Kain vs Team

blow to blow with a different technique than the one Vergil used to stop the bullets.

You mean..... moving his sword? Gasp! Why didn't I see it before! Obviously Dante is a slow, drunk moron who can't even beat a cow, it all makes sense!

Even if Vergils wrist is twice as fast as his sword-arm, that still means he can attack at speeds of 550 feet per second, which Dante reacted to, which means Dante can and will own Kain.

And Dante has already shown he can react to bulets by catching one in his teeth.

neither would speed, the swords are too small to hold rain in the air,infact Rain would just splash/splatter as its hit by the blade and it would still fall.

It would be made into much smaller droplets that we can't see from our distance and angle. And the smaller the sword, the more impressive that makes the feat. 🙂

And it still makes more sense then your shockwave theory.

ok so our knowledge of physics is the same....so no, you dont know physics better than I do.

The evidence is against you here I'm afraid.

You are forgiven to some degree.

Woot! Passive aggression ftw!

Because he was too slow, same with when he was pounded in the chest by Vergils hilt.

Being blitzed by Vergil is no shame. And he still didn't even try to stop it. He was staggered, accept this fact already.

If he can catch bullets it shows he can precieve them in midair and pick them out.

That is reaction speed.

Edit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean..... moving his sword? Gasp! Why didn't I see it before! Obviously Dante is a slow, drunk moron who can't even beat a cow, it all makes sense!

Even if Vergils wrist is twice as fast as his sword-arm, that still means he can attack at speeds of 550 feet per second, which Dante reacted to, which means Dante can and will own Kain.

And Dante has already shown he can react to bulets by catching one in his teeth.

It would be made into much smaller droplets that we can't see from our distance and angle. And the smaller the sword, the more impressive that makes the feat. 🙂

And it still makes more sense then your shockwave theory.

The evidence is against you here I'm afraid.

Woot! Passive aggression ftw!

Being blitzed by Vergil is no shame. And he [b]still didn't even try to stop it. He was staggered, accept this fact already. [/B]

Spinng his sword in a fan. he didnt attack Dante with the same move....and Vergils wrist did not have to be that fast, slightly slower as the bullets cover the area. Dante reacts to normal sword blows that we can actually see with ease, their not fast. not by a long shot.

luck imo. He cought one in his head a few seconds before.

It makes zero sense lol, the rain would still fall, fullstop, it would still glisten. We can even see where the blades strike.

not really, your claims are hence the argument. ofc your the one assuming now and trying to use one feat of Vergils as a speed feat for his every move.

Its no fact lol, I am looking at the scene now, he was stooped over before the sword even contacted ,vergil hesitated badly. And Vergil hardly blitzed anyone, he was moving slowly.

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
If he can catch bullets it shows he can precieve them in midair and pick them out.

That is reaction speed.

not if hes using a fan that covers the entire aimed trajectory. which he did.

Spinng his sword in a fan. he didnt attack Dante with the same move....and Vergils wrist did not have to be that fast, slightly slower as the bullets cover the area. Dante reacts to normal sword blows that we can actually see with ease, their not fast. not by a long shot.

Actually, merely spinning the sword would not do it, if its moving too fast it would clip the head of the bullet and send it flying. Too slow and you'd either clip the end or miss entirely. In other words he'd have to be reacting to them.

luck imo. He cought one in his head a few seconds before.

Its supported by his other feats, so it can't be luck. Specifically his feats of the rain drop scene and the scene with the frogs, as he is moving normally again and they are suspended in mid-air.

Besides, you can't catch a bullet in your teeth through luck. Thats ridiculous.

It makes zero sense lol, the rain would still fall, fullstop, it would still glisten. We can even see where the blades strike.

Remember this is a game. The creators don't have the time or technology to create droplets so small you can hardly see them anyway, or create sparkle effects for them. Point is, its the only explanation that makes sense, as a shockwave would expand, which we are given no visual evidence for, whilst we actually see Dante cut through a rain-drop.

Its no fact lol, I am looking at the scene now, he was stooped over before the sword even contacted ,vergil hesitated badly. And Vergil hardly blitzed anyone, he was moving slowly.

