Kain vs Team

Originally posted by Burning thought
Raziels strikes. So? its still weak and wont do much, whats a couple of arrows? nothing....Kain can react at 0.2, he can predict Dantes attacks even if hes not fast enough to take on the full speed.

No its not. Has anyone here got better mental resistance or technique to stop a mind rape? (I know this, but please tell me).

I was pretty sure Mercer was stronger than Raziel or Kain. It's actually pretty impossible for that bow to be weak. React at .2 my ass. Even saying he can, he still has to activate his teleport before he gets shot. That'll take a while.

Beats me. I was just wondering.

Alex Mercer has thousands of minds in his body by the end of prototype and he can still retain a sense of himself

decent mental resistance.

Those toads tried to attack him, he just curbed them and Kain will probably be frozen too from Dante's perspective

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I was pretty sure Mercer was stronger than Raziel or Kain. It's actually pretty impossible for that bow to be weak. React at .2 my ass. Even saying he can, he still has to activate his teleport before he gets shot. That'll take a while.

Beats me. I was just wondering.

Possibly, not by much and Raziel uses PSI on kain on the edge of a blade, which multiplies it considerably. Why? the teleport takes around 0.8, 0.3 seconds longer than it takes a human to react to stimulas in the brain and react to a stationary object. Kain can just move out of the way of the "aim", instead of having to take the bullet. Dante will be shooting air. Also if Dantes fireing his gun, hes an idiot, he is far more powerful in melee.

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Alex Mercer has thousands of minds in his body by the end of prototype and he can still retain a sense of himself

decent mental resistance.

Those toads tried to attack him, he just curbed them and Kain will probably be frozen too from Dante's perspective

Thats not resistence, just stability. Although you bring up a good point, Kain will prob find it hard if not impossible to Mind control a virus, but inspire hate is fair game.

Frozen? their just jumping about, long before Dante even pulls out a weapon.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Different resistances. Nothing on stronger characters.

Like evidence shows Kain getting hit by an attack by such a slow attack? DMC3 Dante, before his powers kicked in, weakened by a fight he couldnt win etc Evidence is against you, his fastest is faster them anything Kain can do. Much faster.

No. Already proven. Dante stopped the Saviors punch, Raziel can lift a 45 ton block slowly...

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I was pretty sure Mercer was stronger than Raziel or Kain. It's actually pretty impossible for that bow to be weak.

'Frozen? their just jumping about, long before Dante even pulls out a weapon.''
Nah they were knocked into the air then Dante did an array of attacks.

No he cant, he got overpowered by a slower Vergil attack, the only time he goes blow to blow is when Vergils just swinging, same for Dante. Ther using weak blows as well at that point. Dantes not reacting either, hes just predicting the stance and swinging blows at an enemy doing the same moves over and over, this is proven when Vergil uses slower but more random attacks to completly defeat Dante with ease.

You clearly know nothing about swordfighting. You can't 'predict the stance' and not get slashed to bits. Dante was blocking multiple attacks faster than the human eye can follow. As I said earlier, Dante was staggered and so had to make sure he could even stand upright, allowing Vergil to capitalise and stab him, that doesn't diminish his abilities at all.

Originally posted by BloodRain
[B]Prove he things of attacking? Ok, he thinks then attacks like anything else would. No, they wernt blind slashes. Foolish to stand by this.

Different resistances. Nothing on stronger characters.

Like evidence shows Kain getting hit by an attack by such a slow attack? DMC3 Dante, before his powers kicked in, weakened by a fight he couldnt win etc Evidence is against you, his fastest is faster them anything Kain can do. Much faster.

No. Already proven. Dante stopped the Saviors punch, Raziel can lift a 45 ton block slowly...

Your foolish to ignore it, their just swinging at eachother. Theres no skill shown until they get serious and Dante gets trodden all over.

Resistances required.

No evidence is with me, Dante is beaten, his speed was uselessin canon and both brothers slow down when they get more serious. As it will be here. Show me "his fastest" and being fastest does not give him higher reaction time btw. Certainly not to Kain teleporting behind him, out of thin air. Dante will have to be VERY LUCKY assuming Kain doesnt just TK him.

