Originally posted by srankmissingnin....forgive me, i didn't know wolverine now has the ability to reduce all of his foes to rubble, in case you didnt realize i wasn't making any point about the validity of wolverine's attack, merely it's effects.
Po taught him to "see" the inherent weakness in an object and destroy it with a slight touch in the right location. So... your wrong.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWho would win? Let's see: Gamora's got greater combat skills in both unarmed and armed techniques, ranged attacks via energy blasts, Godslayer (which isn't a normal sword lulz), durability that lets her escape a molten pit of lava unscathed, tank Universal Weapon hits and full power blasts, and tank being exposed to the surface of a star for a time whereas Wolverine would be incinerated nigh instantaneously (despite being able to regenerate). Wolverine's stabby-stabs, inferior skills, inferior durability, and superior regenerative healing factor don't offer him a physicality which renders him immune to being knocked out by Gamora. Wolverine's been beaten by far less than the package that is Gamora.
Who would win in a fight Wolverine with class 70 strength, midtier durability, with a sword and dagger in place of his claws and his healing factor operating at 10%, or standard Wolverine. Because thats the fight more or less. Gamoras strength advantage doesnt come even remotely near offsetting the differences in healing factors.End of thread.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0Wow! osheet
Who would win? Let's see: Gamora's got greater combat skills in both unarmed and armed techniques, ranged attacks via energy blasts, Godslayer (which isn't a normal sword lulz), durability that lets her escape a molten pit of lava unscathed, tank Universal Weapon hits and full power blasts, and tank being exposed to the surface of a star for a time whereas Wolverine would be incinerated nigh instantaneously (despite being able to regenerate). Wolverine's stabby-stabs, inferior skills, inferior durability, and superior regenerative healing factor don't offer him a physicality which renders him immune to being knocked out by Gamora. Wolverine's been beaten by far less than the package that is Gamora.End of thread.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Who would win? Let's see: Gamora's got greater combat skills in both unarmed and armed techniques, ranged attacks via energy blasts, Godslayer (which isn't a normal sword lulz), durability that lets her escape a molten pit of lava unscathed, tank Universal Weapon hits and full power blasts, and tank being exposed to the surface of a star for a time whereas Wolverine would be incinerated nigh instantaneously (despite being able to regenerate). Wolverine's stabby-stabs, inferior skills, inferior durability, and superior regenerative healing factor don't offer him a physicality which renders him immune to being knocked out by Gamora. Wolverine's been beaten by far less than the package that is Gamora.End of thread.
Except she doesn't have greater combat skills unarmed or armed. No viable ranged options, at least nothing powerful enough to matter. The effectiveness of Godslayer is entirely theoretical, and therefor brings nothing concrete to the table. Wolverine's already been exposed to the heat of the sun without being incinerated (as well as two nuclear explosions, which hit temperatures greater than then our sun), so there that. Wolverine's tanked far more than Gamora can offer, and he's beaten better.
She doesn't have the strength, or weaponry needed to overwhelm Wolverine's healing factor. She doesn't have the durability or healing needed to compensate for his damage output. She doesn't have the speed or skill needed to avoid his attacks. Gamora is outclassed. If the go shot for shot, Wolverine will win, and they aren't going to go shot for shot seeing as - you know - Wolverine is faster and more skilled. Take your meds.
^ Gamora has greater combat skills both unarmed and armed. News to you, I trust. Godslayer is not a sword, lulz. Wolverine got incinerated in New X-Men #150 and was only kept from being incinerated by Phoenix. That should correct a misconception floating about the last few pages. Whatever other Sun instance you're referring to, feel free to post a scan or inform which issue # you're referring to. I'm sure it's wrong anyway. Nuclear explosions are not hotter than the sun in comics. Hulk and Sentry tank jobber nuclear explosions like nothing. They get disintegrated by the Sun. Much like Wolverine has been disintegrated by far less than nuclear blasts, such as, molten steel or Nitro's blast. Wolverine isn't as durable as Gamora, even in the limited category of heat resistance. Not even close.