He was woobling badly, unbalanced. There is still no evidence that he tried to stop it. And yet again, this feat is not consistent with his other feats of speed and reaction, and its merely a low feat. Only taking his low feats is stupid.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Look at a car going 200km/h, heat is produced over mach speeds. Gravity wouldn't make him go faster then 200.

It doesnt work like that. Energy will have to be transferred into Dante, nothing worth mentioning will be left in the sword. Again, durability is geting flattened and standing back up. Strength is holding the attack to not get flattened.

One problem, it didnt get pushed away from them it was stationary. In other words so fast that it appears frozen.

Originally posted by Burning thought
How would you know that? you dont know anything about my educational background.

So? were using these current feats, you cant really add anything on just because hes stronger now unless you have a good DMC 4 speed feat.

Youve told me you dont know much about physics. I happen to be quite the fan of it.

Dante4>>>>>>>Dante3, no questions asked.

''Actually, merely spinning the sword would not do it, if its moving too fast it would clip the head of the bullet and send it flying. Too slow and you'd either clip the end or miss entirely. In other words he'd have to be reacting to them.'' Exactly what I was about to say, well played sir. And the whole consistency of Dante proving otherwise.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually, merely spinning the sword would not do it, if its moving too fast it would clip the head of the bullet and send it flying. Too slow and you'd either clip the end or miss entirely. In other words he'd have to be reacting to them.

Its supported by his other feats, so it can't be luck. Specifically his feats of the rain drop scene and the scene with the frogs, as he is moving normally again and they are suspended in mid-air.

Besides, you can't catch a bullet in your teeth through luck. Thats ridiculous.

Remember this is a game. The creators don't have the time or technology to create droplets so small you can hardly see them anyway, or create sparkle effects for them. Point is, its the only explanation that makes sense, as a shockwave would expand, which we are given no visual evidence for, whilst we actually see Dante cut through a rain-drop.

He was woobling badly, unbalanced. There is still no evidence that he tried to stop it. And yet again, this feat is not consistent with his other feats of speed and reaction, and its merely a low feat. Only taking his low feats is stupid.

nah all we see is him spinning his sword, no reactions at all. Perhaps his sword was just going fast enough to catch the body of the bullet, perhaps its just a random blow of physics ignorance.

No its not, swinging blows at someone in the rain or shooting frogs with missles is not comparable to catching a small bullet in your teeth. As I said he took a bullet to the head before so hes not got the best reaction, how do we know he actually cought it between his teeth and it didnt just stop on his teeth?

Or the time and technology to create realistic movement and take into account physics. That doesnt mean they cant show ridiculous feats. We also see his sword blows quite easily.

Their consistent low feats.....he gets shot in the head, he gets pounded twice by Vergil, thats 3 off the top of my head. He underestimates Nero as well and cannot change his tactics in time to stop himself from getting beaten and impaled. If Dante was as fast as you claim none of this would happen. his feats are almost always based on prediction, not pure speed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The plot says both character must die no matter what, Dante just happened to be fighting a stronger enemy. He had to know what he was doing when he attacks, the whole of DMC proves that he is an expert at worse. Control is in that scene. Fast attacks means quick reaction times.

Look at a car going 200km/h, heat is produced over mach speeds. Gravity wouldn't make him go faster then 200.

It doesnt work like that. Energy will have to be transferred into Dante, nothing worth mentioning will be left in the sword. Again, durability is geting flattened and standing back up. Strength is holding the attack to not get flattened.

One problem, it didnt get pushed away from them it was stationary. In other words so fast that it appears frozen.

Youve told me you dont know much about physics. I happen to be quite the fan of it.

Dante4>>>>>>>Dante3, no questions asked.

''Actually, merely spinning the sword would not do it, if its moving too fast it would clip the head of the bullet and send it flying. Too slow and you'd either clip the end or miss entirely. In other words he'd have to be reacting to them.'' Exactly what I was about to say, well played sir. And the whole consistency of Dante proving otherwise.

