come back from the gym.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Wait...so believing that an incredibly strong brick can one-shot another brick is stupid? eh?

Honestly, if you post scans showing that Gamora's skill is greater than Logans, I will believe it.

Gamora obvoulsy Kos bricks because of her skill, so making a statement like that is retarded.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
It's all in the Wolverine respect thread. Wolverine has flat out owned thing by stabbing him in the shoulder in EOTS. The fight with the Chi-ampers is also there...I can drag the scans here if you like but after I come back from the gym.

This is why no one can be bothered. Wolverine beat Thing by using super sharp adamntuim claws not his bare hands.

FACEPALM!!!!!

Originally posted by Deadline
Gamora obvoulsy Kos bricks because of her skill, so making a statement like that is retarded.

This is why no one can be bothered. Wolverine beat Thing by using super sharp adamntuim claws not his bare hands.

FACEPALM!!!!!

He also beat a chi-amping martial arts version of THING with one casual slap of his bare hand. Wait, did I say beat? I mean, he turned the dude INTO DUST! Karniak moves ftw!

Also, if it's so obvious that she used her skill and oh I dunno...not her super human strength COMBINED with her skill, why not post scans. Something along the lines of.."and Gamora KOED so and so using skill alone" writen off panel. That would suffice. I mean, she's a class 70, right, so how much skill do you think she needs to KO a brick. If are talking a brick like the Hulk, then two weeks of boxing lessons should do it. lol. Please be more specific.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
He also beat a chi-amping martial arts version of THING with one casual slap of his bare hand. Wait, did I say beat? I mean, he turned the dude INTO DUST! Karniak moves ftw!

Lets see those scans. Even if he did its clearly not a normal showing, there are 100s of showings that indicate he can't do that. If that version of Thing was as powerful as Thing its clearly PIS.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie

Also, if it's so obvious that she used her skill and oh I dunno...not her super human strength COMBINED with her skill, why not post scans. Something along the lines of.."and Gamora KOED so and so using skill alone" writen off panel. That would suffice. I mean, she's a class 70, right, so how much skill do you think she needs to KO a brick. If are talking a brick like the Hulk, then two weeks of boxing lessons should do it. lol. Please be more specific.

Obvously some strength is used but the vast majority of it is skill. Please use your head. Shes Koed bricks when she didn't have superhuman stats anyway.

are you kidding that is from manifest destiny mini.. he can and has done similar ko nerve hits.. you could also see in the story that he had bn practicing with an old master relearning the basics which he was taught to see the weakness in things b/c logan had forgotten and simply barreled through ppl..

in his fight he finally did it with a brick which caused him to shatter,, he can and does do it.. it is his ability you just dont like it.. and to make it worse for you his ability is also cemented by MA training on panel and demonstrated by doing it to a brick