This thread doesn't limit Gamora to winning via only overloading Wolverine's healing factor. Therefore, acting like overwhelming his healing factor (a difficult task to be sure) is the only way to beat him, is an atrociously ignorant red herring. Wolverine can be, and has been, knocked out. And knocked out, by far less a formidable foe like Gamora. Don't even try to pretend that hasn't happened. Gamora has more than enough skill and speed to avoid his attacks. She won't be handicapped by naked Hulks falling out of the sky this time around and she's upgraded. Acting like Gamora would go shot-for-shot in a Sabretooth/Wolverine style fight is just another manifestation of your transparent efforts to bring Gamora down to Wolverine's level.
^ Dip Wolverine into lava, Wolverine's flesh burns. Dip Gamora into lava, Gamora's hot and bothered. I don't think this is debateable at all.
Hit Wolverine with point-blank Universal Weapon fullpower blast, Wolverine gets knocked out. Hit Gamora with point-blank Universal Weapon fullpower blast, she's flipping about and dodging all follow-up blasts. I don't think this requires much less than common sense, but that's just me.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Gamora has greater combat skills both unarmed and armed. News to you, I trust. Godslayer is not a sword, lulz. Wolverine got incinerated in New X-Men #150 and was only kept from being incinerated by Phoenix. That should correct a misconception floating about the last few pages. Whatever other Sun instance you're referring to, feel free to post a scan or inform which issue # you're referring to. I'm sure it's wrong anyway. Nuclear explosions are not hotter than the sun in comics. Hulk and Sentry tank jobber nuclear explosions like nothing. They get disintegrated by the Sun. Much like Wolverine has been disintegrated by far less than nuclear blasts, such as, molten steel or Nitro's blast. Wolverine isn't as durable as Gamora, even in the limited category of heat resistance. Not even close.This thread doesn't limit Gamora to winning via only overloading Wolverine's healing factor. Therefore, acting like overwhelming his healing factor (a difficult task to be sure) is the only way to beat him, is an atrociously ignorant red herring. Wolverine can be, and has been, knocked out. And knocked out, by far less a formidable foe like Gamora. Don't even try to pretend that hasn't happened. Gamora has more than enough skill and speed to avoid his attacks. She won't be handicapped by naked Hulks falling out of the sky this time around and she's upgraded. Acting like Gamora would go shot-for-shot in a Sabretooth/Wolverine style fight is just another manifestation of your transparent efforts to bring Gamora down to Wolverine's level.
Gamora doesn't have greater combat skills in either unarmed and armed. Its hardly a mater of debate. The only person she has fought who has any definable martial skill is Wolverine... and... you know... he beat her. She hasn't defeated anyone with worth while ability. She can drop some unaware opponents with pressure points, it hardly makes her the queen of combat.
No, you are thinking of the right instance, only Phoenix didn't do shit to help Wolverine. You seem to take her being there as some evidence that she was somehow intervening on Wolverine's part... but she wasn't. They only thing she did was fly them away from the sun, but her little ship didn't shield Wolverine from the heat of the sun... and she didn't even put out the flames, he was still on fire during the return flight.
Nuclear blasts are hotter than the sun. Sentry and Hulk, like almost all top tiers would be relatively unaffected by the heat of the sun. Voids already taken the sun, and Hulks survived the core of planet Sakaar (which if is the same as the Earth's core is also hotter than the sun).
Do you know how you knock out Wolverine? You knock him out by overloading his healing factor. Which isn't something Gamora is capable of doing. I know the only Wolverine feat you like to use is Wolverine vs. Ennis Punisher, but basing your opinion on lame ass examples of PIS isn't going to get you anywhere.
Thats how Gamora fights. She is a melee fighter. She is going to come into melee to fight Wolverine and he is going to cut her to ribbons. She has been hit by slower, less skilled fighters than Wolverine. Gamora will get hit by Wolverine, and she isn't durable enough, nor does she heal fast to take the kind of damage Wolverine dishes out and keep fighting.
Gamora's upgrades provided no boost to either her skill, speed or healing factor, so I'm not really seeing why you bring it up in the context of their fight. If Wolverine stabs her in the gut, the fights over. If he opens an artery the fights over. If he punctures a vital organ, the fights over. She can't compete with Wolverine. Her strength doesn't make up for the huge discrepancy in their healing factors, and Wolverine is a faster more skilled opponent.