No, not at all. Fast attacks a lot of people can do, that doesnt mean tehy react to the quickest speed they can do coming at them. Dante shows poor reaction times.

Show me.

Energy will be lost, thats why you use a sowrd to lessen the damage. Some is absorbed into dante, the rest turns into heat or w/e. Then it continues on, losing strength until it hits Dantes wrists after going through his hands. I would agree if Dante was pushed into a groove in the ground, or more damage was made to the surroundings but there was not. Hence why only a small amount of force hit him.

The rest of the rain outside of the bubble looked fine.

Originally posted by Burning thought
nah all we see is him spinning his sword, no reactions at all. Perhaps his sword was just going fast enough to catch the body of the bullet, perhaps its just a random blow of physics ignorance.

No its not, swinging blows at someone in the rain or shooting frogs with missles is not comparable to catching a small bullet in your teeth. As I said he took a bullet to the head before so hes not got the best reaction, how do we know he actually cought it between his teeth and it didnt just stop on his teeth?

Or the time and technology to create realistic movement and take into account physics. That doesnt mean they cant show ridiculous feats. We also see his sword blows quite easily.

Their consistent low feats.....he gets shot in the head, he gets pounded twice by Vergil, thats 3 off the top of my head. He underestimates Nero as well and cannot change his tactics in time to stop himself from getting beaten and impaled. If Dante was as fast as you claim none of this would happen. his feats are almost always based on prediction, not pure speed.

Damn, I was really hoping you wouldn't pick up on that hole in my argument. 'Nah'. How the hell can I argue against that level of logic? I mean I actually made a compelling argument and you so easily blocked it by going 'nah'. My God, I'm clearly overmatched.

Its consistent with making reactions so fast the world around you appear to stop. And becuase he spits it out afterwards.

Only when the camera is sped up to match their movements or they're in slow-mo, until then the are blurs.

He wasn't expecting that shot to the head. He did just save her life and everything. And again, losing to Vergil, a casual bullet-timer is no shame. Stop low-balling Dante to make your favourite character look good. I don't know anything about Nero but that would just make him look good, not make Dante look bad.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Damn, I was really hoping you wouldn't pick up on that hole in my argument. 'Nah'. How the hell can I argue against that level of logic? I mean I actually made a compelling argument and you so easily blocked it by going 'nah'. My God, I'm clearly overmatched.

Its consistent with making reactions so fast the world around you appear to stop. And becuase he spits it out afterwards.

Only when the camera is sped up to match their movements or they're in slow-mo, until then the are blurs.

He wasn't expecting that shot to the head. He did just save her life and everything. And again, losing to Vergil, a casual bullet-timer is no shame. Stop low-balling Dante to make your favourite character look good. I don't know anything about Nero but that would just make him look good, not make Dante look bad.

Your overmatched by the fact the cutscene shows us Vergil just spinning his sword. Technically theres no physical way he could have picked them all up and layed them down so neatly the way he did either.

Thats evidence a bullet went in his mouth, not that he took it between his teeth.

All this "camera sped up" stuff, the only time their blurs is when the rain is coming down. I could argue that thats not as realistic as the other scenes and is just eye candy.....the majority of the scene is shown with them fighting slowly while rain is falling.

So he didnt react to it then, hes not going to be expecting kain appearing behind him and impaling him either. You dont know anything about Nero? meh....and Kain doesnt need these feats to look good, the PSI of Dantes strikes would be too low to damage Kain anyway. Dantes shown series of actions where hes been beaten and his only good feats are based on prediction, not reaction. By the sounds of it I have played 1 more DMC game than you so perhaps I woudl also know better.

Welcome to KMC Games vs, Nephthys. 🙂

So I got lazy for a bit there, and will now pick back up on Nanite Nick Fury. A-Bomb's durability makes him impossible to kill by Kain physically. Fury has force fields through the use of Justice's telekinesis powers. Multiple Man makes blood shower worthless as he can create up to forty duplicates of the same power level. Due to the Nanites, Fury is immune to mind control and inspire hate. He also has the abilities of Whirlwind to nullify Mist form.

