Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The rest of them got boring. 😐 BT just quit trying and went to ignoring stuff. And about the Metroids, I think that one just died. Even if Kain survived the swarm, Metroid Prime would be there to finish it off. That was pretty much it. We never really discussed the characters. I'm too lazy to look up feats on Articuno, I don't think there's a lot of Rundas, and Ice Mario is just Mario with a coating of ice.
Rundas is pretty awesome.
Originally posted by BloodRain
You call it prediction, everyone else calls its sword play. If he didnt know what he was doing... he would of died in the first 3 seconds. 0.333, so he's 1.5x faster then the 'average' human. Dodging a bullet shot from behind 4m away, the time between shot and evasion is 0.01seconds.Gonna have to youtube mission 8, my youtube seems to be fighting me :/
Distance between the mass of force and Dante: <2cm. Energy that didnt reach Dante: smaller then unnoticeable. 500? We? Che, going behind my back >.> To reiterate; 2000ton mass at 300km/h. And you get 500tons?
Who, Dante3 ,weakest, without any devil powers after an unbeatable match with speeds so fast that rain that falls about 10m/s was paused in comparison to their speed? That guy? Iirc Kains best speed is something near 5m in 0.2, eg Dante's stinger move.
Articuno's mere presence shifts the atmosphere to snowfall. Its ice attacks will destroy the opposition. Blizzard ftw.
Same things, predicted sword play. Why would he be dead in the first rounds? if Vergil wanted him dead he would have chopped his head off not impaled. Hes far faster, thats just being able to see something, it takes 0.5 for a human to percieve an object, Kain does that and reacts to a moving object and then makes some decisions. he is far faster than Dante who gets shot in the head and beaten by a slow thump in the chest and impalement. Also reacting to sound like Dante does against that bullet can also be prediction, he reacted as if he knew lady was behind him, which is understandable as even the viewers can hear her approach.
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Spread out over the whole swords width and length, thats even larger than the portion that hit Dantes hands. Yeh, 500 tons divided by the area it strikes, amount of jouls was found based on how much was actually hitting Dantes hands. Only about 500 tonnes overall PSI. And 2000 tonnes doesnt hit him, Saviour swings in an arc, so the whole weight is not on Dante.
Stinger is not that fast iirc, but a similiar technique.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Blood shower would easily have a limit on attackers.Also, I have learned that Moonstone is immune to magical attacks. Fury has her powers.
Yeh, but it drains 4 and kills the leftovers.
Well then he wins if hes too fast for Kain to get a MC off, maybe if he teleports to make distance and then mind controls he may be able to do something.
Rundus does not look as impressive and Moocowjustice made out.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Hope you have the math/physics to back up the claim of the majority of the force going into the sword and being lost before getting to Dante. From the direction and speed of the moving mass the energy would keep moving forward, forward being into him aka on his hands. If a person punched him then the majority would go into the sword, but this is a 6m fist with that speed and weight behind it. As it is so large the fist is hitting the part where his hands are. Again hardly a percent would be lost be the time it gets to Dante. Evident by the pan out and type of punch the weight included went up to the shoulder that was pushing down on him. Where are you getting this 500tons stuff from? I'll tell you now its wrong.
From the number i wrote down both attacks have roughly the same speed (25m/s, aww they share the same move) and before i forget; 20~m in half a sec when he appeared behind Nero.
Re: Now that you've made me look at the scene again (curse you >>😉 ive noticed a small but major thing. The central impact was focused on one hand, the left one that is at the impact point while the right is not actually touching the fist, its in the open space between the middle and index finger. Essentially, turning this into a one arm feat. Definitely a great find. ^^
Originally posted by BloodRain
The only people that would do predicted sword play are two 5 year olds playing with toy swords, even an amateur would try to keep control. Dante is above pro, he had nothing but control in that scene. Dead, incapacitated, either would happen if he didnt know what he was doing. It isnt prediction that he moved the targeted portion of the body only, thats skill on a whole different level. The instant she fired he reacted to to it and moved his head to evade the bullet. And the only footsteps heard are Dantes. His reactions are fast enough to easily dodge a bullet shot from 4m away.Hope you have the math/physics to back up the claim of the majority of the force going into the sword and being lost before getting to Dante. From the direction and speed of the moving mass the energy would keep moving forward, forward being into him aka on his hands. If a person punched him then the majority would go into the sword, but this is a 6m fist with that speed and weight behind it. As it is so large the fist is hitting the part where his hands are. Again hardly a percent would be lost be the time it gets to Dante. Evident by the pan out and type of punch the weight included went up to the shoulder that was pushing down on him. Where are you getting this 500tons stuff from? I'll tell you now its wrong.