And no one said Godslayer was a sword. 😕
Originally posted by OneDumbG0yeah, under your selective scenarios, sure gamora seems more durable
^ Dip Wolverine into lava, Wolverine's flesh burns. Dip Gamora into lava, Gamora's hot and bothered. I don't think this is debateable at all.Hit Wolverine with point-blank Universal Weapon fullpower blast, Wolverine gets knocked out. Hit Gamora with point-blank Universal Weapon fullpower blast, she's flipping about and dodging all follow-up blasts. I don't think this requires much less than common sense, but that's just me.
what about having terrax using all his might and slamming his axe on either of their skulls...logan gets KOed but will recover in a day or two...gamora will no longer have a head
what about if savage hulk gets enraged and grabs their arms and pulls with all his strength...logan yawns...while gamora better start learning to eat with her feet
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Dip Wolverine into lava, Wolverine's flesh burns. Dip Gamora into lava, Gamora's hot and bothered. I don't think this is debateable at all.Hit Wolverine with point-blank Universal Weapon fullpower blast, Wolverine gets knocked out. Hit Gamora with point-blank Universal Weapon fullpower blast, she's flipping about and dodging all follow-up blasts. I don't think this requires much less than common sense, but that's just me.
Wolverine had a nuclear reactor vent onto him and was walking around on fire, burning so hot that the steel ladder he used melted at his touch.
A "full powered" Universal Weapon didn't even make Gamora bat an eyelid, like its not going to do shit to Wolverine. The heat of a star royal ****ed up Gamora, even with Phyla-Vell's add, (and like I said in my last post that is something that heat is largely inconsequential to most top tiers), at yet a "full powered" Universal Weapon blast didn't do anything. Clearly it isn't that powerful... or maybe Ronan was jobbing and was actually fight to the best of his abilities? Is that possible? As anyone suggest that? I don't know.
i like how ppl try to dismiss logan's Healing from the sun b/c he was with jean but they dont say anything about phela vell shielding her at 1st or them helping her at the end plus the fact there was an atmosphere which would limit the exposure of a solar flare while logan is actually in space..
the point is her Healing is not equal to his nor close by a long shot.
also her durability to heat has no bearing here just like logan's immunity and resistance has no bearing here.
most importantly i heard her godslayer is broken so no god slayer for this fight me thinks?
and even if she is still allowed to use it which i find questionable and be like me saying logan uses his muramas sword... i heard it broke on thanos skin so clearly not equal to adamantium since wolverine manage to plunge his claws into thanos just fine in the past..
if these blades lock in combat i see it shattering...
^ Jean Grey was there and kept him from disintegrating once she revived. Also, when his body starts reforming from being incinerated and he regains consciousness, they're already far away from the sun. Phylla shielded Gamora at first, then when she couldn't anymore, Gamora was still running around. Trying to equate the two through some red herring reliance on atmospheric buffering? That doesn't wash when you're dealing with a Dyson's Sphere.
Nobody's arguing about healing. Deflection.
It was apparently destroyed by Ronan also. She can apparently reform and manifest it at will. Which I know is all speculative since we've never seen it just materialize in her hands bef- oh... that's right. We have.
Lulz at Wolverine stabbing Thanos. Gamora's dagger in Infinity War didn't shatter. Why would Godslayer?
Originally posted by srankmissingninGamora has greater armed and unarmed combat skills. Hearty lol at Wolverine nailing Gamora with a sucker-shot when she was distracted by a naked Hulk. I'm happy to admit Gamora lost in a fair figght as long as you're not hypocritical and note that both Wonderman and USAgent curbstomped Wolverine in their fair fights with Wolverine during Infinity War as well. As it stands, I see you deflecting or coming up with some other nonsensical meandering to justify the blatant hypocrisy. And Gamora doesn't have to routinely defeat martial arts masters to be superior to Wolverine. Neither Mantis nor Moondragon do so regularly.
Gamora doesn't have greater combat skills in either unarmed and armed. Its hardly a mater of debate. The only person she has fought who has any definable martial skill is Wolverine... and... you know... he beat her. She hasn't defeated anyone with worth while ability. She can drop some unaware opponents with pressure points, it hardly makes her the queen of combat.No, you are thinking of the right instance, only Phoenix didn't do shit to help Wolverine. You seem to take her being there as some evidence that she was somehow intervening on Wolverine's part... but she wasn't. They only thing she did was fly them away from the sun, but her little ship didn't shield Wolverine from the heat of the sun... and she didn't even put out the flames, he was still on fire during the return flight.
