Kain vs little Gauntlet

Originally posted by Burning thought
But shes not Shiek in your vid, shes Zelda....so shes obviously been Zelda for a while.

I understand now. You didn't watch the whole video; just the part I pointed out. About 10 seconds before that point, Shiek transformed into Zelda.

If Ganon really can cast spells from miles away (their not going to be starting miles away) then no, I dont think Kain can see that far forwards although he can speak to Raziel without being present, the same way Ganon can speak to them so I am not 100% sure. Not that the scene is clear enough to know how far and how quickly Ganon can cast. The whole point of the shield is to reflect spells, simple fact. No I mean a huge region sized bubble warped everything inside it, similiar (if not superior) to how the full trueforce changed the golden land. It transformed animals, made the sky rain tears of fire, messed up vegetation etc and would expand to take the whole world, Kain was unharmed.

Okay, we've now established that Kain shouldn't be able to follow Ganondorf. Ganondorf is able to cast the spells quickly. We've seen this. Kain won't be able to see Ganondorf casting, either, so it shouldn't matter much.

Yes, that is what magic shields tend to do. I meant, of course, that knowing how strong that shield is would be nice. No-limits-fallacies are particularly useless.

This region you're talking about, did it transform others as soon as they entered it? I don't think it matters, anyway. According to that vid I posted earlier, the Sacred Realm transforming happened as soon as Ganondorf entered it. As a passive effect, apparently.

I am dodging it because its a strange question, anyone can fight multiple opponents and following one character who has just disapeared is kinda the first thing Kains going to do especially since its the most dangerous one. Also can you show me how fast Ganon teleports for the record? Kains fast when he attacks in Dimention teleport and in the moebius cutscene.

It's more difficult than people think, reacting to 3 different threats, one of which he can't actually see. If he tries to attack one, at least one other will attack him, as well, in addition to the first one fighting back.
The example for teleporting can be found when Ganondorf teleports Zelda, since I don't feel like finding another. Might be a few in TP, around Puppet Zelda.

Well his target iirc is not omnicient and she didnt know he was there. KMC fights start with all charatcers knowing what their supposed ot be fighting.

But it seems she wasn't even able to fight back, or didn't attempt to.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I understand now. You didn't watch the whole video; just the part I pointed out. About 10 seconds before that point, Shiek transformed into Zelda.

Okay, we've now established that Kain shouldn't be able to follow Ganondorf. Ganondorf is able to cast the spells quickly. We've seen this. Kain won't be able to see Ganondorf casting, either, so it shouldn't matter much.

Yes, that is what magic shields tend to do. I meant, of course, that knowing how strong that shield is would be nice. No-limits-fallacies are particularly useless.

This region you're talking about, did it transform others as soon as they entered it? I don't think it matters, anyway. According to that vid I posted earlier, the Sacred Realm transforming happened as soon as Ganondorf entered it. As a passive effect, apparently.

It's more difficult than people think, reacting to 3 different threats, one of which he can't actually see. If he tries to attack one, at least one other will attack him, as well, in addition to the first one fighting back.
The example for teleporting can be found when Ganondorf teleports Zelda, since I don't feel like finding another. Might be a few in TP, around Puppet Zelda.

But it seems she wasn't even able to fight back, or didn't attempt to.

Indeed, ok so the spell could have lasted at most 10 seconds cast time.

The shield reflects spells ,not absorbs them hence why it doesnt actually take damage. The shields limit is 15 seconds duration.

Yes it was an expanding field, everything under it from foliage, to weather to creatures were warped. Kain>trueforce>triforce of power magic using Screampasrtes logic.

Kains reaction is 0.2, theirs is at about 0.7 until they actually react to something faster than 0.7 so he should be able to easily see 3 guys, notice one is teleporting and then look for him. He wouldnt have to worry about Kratos or Demitri in his search and Ganon also loses his target every time Kain teleports.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain can do two of those things, all of them in this fight since ive given him the powers of his sons. only Kain can see invisible/intangible beings through dimensions so its not going to help Ganon.

Seeing into the spirit world and seeing into another dimension are two entirely different things.

Trueforce>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kain.

Not really in this case, considering EG is multidmentional. He exists in the spectoral realm and physical at the same time. Yet at the same time hes invisible nad intangible in both unless he wants to be seen. kain however can see him without even being in spectorla so he must have some extra sensory powers. Either way unless Ganons in another dimension theres no way intangbility or invisblity are going to help.