From the number i wrote down both attacks have roughly the same speed (25m/s, aww they share the same move) and before i forget; 20~m in half a sec when he appeared behind Nero.Re: Now that you've made me look at the scene again (curse you >>😉 ive noticed a small but major thing. The central impact was focused on one hand, the left one that is at the impact point while the right is not actually touching the fist, its in the open space between the middle and index finger. Essentially, turning this into a one arm feat. Definitely a great find. ^^
No, anyone who cant react higher than 0.5 (humans) would use prediction of the opponents stance to take them. Yes, he had full control as he was disarmed, thumped in the chest etc. I can hear hers, she would make a lot of noise to Dante assuming his senses are at least equel to or above a humans.
No, we ignored the sword and found the 500 tonnes based on Dantes hands, the sword has a larger surface area, hence less force, more spread, common sense for anyone who knows anything about PSI. Its evident by the pan out that the punch would never have crushed Dante, its fully extended and is still over his sword. Fat he came from an angle means the whole weight was never on Dante, you can only assume it was but the fact Saviour was frozen at the end makes it obvious it never was. Show me Dantes stinger in the instances you are taking into account.
Energy goes through the sword which is touching both hands. Spreading over the swords surface area, then divided against by Dantes hands. Not a lot actually hits Dante tbh. Hence why the weak ground beneath his feet only shook a little.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The nanites prevent mind control as mind control doesn't affect machines. 😐
Hes still got a brain.....
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
His brain is not under his control. Kain can do whatever he does, but he cannot override the control of the machines.
He will still pretty much be defeated. Their controlling Fury mind, now their controlling Kain/Fury mind. Also can you prove the nanites control him completly? Can you prove the machines will be able to do anything once fury is mind controlled?
What kind of question is that? Can I show them controlling Fury's mind? No, because the game never bothered to zoom in on Fury's brain. But he was injected with the Nanites. The Nanites were created so that the Pro Registration forces could use super villains as reinforcements in the war against the Anti Registration.
I'm gonna give several reasons that Fury cannot be mind controlled.
- The Nanites are in charge.
- The Fold is a collective intelligence containing an incredible majority of the Earth's population, Kain could not conquer it.
- Fury contains the abilities of Justice, the telekinetic, his mind is arguably more powerful if not an equal.
- If Kain's mind control is due to magic, Fury is immune to it.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
What kind of question is that? Can I show them controlling Fury's mind? No, because the game never bothered to zoom in on Fury's brain. But he was injected with the Nanites. The Nanites were created so that the Pro Registration forces could use super villains as reinforcements in the war against the Anti Registration.I'm gonna give several reasons that Fury cannot be mind controlled.
- The Nanites are in charge.
- The Fold is a collective intelligence containing an incredible majority of the Earth's population, Kain could not conquer it.
- Fury contains the abilities of Justice, the telekinetic, his mind is arguably more powerful if not an equal.
- If Kain's mind control is due to magic, Fury is immune to it.
Can you show evidence that the nanites are in charge and not just influencing what he thinks/feels? or not just changing what he thinks if he turns on his superiors? sounds a little ambigious.
-The fold is not here, its one person were talking about.
-Telekinesis does not give you mental resistance. Unless you can prove otherwise?
-Kain has two, one magic based, one mental.
After watching the Kessler fight, he seems to be what BT likes to think Kain is, a constantly teleporting dervish of destruction. Not only that, but it seems he can make himself into pure electricity, just like Kain can turn himself into mist, at one point seeming to do this against bullets. He also seems to have high-level TK. I'd say he's more than a match for Kain.
Your overmatched by the fact the cutscene shows us Vergil just spinning his sword. Technically theres no physical way he could have picked them all up and layed them down so neatly the way he did either.Thats evidence a bullet went in his mouth, not that he took it between his teeth.
All this "camera sped up" stuff, the only time their blurs is when the rain is coming down. I could argue that thats not as realistic as the other scenes and is just eye candy.....the majority of the scene is shown with them fighting slowly while rain is falling.
So he didnt react to it then, hes not going to be expecting kain appearing behind him and impaling him either. You dont know anything about Nero? meh....and Kain doesnt need these feats to look good, the PSI of Dantes strikes would be too low to damage Kain anyway. Dantes shown series of actions where hes been beaten and his only good feats are based on prediction, not reaction. By the sounds of it I have played 1 more DMC game than you so perhaps I woudl also know better.
It looked like he let them slide down his blade, which would undoubtably have taken some kind of immense blade control. Either way, he could only have been reacting to the individual bullets and adjusting his spin as bullets travel at different speeds and its the only way for him to have done what he did besides UNBELIEVABLE luck (lol).
