Originally posted by Burning thought
Well maybe Kain can just make a happy game of holding Dante with Tk shackles, then strangling him as he waits for Mercer and Kratos to get to him. Then he just teleports again.Ofc, he could jsut Mind control one of them and have them slash the other to bits. Mercer gets turned to stone, Kratos gets beheaded by Dante who then impales himself. Wopp!
Whipfist. Apollo's Bow. Kain also has to see these attacks coming in order to avoid them. Dante has a couple guns as well, I believe. Mind controlling would take time, of that I am certain.
So yeah, still not really getting anywhere.
Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Dante is stronger than Kain IMO. DMC4 feats solidify that.ScreamPaste is right, Dante is several mach faster than Kain. He'll need luck
I dont remember Dante moving faster than the speed of sound, when did he do this?
And hes not going to be doing it when Kain makes a slight gesture with his hand, heaving Dante into the air and holding him by the neck force choke ala Darth vader 😛
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Dante's stronger based on stopping Saviour's fist.Even if the Saviour was slowly halting, as was seen near the end, it's many times better than any of Kain's feats of strength. Dante's also so much faster than Kain it's hilarious.
The Saviour froze, he didnt just stop it.
So much faster? based on what, random moves? weve seen that speed does not help Dante much in a real fight, as Vergil shows us by stomping Dante.
Kain would have surprise on his side, and could appear at a moment Dante will never see him coming from.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Whipfist. Apollo's Bow. Kain also has to see these attacks coming in order to avoid them. Dante has a couple guns as well, I believe. Mind controlling would take time, of that I am certain.So yeah, still not really getting anywhere.
Whipfist does little, Apollos bow is weak and featless. Kain can take bullets, they have tiny PSi compared to what Kain can take, Dante would need to use spiral to have any affect and Kain can dodge aim with ease.
Mind contrlling takes a second or so. Kain seems to just put his hands by his head. Inspire hate can be quicker and affects all of them, they will kill eachother as he sits back and relaxes.
Originally posted by Burning thought
lol not a chance, Kains fast enough to make so much distance between them that its hopeless and then just gestures, tossing Dante away with Tk and strangling him to death. Then Kain sits and waits for Mercer and Kratos to finally make their way to him.Yeh, its not worked on anyone wearing a red coat like Dante either, or a half devil, its not worked on a wild animal either as Kain fights none in canon.
>_> well he did beg.. and Kain uses gestures to do his powers, not working against the speed demon.
O.O I KNEW IT!! Animals own Kain lol, but on the stronger then normal humans part? Where do the powers get?
Oh yes. Kains reactions > Dantes. Kains speed > Dantes. Not much he can do to catch him really.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The Saviour froze, he didnt just stop it.So much faster? based on what, random moves? weve seen that speed does not help Dante much in a real fight, as Vergil shows us by stomping Dante.
Kain would have surprise on his side, and could appear at a moment Dante will never see him coming from.
Yeah, no.
Based on evolution giving us eyes to see the clips. Kains got nothing.
Originally posted by BloodRain
>_> well he did beg.. and Kain uses gestures to do his powers, not working against the speed demon.O.O I KNEW IT!! Animals own Kain lol, but on the stronger then normal humans part? Where do the powers get?
Oh yes. Kains reactions > Dantes. Kains speed > Dantes. Not much he can do to catch him really.
Yes it is, hes too quick. One gesture in less than 0.2 and Dante is floating in the air, gasping for breath or wishing he could do something to help Kratos and Mercer getting ripped apart.
And Dantes coat, Dante just being half demon and wearing a coat could perhaps make him immune to bloodshower.
lol, your right, Kains reactions> Dante, but I disagree, Dantes faster than Kain.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah, no.Based on evolution giving us eyes to see the clips. Kains got nothing.
Yep, Saviour froze and Dante didnt stop it.
Yep, and I can see Dante completly owned in actual combat by slower attacks. Speedy weak attacks were useless.
kain restrains Dante with Tk then impales him through the back and takes his soul. in 0.2 seconds, as dantes brain percieves Kain at 0.5 as a blur sword in his chest. unfortunatley, Kains sword eats souls, Vergils did not....goodbye Dante.
Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Dante outran a bullet in 3 or 4 IIRC don't remember. And him speedblitzing a high level demon in 2 to the point the demon couldn't track him.Saviour was still dead weight.
Also on the topic of blood shower, Dante has lost more blood than a bloodbank has and regenerated.
I dont remember that either, outrunning a bullet? hmm...
He wasnt, we can see in the same clip that Saviour was propped up, if youve seen the clip you will remember that Saviours other arm was also held in the air.
Hes lost more blood? when?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Whipfist does little, Apollos bow is weak and featless. Kain can take bullets, they have tiny PSi compared to what Kain can take, Dante would need to use spiral to have any affect and Kain can dodge aim with ease.Mind contrlling takes a second or so. Kain seems to just put his hands by his head. Inspire hate can be quicker and affects all of them, they will kill eachother as he sits back and relaxes.
Based on what durability feats? Apollo's Bow works with Kratos' strength. Feat less, perhaps. Weak? Not a chance. And this bullet taking is new, what's it based on? I do not recall Kain having the speed to dodge something as fast as Dante would be.
A second or so is all that's needed for Kain to be struck. 😐 And has this mind control worked on anything better than a human?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes it is, hes too quick. One gesture in less than 0.2 and Dante is floating in the air, gasping for breath or wishing he could do something to help Kratos and Mercer getting ripped apart.And Dantes coat, Dante just being half demon and wearing a coat could perhaps make him immune to bloodshower.
lol, your right, Kains reactions> Dante, but I disagree, Dantes faster than Kain.