Slowly? never proven, he pushes it with ease and sends it flying quickly along the ground in the same vid. Theres no "slow" about it apart from the fact hes actually lifting something, Dantes just taking a blow, a lot of it on his sword no less. And Saviour froze as well, so its not even stopping it. It just so happened, lucky for Dante Nero had destroyed Saviour by then which froze it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Possibly, not by much and Raziel uses PSI on kain on the edge of a blade, which multiplies it considerably. Why? the teleport takes around 0.8, 0.3 seconds longer than it takes a human to react to stimulas in the brain and react to a stationary object. Kain can just move out of the way of the "aim", instead of having to take the bullet. Dante will be shooting air. Also if Dantes fireing his gun, hes an idiot, he is far more powerful in melee.

Mercer does have a blade arm. Because the bow works off of Kratos' strength. Add that to your supposed .2 and too much time has passed for Kain to survive.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You clearly know nothing about swordfighting. You can't 'predict the stance' and not get slashed to bits. Dante was blocking multiple attacks faster than the human eye can follow. As I said earlier, Dante was staggered and so had to make sure he could even stand upright, allowing Vergil to capitalise and stab him, that doesn't diminish his abilities at all.

Yes you can, you can predict how someone is going to attack you by their stance. Dantes not blocking hits then and there, hence why when they slowed down and Dante was distracted he was beaten by a slow attack, his reaction time is not fast enough.

Hence why its obvious he was blocking based on prediction, his opponent was just swinging attacks and Dante was swinging back. Their both in full view of eachother, as soon as Vergil mixes things up, Dante finds it hard to keep up. He even looks like hes slowing down when he shoots at vergil who just picks the bullets up and sends them back.

Staggered? they both were doing the same moves, Dante was disarmed and he was too slow to stop a slow attack. The attack certainly wasnt at 0.2 and was obvious.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Mercer does have a blade arm. Because the bow works off of Kratos' strength. Add that to your supposed .2 and too much time has passed for Kain to survive.

He does. 0.2 is the whole move. And survive? as I said he can tank magnum bullets fired from a rifle, Dantes little guns and Kratos' arrows are doing nothing, oh and vampires heal from wounds as soon as the wound is made. They need to actually keep their weapons in him to make sure the damage is permanent. Ofc he would just mist so they cant really keep him down anyway, their at a disadvantage even if they cought up with his teleporting and higher reaction times.

Yes you can, you can predict how someone is going to attack you by their stance. Dantes not blocking hits then and there, hence why when they slowed down and Dante was distracted he was beaten by a slow attack, his reaction time is not fast enough.

Hence why its obvious he was blocking based on prediction, his opponent was just swinging attacks and Dante was swinging back. Their both in full view of eachother, as soon as Vergil mixes things up, Dante finds it hard to keep up. He even looks like hes slowing down when he shoots at vergil who just picks the bullets up and sends them back.

No you can't. If you just randomly swing in a fight, you can't block and someone gets killed. You have no proof that they we're just doing so anyway. Dante has proven he can react at that speed by catching a bullet with his teeth, which would require him to react at the exact moment the bullets is between his teeth.

Unless your claiming Dante can think fast enough to see Virgils stance, predict what his next move will be, and attack there, you have no argument. Btw, it would be impossible to do this anyway, since the attacks encapsulated a 180 degree angle, you can't predict how every attack will happen in a 180 degree angle all around your body.

Staggered? they both were doing the same moves, Dante was disarmed and he was too slow to stop a slow attack. The attack certainly wasnt at 0.2 and was obvious.

They were in a swordlock, Virgil won, sending Dantes sword flying and Dante was pushed backwards, struggling to keep his feet. Did you even watch that fight?

Originally posted by Burning thought

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And Kains been beaten by a weaker and very slow move. Do you want to look at the worst moment or the best/consistent ones? Consistent, thought so. Youve seen it last time, running speed; down the tower. Movement: several sword scenes. Kain takes 0.2 seconds to Dante, an effortless bullet timer.

Lifting it was slow iirc. Yes, all the energy went into the sword, none into Dante. No. I remember you saying it stopped a foot before hitting him, that like 99.9% of the overall force. Now this is where you tell us how you know for sure that it stopped just before hitting him before i strike it down.