Go argue with jinzin about whether Phoenix had anything to do with the zomgitsWolvieintehSun!!! feat. Frankly, I find it exasperating (but highly revealing) arguing with groups of posters who tend to fall over each other trying to prove the same overall conclusion, yet can't get their own side-points in line with each other:
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine and Jean Grey are aboard a space craft that was sent towards the sun by a Zorn; Wolverine stands there, his healing factor attempting to heal while being incinerated, talking while the Phoenix holds his form together
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Originally posted by srankmissingninThrow Hulk into the Sun, he dies. Put Sentry into the Sun, he starts disintegrating. Stop acting like Wolverine could do any better because he survives nukes. Nukes are so jobber, they can't even burn Wolverine's pants.
Nuclear blasts are hotter than the sun. Sentry and Hulk, like almost all top tiers would be relatively unaffected by the heat of the sun. Voids already taken the sun, and Hulks survived the core of planet Sakaar (which if is the same as the Earth's core is also hotter than the sun).Do you know how you knock out Wolverine? You knock him out by overloading his healing factor. Which isn't something Gamora is capable of doing. I know the only Wolverine feat you like to use is Wolverine vs. Ennis Punisher, but basing your opinion on lame ass examples of PIS isn't going to get you anywhere.
Overloading his healing factor is one way to knock out Wolverine. Another way to knock out Wolverine is to knock him out. If you want me to scanrape you with instances of Wolverine being knocked out that didn't involve Ennis or overloading his healing factor, I'm happy to do so. But frankly, your red herring and continual obsession over his healing factor holds no water.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThats how Wolverine fights. He is a melee fighter. He is going to come into melee to fight Gamora and she is going to blast him/toss him/nervestrike him/cut him to ribbons. He has been hit by slower, less skilled fighters than Gamora. Wolverine will get hit by Gamora, and he isn't durable enough, nor does his healing factor render him immune to getting knocked out by the damage Gamora dishes out and keep fighting.
Thats how Gamora fights. She is a melee fighter. She is going to come into melee to fight Wolverine and he is going to cut her to ribbons. She has been hit by slower, less skilled fighters than Wolverine. Gamora will get hit by Wolverine, and she isn't durable enough, nor does she heal fast to take the kind of damage Wolverine dishes out and keep fighting.Gamora's upgrades provided no boost to either her skill, speed or healing factor, so I'm not really seeing why you bring it up in the context of their fight. If Wolverine stabs her in the gut, the fights over. If he opens an artery the fights over. If he punctures a vital organ, the fights over. She can't compete with Wolverine. Her strength doesn't make up for the huge discrepancy in their healing factors, and Wolverine is a faster more skilled opponent.
And no one said Godslayer was a sword.
Wolverine's claws were supposed to easily end a fight with a grounded Thor. Not so much. Gamora's already shown the capacity to fight Wolverine evenly before her upgrades when she isn't distracted. So take the fantasies and dump em in the garbage.
It isn't just a dagger either.
Originally posted by srankmissingninGreat. Gamora's durability > Wolverine's.
Wolverine had a nuclear reactor vent onto him and was walking around on fire, burning so hot that the steel ladder he used melted at his touch.A "full powered" Universal Weapon didn't even make Gamora bat an eyelid, like its not going to do shit to Wolverine. The heat of a star royal ****ed up Gamora, even with Phyla-Vell's add, (and like I said in my last post that is something that heat is largely inconsequential to most top tiers), at yet a "full powered" Universal Weapon blast didn't do anything. Clearly it isn't that powerful... or maybe Ronan was jobbing and was actually fight to the best of his abilities? Is that possible? As anyone suggest that? I don't know.
Just because it didn't take Gamora down, doesn't mean Wolverine takes it just as easily. Seriously. Stop assuming your conclusion. Surface of star vs full-powered Universal Weapon blast. Sentry burns when he approaches the surface of the Sun. He can handle Cosmic Cubes effortlessly. Doesn't compute. Your prevarications over Gamora's superior durability doesn't compute.