Also one could argue that the spirit world is like another closely related dimension layered on top of the material dimension but meh.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not really in this case, considering EG is multidmentional. He exists in the spectoral realm and physical at the same time. Yet at the same time hes invisible nad intangible in both unless he wants to be seen. kain however can see him without even being in spectorla so he must have some extra sensory powers. Either way unless Ganons in another dimension theres no way intangbility or invisblity are going to help.

Also one could argue that the spirit world is like another closely related dimension layered on top of the material dimension but meh.

Fortunately, Ganon isn't relying on invisibility or intangibility to not be seen. He is using good old fashion distance here.

Distance which would be redundant once Kain also teleports.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Indeed, ok so the spell could have lasted at most 10 seconds cast time.

Or that's simply how long it took to find her. After he begins talking, he throws out spells pretty quickly.

The shield reflects spells ,not absorbs them hence why it doesnt actually take damage. The shields limit is 15 seconds duration.

Which still won't be much help if we don't know how strong it is or how strong a spell it can take. (I was attempting to subtly ask for feats.)

Yes it was an expanding field, everything under it from foliage, to weather to creatures were warped. Kain>trueforce>triforce of power magic using Screampasrtes logic.

But as I recall, the Trueforce didn't actually do that one. Ganondorf setting foot in the Sacred Realm corrupted it.

Kains reaction is 0.2, theirs is at about 0.7 until they actually react to something faster than 0.7 so he should be able to easily see 3 guys, notice one is teleporting and then look for him. He wouldnt have to worry about Kratos or Demitri in his search and Ganon also loses his target every time Kain teleports.

Even if he can move that fast, it's still difficult to fight multiple relatively strong opponents. He'd have to track Demitri's teleporting, too. I don't know about Kratos, but I'm pretty sure can do some damage, and didn't he catch Hermes or something? Kain would be dealing with them while Ganondorf teleports away and spellsnipes. It wouldn't be difficult for Ganondorf to find Kain again, since he knows his general location.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Or that's simply how long it took to find her. After he begins talking, he throws out spells pretty quickly.

Which still won't be much help if we don't know how strong it is or how strong a spell it can take. (I was attempting to subtly ask for feats.)

But as I recall, the Trueforce didn't actually do that one. Ganondorf setting foot in the Sacred Realm corrupted it.

Even if he can move that fast, it's still difficult to fight multiple relatively strong opponents. He'd have to track Demitri's teleporting, too. I don't know about Kratos, but I'm pretty sure can do some damage, and didn't he catch Hermes or something? Kain would be dealing with them while Ganondorf teleports away and spellsnipes. It wouldn't be difficult for Ganondorf to find Kain again, since he knows his general location.

Worse, every time kain teleports Ganon takes 10 seconds to find him again.

it doesnt have feats, it just reflects spells. And its not "taking" anything is it, its reflecting it so its not "taking" a spell and whats so strong about this attack anyway? its not powerful at all and the repel shield is made to stop more powerful sorcerors than Ganondorf in LoK. It just doesnt have a cutscene for it.

Wiki says it was because he touched the triforce and wished to rule the world, hence the golden land transformed. Is this wrong?

Its not hard because one of them is a slug who wont even land a hit or get close and the other can teleport but for the same reason Kains going to "likely" take some time to find Ganondorf Demitri will not find Kain. He didnt really catch Hermes, he

Spoiler:
Fired a catapult at him, while he was standing still and in a bad position, then latched onto it as he fired it. He effectively wounded Hermes enough to fight him

General location could be all over the place, and Kain would be doing it continually until Ganondorf is found.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Distance which would be redundant once Kain also teleports.

Based on what?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Based on what?

😐 You're killin' me, Smalls.

Ganondorf has at the very least remote vision.

I want to see proof of him being able to track long range, out of sight entities who teleport one place to another.

Meet Zelda/Sheik. 👆

I want to see it. Apprently she only just turned Zelda in 10 seconds according to Scenario. So no, she didnt teleport to confuse him or anything of the sort.

Ganondorf can track Link throughout Hyrule and speak to him from miles away.

But Link cant teleport. If Ganon was watching Kain and Kain teleported, he wouldnt know where to look.

1. Link can teleport. Farore's Wind or Ocarina of Time.

2. Sheik can teleport. No item necessary.

Originally posted by Burning thought
But Link cant teleport. If Ganon was watching Kain and Kain teleported, he wouldnt know where to look.

Zelda too.

Edit: ****, was I just sniped by someone on a WII?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yeah, he can. 😐 Warp songs/Farore's wind.

Zelda too.

Edit: ****, was I just sniped by someone on a WII?

😄

edit: I'm waiting for mah sis to get off the PC.