Kain is clearly outmatched, and that isn't even all of his powers. 😬

Originally posted by Burning thought

Yep. What, and Kain is just godly with his rt? 😐 The scene is the evidence, Dante being a pro backs it up.

I swear I pointed it out to you last time?

Energy is lost between the Savior's fist, the <inch thick blade and is barely nothing when it gets to Dante? Physics disagrees with you. Something weighing about 2000 tons is coming at you at 300 km/h, a few cm separating the two wont take the force away.

There is no bubble at the part im looking at.

Note: We see Dante catching it in his teeth. And something about Dante, he doesnt show his A-game on people far below him eg Trish, Lady and Nero.

Thanks for the welcome, but this still doesn't hold up to SWversus in its heyday. Those were some fun times..... ❌

I'm going to bed, but I'd like to point out that with Bullseyes power he'd be hitting with 99% accuracy too. And Bullseye can predict teleporters and stuff.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yep. What, and Kain is just godly with his rt? 😐 The scene is the evidence, Dante being a pro backs it up.

I swear I pointed it out to you last time?

Energy is lost between the Savior's fist, the <inch thick blade and is barely nothing when it gets to Dante? Physics disagrees with you. Something weighing about 2000 tons is coming at you at 300 km/h, a few cm separating the two wont take the force away.

There is no bubble at the part im looking at.

Note: We see Dante catching it in his teeth. And something about Dante, he doesnt show his A-game on people far below him eg Trish, Lady and Nero.

Faster than Dante who works on prediction. Kain can go through all the human senses in 0.2, that takes 0.5, fresh from nothing.

Oh rly? I dont remember....

No it doesnt, logic AND physics disagree with you. The blade reduces energy in every way. And it will take some force away, his fist is huge. Most of the pressure is over a large, flat blade. Then some of it is spread through Dantes hands. I think we calculated about 500 tons as Dantes blunt resistance.

He doesnt show his A game on Vergil either and gets his ass handed to him.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Welcome to KMC Games vs, Nephthys. 🙂

So I got lazy for a bit there, and will now pick back up on Nanite Nick Fury. A-Bomb's durability makes him impossible to kill by Kain physically. Fury has force fields through the use of Justice's telekinesis powers. Multiple Man makes blood shower worthless as he can create up to forty duplicates of the same power level. Due to the Nanites, Fury is immune to mind control and inspire hate. He also has the abilities of Whirlwind to nullify Mist form.

Kain is clearly outmatched, and that isn't even all of his powers. 😬

Bloodshower would be more useful as it attacks all enemies in the area. And nanites dont necesserily protect his mind against somehing like that, they control it according to you. That just means they will be controlling a differnt head. Although Kain may not be able to beat this guy.

Blood shower would easily have a limit on attackers.

Also, I have learned that Moonstone is immune to magical attacks. Fury has her powers.

You guys are on Fury and Kahn now?

The rest of them got boring. 😐 BT just quit trying and went to ignoring stuff. And about the Metroids, I think that one just died. Even if Kain survived the swarm, Metroid Prime would be there to finish it off. That was pretty much it. We never really discussed the characters. I'm too lazy to look up feats on Articuno, I don't think there's a lot of Rundas, and Ice Mario is just Mario with a coating of ice.

The Darkseid of Kahn is enough to win here. New Gods are pretty dope.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Gonna have to youtube mission 8, my youtube seems to be fighting me :/

Distance between the mass of force and Dante: <2cm. Energy that didnt reach Dante: smaller then unnoticeable. 500? We? Che, going behind my back >.> To reiterate; 2000ton mass at 300km/h. And you get 500tons?

Who, Dante3 ,weakest, without any devil powers after an unbeatable match with speeds so fast that rain that falls about 10m/s was paused in comparison to their speed? That guy? Iirc Kains best speed is something near 5m in 0.2, eg Dante's stinger move.

Articuno's mere presence shifts the atmosphere to snowfall. Its ice attacks will destroy the opposition. Blizzard ftw.

Next round now? We've all done round 1.

Thinking Kesseler takes charge. He's lightning as a human, that and Ridley would stomp.