Kain vs Team

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Actually I'm saying he used the magical force to rip a hole open in the physical object. Where as you are saying he crossed his arms and nodded, and poof, there was a hole which he magically teleports the blood through even though it's technically not a hole in the body.

Eh what the hell, I've come this far already. So what is it that makes the three inferior to Kain? Is it greater speed? Greater strength and durability? Or perhaps the insane regeneration ability?

Dark Khan is a combination of Shao Khan and Darkseid. So, yeah, he has the powers of Darkseid.

Any magical type of energy sent at Fury is absorbed with Bishop's abilities, and he should be able to do that with the energy from physical blows as well. A-Bomb's strength is plenty to harm Kain with a punch. Justice's TK is cool to have. Electricity for fast movement is neat. If I recall, Grim Reaper's scythe can sap health and add it to him, too. So that's pretty cool. Between all of these abilities, Fury should have the thing you enjoy Kain for, options.

What "magical force"? theres no forces at all, acting on the body. Theres no physical force either. Its magic creating a magic effect that just so happens to open holes in the body, or at least pull blood through the weakest areas. Even if its through the eyelids, nose, mouth. Also this is all irrelevant, the very blood pouring throughout your system and trying to get to Kain would kill you even if it couldnt get out.

Being a combination of two people does not mean you have all the powers of both. Its a completly different character, has it ever used Omega beams and Darksieds other overpowered crap in its game?

Not sure, if he can absorb all magic and has feats to support taking all magic then Kains options will be limited to physical blows and mind control. Whats his mind like?

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]What "magical force"? theres no forces at all, acting on the body. Theres no physical force either. Its magic creating a magic effect that just so happens to open holes in the body, or at least pull blood through the weakest areas. Even if its through the eyelids, nose, mouth. Also this is all irrelevant, the very blood pouring throughout your system and trying to get to Kain would kill you even if it couldnt get out.

Magic can't do anything if it isn't exerting a force of some kind. You basically just said that there's no forces acting on the blood. Even if it's magic, it can't open a hole without doing something to the material it is putting the hole in. "Pulling" the blood is in fact a kind of force, as well.

The move has still never worked on anything with durability, so it's still pretty much moot.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Magic can't do anything if it isn't exerting a force of some kind. You basically just said that there's no forces acting on the blood. Even if it's magic, it can't open a hole without doing something to the material it is putting the hole in. "Pulling" the blood is in fact a kind of force, as well.

The move has still never worked on anything with durability, so it's still pretty much moot.

Its causing a magical effect, nothing of physical force is mentioned. Your talking of magic as if its a real and physically possible force like gravity or magnetism.

Durability is moot, as its never mentioned to do with the spell. And do you know what else? even using your flawed assumptions, Kain actually gaining the blood is also moot, it still kills all his opponents as they all go into instand seizures or death from all their blood spraying through their system.

Kratos and Dante whimper in agony a split second as they die from blood seizures.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kratos and Dante whimper in agony a split second as they die from blood seizures.

Out of all the people in this round, Kain the only one who has begged not to be attacked 😐 And to go by your method, Dante will kill Kain before he has time to do anything.
Its true that the move hasn't worked on anything with durability.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Out of all the people in this round, Kain the only one who has begged not to be attacked 😐 And to go by your method, Dante will kill Kain before he has time to do anything.
Its true that the move hasn't worked on anything with durability.

lol not a chance, Kains fast enough to make so much distance between them that its hopeless and then just gestures, tossing Dante away with Tk and strangling him to death. Then Kain sits and waits for Mercer and Kratos to finally make their way to him.

Yeh, its not worked on anyone wearing a red coat like Dante either, or a half devil, its not worked on a wild animal either as Kain fights none in canon.

The set of the View isn't large enough for Kain to run from Kratos forever, either.

How big is it? and its more than large enough if its a room. Kratos will tire himself out running around for hours as kain just keeps teleporting for lulz.

There's a bit of a problem when it comes to range. There are also two other people to contend with. Escaping is not an option.

Also, Kain's teleport is slow, takes a moment to innitiate.

Dante can use Yamato to attack from dozens maybe hundreds of meters away. Assuming he has it in this fight of course.

Same with Mercer.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
There's a bit of a problem when it comes to range. There are also two other people to contend with. Escaping is not an option.

No, one other person. Dante is being strangled through TK. They would have to make sure at least one of them is each in a seperate part in the room, in the hope they can catch Kain before he teleports. Consdiering however he can teleport 5+ times in a few seconds, its not going to help them.

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Dante can use Yamato to attack from dozens maybe hundreds of meters away. Assuming he has it in this fight of course.

Same with Mercer.

Its not going to help him if hes Tked and it creates waves of force, predictable.

Whats mercer used? hes only got spikes and devastator moves with good range iirc

So when Kain teleports, the TK is released. 😐

You don't seem to be making any progress.

Mercer uses the whipfist that can travel quite a distance.

Yamato projects waves of force with massive AoE. They can also be spammed IIRC.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So when Kain teleports, the TK is released. 😐

You don't seem to be making any progress.

Well maybe Kain can just make a happy game of holding Dante with Tk shackles, then strangling him as he waits for Mercer and Kratos to get to him. Then he just teleports again.

Ofc, he could jsut Mind control one of them and have them slash the other to bits. Mercer gets turned to stone, Kratos gets beheaded by Dante who then impales himself. Wopp!

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Mercer uses the whipfist that can travel quite a distance.

Yamato projects waves of force with massive AoE. They can also be spammed IIRC.

I thought you would think of the whip fist, its not that far reaching and to reach much distance at all he would need. Besides its using for grabbing things like a tentacle, not killing, its not going to bother Kain.

But its predictable. If Kain teleported, he would avoid it. And doing this in a small space could end up killing his teammates.

Underwater sections of DMC1 and DMC2 indicate that Dante doesn't require oxygen to survive, dunno if strangling him will work.

Also Dante impaling himself, I hope you mean this will incapcitate him because it won't kill him

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Underwater sections of DMC1 and DMC2 indicate that Dante doesn't require oxygen to survive, dunno if strangling him will work.

Also Dante impaling himself, I hope you mean this will incapcitate him because it won't kill him

Possibly.

Well sure, that was just an example. He will die if he cuts off his own head, or Devil triggers and blasts himself with his own magic.

Pretty sure Mercer and Kratos can survive the building busters Dante dishes out.

I'm not sure Kain can react to it in time, its predictable sure. But it covers a distance in such a short time.

Meh

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Pretty sure Mercer and Kratos can survive the building busters Dante dishes out.

I'm not sure Kain can react to it in time, its predictable sure. But it covers a distance in such a short time.

Meh

Mercer? not likely. Kratos? yeh.

His reaction time is under 0.2 of a second, he can react to anything in this first round. Then he just has to teleport as Dante reaches for Yamato. Although tbh, Kain can still just grab him by the throat or arms to stop him from doing anything.

Kain can't even get his hands on Dante, who is stronger than Kain. 😐