Your ship be sinking. Plug up the holes lest you drown.
Originally posted by Wild Shadowthat scan was not the chi amping brick from manifest destiny that is just a trans dimensional giant from another world showing logan has bn doing nerve blows for yrs off and on.. the beings were on average hell above humans each with their own ability.. strength.. shadow teleportation, morphing etc etc..
here is ur chi amping brick
Im sorry you do realise you have nothing right? What feats do these guys have? How strong are they, are they bullet proof?
As far as I know those guys don't even have any durability feats, in one of those examples Wolverine uses as weapon. Gamora has Koed and hurt established bricks.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gamora has greater armed and unarmed combat skills. Hearty lol at Wolverine nailing Gamora with a sucker-shot when she was distracted by a naked Hulk. I'm happy to admit Gamora lost in a fair figght as long as you're not hypocritical and note that both Wonderman and USAgent curbstomped Wolverine in their fair fights with Wolverine during Infinity War as well. As it stands, I see you deflecting or coming up with some other nonsensical meandering to justify the blatant hypocrisy. And Gamora doesn't have to routinely defeat martial arts masters to be superior to Wolverine. Neither Mantis nor Moondragon do so regularly.Go argue with jinzin about whether Phoenix had anything to do with the zomgitsWolvieintehSun!!! feat. Frankly, I find it exasperating (but highly revealing) arguing with groups of posters who tend to fall over each other trying to prove the same overall conclusion, yet can't get their own side-points in line with each other: Throw Hulk into the Sun, he dies. Put Sentry into the Sun, he starts disintegrating. Stop acting like Wolverine could do any better because he survives nukes. Nukes are so jobber, they can't even burn Wolverine's pants.
Overloading his healing factor is one way to knock out Wolverine. Another way to knock out Wolverine is to knock him out. If you want me to scanrape you with instances of Wolverine being knocked out that didn't involve Ennis or overloading his healing factor, I'm happy to do so. But frankly, your red herring and continual obsession over his healing factor holds no water. Thats how Wolverine fights. He is a melee fighter. He is going to come into melee to fight Gamora and she is going to blast him/toss him/nervestrike him/cut him to ribbons. He has been hit by slower, less skilled fighters than Gamora. Wolverine will get hit by Gamora, and he isn't durable enough, nor does his healing factor render him immune to getting knocked out by the damage Gamora dishes out and keep fighting.
Wolverine's claws were supposed to easily end a fight with a grounded Thor. Not so much. Gamora's already shown the capacity to fight Wolverine evenly before her upgrades when she isn't distracted. So take the fantasies and dump em in the garbage.
It isn't just a dagger either. Great. Gamora's durability > Wolverine's.
Just because it didn't take Gamora down, doesn't mean Wolverine takes it just as easily. Seriously. Stop assuming your conclusion. Surface of star vs full-powered Universal Weapon blast. Sentry burns when he approaches the surface of the Sun. He can handle Cosmic Cubes effortlessly. Doesn't compute. Your prevarications over Gamora's superior durability doesn't compute.
Your ship be sinking. Plug up the holes lest you drown.
Wait wait wait... are they claiming the only way Wolverine is KO'd is when his healing factor is overloaded? This is a joke right? He's been KO'd so many times it's not even funny, and most haven't been because of his healing factor being overloaded.... I say you post the scans...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait wait wait... are they claiming the only way Wolverine is KO'd is when his healing factor is overloaded? This is a joke right? He's been KO'd so many times it's not even funny, and most haven't been because of his healing factor being overloaded.... I say you post the scans...
And I say if it comes down to a scanathon about what it takes to put wolverine down your ridiculous assertions that Wolverine can simply be KOed and easily are about to be overshadowed by pure fact in the amount of... Hundreds.... I'm not even kidding. 😐
^ KO's/incapacitation don't come easy. But overloading his healing factor isn't a prerequisite. At all. Wolverine's been taken down hundreds of times which don't involve plot device powers or the overloading of his healing factor.
KO's/incapacitation don't come easy. But they're not beyond a range that makes it unfathomable for someone lke Gamora to achieve. Quite literally the opposite.