You can see the bullet between his teeth. Also, there would have been blood if he'd got in the back of the throat or he'd start choaking on it. Thirdly there's a shower of sparks and a sound effect that would only happen if he chomped it . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAOq6nW1_Cs 0.45
The fight scene is consistent with Dantes abilities and they are seen as blurs during the bits where we not treated to the fight in slow motion. The swords are white after-images.
Specifically, its consistent with this scene where the rest of the world is slowed down but Dante keeps moving the same speed- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYvFmv8FtaI 1.15
Lol, I havn't played any DMC games. My knowledge comes solely from watching you guys debate, the DMC wiki and youtube. The difference is that you are Incredibly bias, whereas I'm seeing characters for what they actually can do. Btw, how would Kain react to quicksilver?
He didn't react to it becuase he wasn't expecting to have to, completely different from if he was in a fight, when his senses would be on edge and adreneline would be flooding his system. He would be expecting Kain to be making some moves and counter as fast as possible.
Edit: Also, you can't mind-control a machine. Kain can't do jack to the Nanites.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Can you show evidence that the nanites are in charge and not just influencing what he thinks/feels? or not just changing what he thinks if he turns on his superiors? sounds a little ambigious.
-The fold is not here, its one person were talking about.
-Telekinesis does not give you mental resistance. Unless you can prove otherwise?
-Kain has two, one magic based, one mental.
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Those villains are injected with the Nanites, and these tentacles signify that they are not being controlled by the pro registration forces. The Fold has already started and is now controlling them to attempt to blow up that power plant.
- Fury has special Nanites that allow him access to the rest of The Fold is their entirety.
- He's a psychic. A powerful mind is a given, wouldn't you say so? Similar to how powerful muscles are a given with super strength.
- Without one mechanical he's screwed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
After watching the Kessler fight, he seems to be what BT likes to think Kain is, a constantly teleporting dervish of destruction. Not only that, but it seems he can make himself into pure electricity, just like Kain can turn himself into mist, at one point seeming to do this against bullets. He also seems to have high-level TK. I'd say he's more than a match for Kain.It looked like he let them slide down his blade, which would undoubtably have taken some kind of immense blade control. Either way, he could only have been reacting to the individual bullets and adjusting his spin as bullets travel at different speeds and its the only way for him to have done what he did besides UNBELIEVABLE luck (lol).
You can see the bullet between his teeth. Also, there would have been blood if he'd got in the back of the throat or he'd start choaking on it. Thirdly there's a shower of sparks and a sound effect that would only happen if he chomped it . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAOq6nW1_Cs 0.45
The fight scene is consistent with Dantes abilities and they are seen as blurs during the bits where we not treated to the fight in slow motion. The swords are white after-images.
Specifically, its consistent with this scene where the rest of the world is slowed down but Dante keeps moving the same speed- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYvFmv8FtaI 1.15
Lol, I havn't played any DMC games. My knowledge comes solely from watching you guys debate, the DMC wiki and youtube. The difference is that you are [b]Incredibly
bias, whereas I'm seeing characters for what they actually can do. Btw, how would Kain react to quicksilver?He didn't react to it becuase he wasn't expecting to have to, completely different from if he was in a fight, when his senses would be on edge and adreneline would be flooding his system. He would be expecting Kain to be making some moves and counter as fast as possible.
Edit: Also, you can't mind-control a machine. Kain can't do jack to the Nanites. [/B]
Cute, "likes to think what kain is", if thats all he can do then I doubt he can do much at all.
Yes because letting something slide down is immense control, theres no physical way they could have done that at all, its just an anime esque action scene in that case since physically the bullets would have just fallen all over the place, and based on the fact Vergil just spins his sword like a fan, the bullets would just pop or be sliced apart in the first place or go flying off.
Unbelievable luck indeed. The fact hes shot the first time proves it tbh.
The swords are white because their covered in rain which is illuminated, their not much faster than the "slow mo" that your claiming tbh. We can still easily trace their movements.
Ive seen it, you posting the vid again doesnt change the fact that Dante is not even attacked and the toads are not slow until their shot up into the air. Dante still takes a long time getting out his weapons, too long.
Yes right, beause you have evidence to suggest I am bias...oh wait no you dont, your deduction is because I disagree with you and others who dont have a clue about the games their trying to argue for, I have finished all DMC games and based on a few vids and not even knowing who Nero is you think you can argue against me? lulz, have you even played LoK for that matter? Not sure, quicksilver is one of those strange powers that take a second or more to activate and its still based on Dantes reaction time and whats dante going to do while everyone is slowed? stick him with his sword a few times?