Arm gesture, slow. 0.2 for Dante, slow.
''but on the stronger then normal humans part? Where do the powers get?''
Proof?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yep, Saviour froze and Dante didnt stop it.Yep, and I can see Dante completly owned in actual combat by slower attacks. Speedy weak attacks were useless.
kain restrains Dante with Tk then impales him through the back and takes his soul. in 0.2 seconds, as dantes brain percieves Kain at 0.5 as a blur sword in his chest. unfortunatley, Kains sword eats souls, Vergils did not....goodbye Dante.
Proof? And 100% certain proof or nothing.
Dantes weakest moment>Kains weakest moment (weakest version Dante, strongest version Kain) nothing he has is fast enough, and hold on... Dante reacts in 0.5 seconds....... 😐 ....
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Based on what durability feats? Apollo's Bow works with Kratos' strength. Feat less, perhaps. Weak? Not a chance. And this bullet taking is new, what's it based on? I do not recall Kain having the speed to dodge something as fast as Dante would be.A second or so is all that's needed for Kain to be struck. 😐 And has this mind control worked on anything better than a human?
Raziels strikes. So? its still weak and wont do much, whats a couple of arrows? nothing....Kain can react at 0.2, he can predict Dantes attacks even if hes not fast enough to take on the full speed.
No its not. Has anyone here got better mental resistance or technique to stop a mind rape? (I know this, but please tell me).
Originally posted by Son of Sparda
**** taking bulletsPandora should suffice
Which one? Pandora missles is fairly slow, Pandora laser takes time to charge etc, hes better off using his sword.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Arm gesture, slow. 0.2 for Dante, slow.''but on the stronger then normal humans part? Where do the powers get?''
Proof?
Proof? And 100% certain proof or nothing.
Dantes weakest moment>Kains weakest moment (weakest version Dante, strongest version Kain) nothing he has is fast enough, and hold on... Dante reacts in 0.5 seconds....... 😐 ....
Not really, Dantes at 0.5 remember? hes only been able to predict, hes never reacted on the fly to something the size of Kain, not with his whole body either. One gesture and Dantes done.
Not sure what you mean, these characters here have no more resistence for their blood or souls than humans.
The argument is to do with Dante, not Kain. Dante is defeated by a far more skilled vergil using a slower attack. Dante could od nothing but grab the blade, too late, Dantes dead.
Erm, the fact we see Saviour frozen as a statue?
Dante can go blow to blow with Virgil, who can scoop bullets out of the air, catch a bullet with his teeth and perform multiple attacks so fast they're invisible and create a bubble of air around himself, completely stopping all rain from entering. He shoots Kain in the face 0.003 seconds into the match.
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Edit: Saying his reactions suck it moronic. His duel with Virgil showed him exchanging blows faster than Kain could imagine.
lol Pandora missiles are not slow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hn_eE50M3w
Those toads are frozen in midair while the missiles travel too them. There also frozen in midair while Dante prepares. SHows how fast he is
Originally posted by Burning thought
Not really, Dantes at 0.5 remember? hes only been able to predict, hes never reacted on the fly to something the size of Kain, not with his whole body either. One gesture and Dantes done.Not sure what you mean, these characters here have no more resistence for their blood or souls than humans.
The argument is to do with Dante, not Kain. Dante is defeated by a far more skilled vergil using a slower attack. Dante could od nothing but grab the blade, too late, Dantes dead.
Erm, the fact we see Saviour frozen as a statue?
No humans are apparently 0.5. For reactions: Sword fight with Virgil that was so fast the world looked like it stopped. To do anything at that speed required reactions faster a measly 0.5.... 😐 Even 0.2 is embarrassing for him.
So, nothing on stronger foes?
You can try as much as you like, but Dantes reactions and speed will never be under Kains. Nothing you can say will say otherwise.
No 100% proof? Hm.
Originally posted by Son of Sparda
lol Pandora missiles are not slowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hn_eE50M3w
Those toads are frozen in midair while the missiles travel too them. There also frozen in midair while Dante prepares. SHows how fast he is
Dantes got to get out a little box, choose the power and open the box...thats a long time for Kain. Those toad demons are not even attacking him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dante can go blow to blow with Virgil, who can scoop bullets out of the air, catch a bullet with his teeth and perform multiple attacks so fast they're invisible and create a bubble of air around himself, completely stopping all rain from entering. He shoots Kain in the face 0.003 seconds into the match.end thread.
No he cant, he got overpowered by a slower Vergil attack, the only time he goes blow to blow is when Vergils just swinging, same for Dante. Ther using weak blows as well at that point. Dantes not reacting either, hes just predicting the stance and swinging blows at an enemy doing the same moves over and over, this is proven when Vergil uses slower but more random attacks to completly defeat Dante with ease.
Originally posted by BloodRain
No humans are apparently 0.5. For reactions: Sword fight with Virgil that was so fast the world looked like it stopped. To do anything at that speed required reactions faster a measly 0.5.... 😐 Even 0.2 is embarrassing for him.So, nothing on stronger foes?
You can try as much as you like, but Dantes reactions and speed will [b]never
be under Kains. Nothing you can say will say otherwise.No 100% proof? Hm. [/B]
Youve yet to prove hes actually thinking about each strike, he can see his opponent before the match and he is in full view consistently. Only to be beaten by a slower attack. Its obvious they were just blind, weak slashes. Their not even making heat from friction, considering their moving quick they should be.
Nope, if someone had some nice mental resistance or soul resistance they should be able to resist. Same with time resistance.
Thats just blind then isnt it, "nothing I can say", despite evidence showing he is beaten by slower attacks and no feats to suggest otherwise.
Yeh, him being frozen is pretty good proof for Dante not being the one who stops him.