Besides, clearly the entire fight is going in bullet-time, given how long it takes for the bullets to hit the wall after Dante cuts them in half.

Hell it at one part the speed was so fast that the rain looked like it stopped. Several attacks before a raindrop can move half micrometer 😐

Originally posted by BloodRain
Anyone whos seen that vid disagrees. Unless you have a perfect logical reason to suggest why they're blind wild strikes?

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And Kains been beaten by a weaker and very slow move. Do you want to look at the worst moment or the best/consistent ones? Consistent, thought so. Youve seen it last time, running speed; down the tower. Movement: several sword scenes. Kain takes 0.2 seconds to Dante, an effortless bullet timer.

Lifting it was slow iirc. Yes, all the energy went into the sword, none into Dante. No. I remember you saying it stopped a foot before hitting him, that like 99.9% of the overall force. Now this is where you tell us how you know for sure that it stopped just before hitting him before i strike it down.

Because their swinging the same fashion over and over again, if Dante was fast enough to stop those blows and reacted to them like you belive, none of Vergils other attacks, like when he hit him in the chest with his hilt, impaled him etc should have been a problem.

You cant use PIS for Kain when Dantes was just a fair fight and a fair defeat, not to mension Dantes not shown better. how is running down the tower his best feat? infact to some degree we could say he was aided by the fact he was you know, aided by gravity. Bullet prediction<Actual reaction time. Dantes not even going to know Kains there if he teleports.

I am saying it stopped before crushing him, fact of the matter is Dante didnt stop the fist. Saviour was frozen as the screen zooms out. Its not a strength feat either way and durabilitywise its not as good because hes taking some on his sword edge.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No you can't. If you just randomly swing in a fight, you can't block and someone gets killed. You have no proof that they we're just doing so anyway. Dante has proven he can react at that speed by catching a bullet with his teeth, which would require him to react at the exact moment the bullets is between his teeth.

Unless your claiming Dante can think fast enough to see Virgils stance, predict what his next move will be, and attack there, you have no argument. Btw, it would be impossible to do this anyway, since the attacks encapsulated a 180 degree angle, you can't predict how every attack will happen in a 180 degree angle all around your body.

They were in a swordlock, Virgil won, sending Dantes sword flying and Dante was pushed backwards, struggling to keep his feet. Did you even watch that fight?

Their swinging in the same fashion, considering their moving so fast the chances of a blow connecting eachother is unlikely. Especially when their swinging in the same fashion. And that looks more like luck, as he gets shot beforehand in the head.

You dont need to see someones stance, Vergil was in the same stance for most of that speed scene and when he changed it and mixed up his abilities, Dante was hard pressed and was impaled by a much slower move.

Yeh many many times, prob 3/4 times tonight, hence how I know Dante was impaled, barely moving enough to hold vergils sword as it impales him. If he was balanced enough to hold the sword as it entered he should have been fast enough to stop it, he wasnt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnxnqZEMf2E

At 1.05, they're fighting constantly whilst the rain is literally frozen.

Also, you can see them actually exchanging blows and reacting to their opponent.

His sword was affected by gravity too. He still caught up to it.

Another decent speed feat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ht40zJW4Wk

Before that point. You can see them fighting just like any swordsmen with no special speed. I only see the rain stopping when the force of their swords meeting created a shockwave.

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
His sword was affected by gravity too. He still caught up to it.

Another decent speed feat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ht40zJW4Wk

Yes but if their both affected by gravity, their not going to be under the same force, or running down a vertical surface in this fight.

Hard to call it a feat tbh. Since we cant see dante.

Are you high?! The rain was literally frozen in midair. You can't just ignore that.

At what point? only time I see it "frozen" is when the shockwave of the force comes. Also thats another thing it could be, instead of speed it could be based on the forces coming from their sword strikes at those speeds. Not because their dealing 3/4 blows in the space it takes for Rain to move.

1.06 on the dot.

Yes it looks more like its slowing down because of force, not speed. The shock of their hits is hitting the rain, just on a lesser degree to the final strike at 1:07.