Thats what reaction time is all about, reactions. As I said, Dantes not going to be expecting hes going to have to react to Kain appearing out of thin air behind him and impaling him at speeds he cant react to. But not necesserily this move, not that he could ever predict the angle Kains going to come from.
Kain can mind control a mind....
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
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Those villains are injected with the Nanites, and these tentacles signify that they are not being controlled by the pro registration forces. The Fold has already started and is now controlling them to attempt to blow up that power plant.
- Fury has special Nanites that allow him access to the rest of The Fold is their entirety.
- He's a psychic. A powerful mind is a given, wouldn't you say so? Similar to how powerful muscles are a given with super strength.
- Without one mechanical he's screwed.
- If the fold is not in this Vs, how is he accessing it?
- Not sure tbh, a powerful mind does not mean you have the technique or ability to even realise your being mindcontrolled, let alone defend against it.
-Not really, he can still mind control Nick fury, just not keep control assuming they can overide Kains control. If they do, Kain does it again.
Originally posted by Burning thought
'We'..?.. well that's defiantly all the evidence I needed. Your word, forget the logic, maths and science. No. And dont try and say whats evident when ive already covered it from more angles then you could of, timeing/type of punch/position of it afterwards. All covered. It would of crushed him flat. And dont go assuming what you assume im assuming, the weight was on him by Dantes stance and shown when he pushed it off. Actually~ it doesnt really matter if you disagree because Dante did with one hand what Kain 'and' Raziel couldn't do together. Im serious, put them both in that scene and they would be flattened. Stinger from random gameplay vids, replaced by appearing behind Nero, faster feat.
Hardly anything will make it to his second hand. The laws of science says that the majority of the energy would go into Dante. Now answer, do you really believe that Dante is weaker then Kain of do you just want to believe that? As anyone who has seen that scene would never truly say Raz's 45ton slow lift can be 'anywhere' near that. Right now maths and phys are backing my side, the majority of the energy lost in the 1cm gap? 0% change of that happening.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Only an idiot would predict in a sword fight 😐 But wasn't incapacitated until the end. May want to watch that again, only ones heard are Dantes.'We'..?.. well that's defiantly all the evidence I needed. Your word, forget the logic, maths and science. No. And dont try and say whats evident when ive already covered it from more angles then you could of, timeing/type of punch/position of it afterwards. All covered. It would of crushed him flat. And dont go assuming what you assume im assuming, the weight was on him by Dantes stance and shown when he pushed it off. Actually~ it doesnt really matter if you disagree because Dante did with one hand what Kain 'and' Raziel couldn't do together. Im serious, put them both in that scene and they would be flattened. Stinger from random gameplay vids, replaced by appearing behind Nero, faster feat.
Hardly anything will make it to his second hand. The laws of science says that the majority of the energy would go into Dante. Now answer, do you really believe that Dante is weaker then Kain of do you just want to believe that? As anyone who has seen that scene would never truly say Raz's 45ton slow lift can be 'anywhere' near that. Right now maths and phys are backing my side, the majority of the energy lost in the 1cm gap? 0% change of that happening.
Call the human race idiots, they cant react at 0.5. Whats your knowledge on sword fighting? since your ignoring the common sense of prediction constantly being present. Anyone can predict an attack, training can allow one to correctly predict an attack. If you know anything about martial arts, tehy dont just teach you how to be fast, they teach you stances and how to work with/against them...
Nah, that was including more logic, math and science than you have included in your random opinions and deductions. It would never have crushed him at all, the ground itself was hardly damaged because the fist even fully extended just barely scrapes Dantes sword. Just lucky for Dante Saviour died and froze before it could push down on him tbh. He didnt push anything worthy of a feat, Saviour was propped up. I am pretty sure Kain and Raziel cna put a sword in front of them only for their opponent to freeze. Kain and Raziel (or certainly kain) can take well in excess of a mere 500 tons of force unlike Dante who may not have even had that, but I am generous and will let you have those figuires.
The swords on both his hands, force travels through the sword and through Dantes connecting hands. Hes easily weaker, based on his best feat (swinging around a motor bike?) he would never reach the strength of Raziel who can easily push around 100 tons and fling 50 tons a few meters with a slight push. Kain overpowers this, and kain takes the multiplied PSI of Raziels sharp claws on his chest, he can take far more damage than Dante. Possibly even more than Dante can dish out with his sword. no right now your claiming they are without showing any workings, I dont even need "workings" to outline that Saviours stance and the fact he was frozen would not make it much of a feat for Dante.