Kain vs Team

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
...haermm Raziel puts his whole body behind the "prod" and barely sends the block more than a meter. You're the one who is reaching.
Colour, you have no proof of source of power.
No it makes your argument pointless. Kain's canon teleport is slow.
In gameplay, not in canon.

He just gives it a light push and it moves along easily. He shows no effort.

yes I do, dimension reaver is for the green teleport. Dimentional, its a completly seperate ability that Kain gains halfway through the game.

According to A.G, its just as fast to start.

Samr thing in this case, a scripted player characters ability with outlined use.

What, he flat out shoots them after she fires them at him.

That is bullet timing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8YUWC-tWNY

As for Dante catching bullets with his teeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAOq6nW1_Cs

the second bullet, you hear the clang and then he spits it out

DMC is so lame.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It can copy what basic moves Dante displated.

False, and Kains would be far more as Raziel can do all this easily, and Kain can beat Raz easily.

Dante was not stupid at any point, he even attempted to stop vergil. He was outmatched by someone superior. Kain was beaten by someone vastly inferior, PIS.

Lifting a 45ton block >>> Casually running faster then cars with a tank over your head.

PIS not CIS, this was a persons mistake for the plot.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Lmao. I just noticed an Ad at the bottom of the page saying "Lower Your Blood Pressure."

1st game was brill

Those were the days, before Dante became a B-movie cowboy. 🙁

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
What, he flat out shoots them after she fires them at him.

That is bullet timing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8YUWC-tWNY

As for Dante catching bullets with his teeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAOq6nW1_Cs

the second bullet, you hear the clang and then he spits it out

dante does not have to react just to the bullet in the first part of the scene. He can determine her footsteps although I admit, its probably his best feat. however dodging a bullet and dodging a large sword is completly different.

Ladies and Dantes guns barrels were prob only a few inches away, the bullets hardly had time to travel in a non predictable pattern.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Nephthys
BT, I think you need to watch the scene again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsbrwIvDKIE

Also, what does PSI mean?

Pounds per square inch. Its multiplied massively at a sharp point like Kains sword tip and Raziels claws.

Also I remember the scene correctly, at 0:55 we see them just pushing swords together, indicating they likely cannot put much strength into their slashes at speeds. 1:11 shows us Dante is holding the sword already, he was just too slow to react.

Just shows how easily Dante is distracted as well.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And shown in gameplay, all of his moves are available. Capable.

Lifting a 45ton block >>> Casually running faster then cars with a tank over your head.

PIS not CIS, this was a persons mistake for the plot.

Mine says 'sign up to BT' lol

I would like to see this.

Pushing 100 tonnes still shows Raziel has more weight/strength, just not as much technique, balance and grip. And btw, can you show me this? carrying tank wreckage is something I never did myself.

What mistake? there was no mistake, Dante was just beaten fair and square by someone who was better than him. Show me what indicates Dante is superior to vergil at that point?

Pounds per square inch. Its multiplied massively at a sharp point like Kains sword tip and Raziels claws.

Pushing 100 tonnes still shows Raziel has more weight/strength, just not as much technique.

He jumped after she fired and he shot the bullets. Looked fairly obvious too me.

Want combat speed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1JZkoxPjA8

1 minute in.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Do you really have to ask? Supernova. Said explosion is a lot more than just pure force. Yeah, it would actually. In order for that to do anything at all Kain would have to maintain the pull, or else the spell would fail and Bowser's body will resume it's normal movement. For Kain to stand there, Ridley and Kessler have to not move at all. To be blunt, I doubt Kain can win this. He only has five minutes to take down Kessler who is easily his peer in speed, if not his superior. And Ridley who's flight speed shits on Kain. Technically these guys can just stall until the Fuzzys arrive, effectively screwing over everyone.

This sorcerous power has never faced durability. Ever. It's doomed.

Wasn't even relevant.

Because it was missed/ignored the first time.

Vergil was superior to Dante in 1st fight
Equal in second
equal in third, vergil got sloppy due to plans failing etc: thats why Dante won

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Do you really have to ask? Supernova. Said explosion is a lot more than just pure force. Yeah, it would actually. In order for that to do anything at all Kain would have to maintain the pull, or else the spell would fail and Bowser's body will resume it's normal movement. For Kain to stand there, Ridley and Kessler have to not move at all. To be blunt, I doubt Kain can win this. He only has five minutes to take down Kessler who is easily his peer in speed, if not his superior. And Ridley who's flight speed shits on Kain. Technically these guys can just stall until the Fuzzys arrive, effectively screwing over everyone.

This sorcerous power has never faced durability. Ever. It's doomed.

Wasn't even relevant.

This is not a real supernova, because the sun in question is not a real sun. No it would just kill Bowser instantly, and anyone nearby, their hearts would be splattered by all its blood spraying through wrong arteries and veins etc.

Irrelevant point is irrelevant. Durability is never even implied or mentioned by the spell.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I was stupid enough to try and teach this sort of thing to BT, and he takes it way out of context, bungles numbers, ect..

No it doesn't. 😐

Nah, its a simple calculation. The only "bungled" numbers are the ones that do not slide in your favour it seems.

100 tonnes>under 40/50.

Originally posted by Son of Sparda
He jumped after she fired and he shot the bullets. Looked fairly obvious too me.

Want combat speed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1JZkoxPjA8

1 minute in.

Same fight as argued earlier. Dante was outperformed by a slower attack, the quick, inaccurate and likely weak attacks did little.

It seems to me based on that alone is that Dante is outperformed when he actually faces strength and force rather than quick jabs.

Originally posted by Burning thought
This is not a real supernova, because the sun in question is not a real sun. No it would just kill Bowser instantly, and anyone nearby, their hearts would be splattered by all its blood spraying through wrong arteries and veins etc.

Irrelevant point is irrelevant. Durability is never even implied or mentioned by the spell.

Doesn't matter. The explosion still created a black hole, making it as powerful as a supernova. You're ignoring the durability points, and the point that Kain does not have the ability to control blood that well.

None of the things you claim Kain can do are implied or mentioned either. Regardless, durability remains a thorn in Blood Shower's sided. Similar to how a gentle breeze remains a thorn in the side of Mist form.

Nah, its a simple calculation. The only "bungled" numbers are the ones that do not slide in your favour it seems.

100 tonnes>under 40/50.

Pushing 100 slowly < carrying 60 easily. Let's scale this down to human terms. If I can run around holding 60 lbs over my head, and you can slowly push 100 across the ground, who is stronger? I am.

No he just ran out of stamina, hell he hadn't even awakened his demonic heritage yet until Rebellion was shoved into his chest.

He just bulldozed through several floors of fodder and high level demons. He didn't get a chance to rest before fighting Vergil.

well from what i remember anyway

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And yet you screw it up.

Pushing 100 slowly < carrying 60 easily. Let's scale this down to human terms. If I can run around holding 60 lbs over my head, and you can slowly push 100 across the ground, who is stronger? I am.

Nope, you even said in PM that I was doing it correctly. Its funny how i only got it wrong when I got numbers that do not work with yours or that give Kain advantages, you dont like that lol.

Pushing 100 with ease>carrying 50 with ease especially when concerning fighting. Why would you be stronger? it depends on the object, balance, stamina etc not just strength.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Doesn't matter. The explosion still created a black hole, making it as powerful as a supernova. You're ignoring the durability points, and the point that Kain does not have the ability to control blood that well.

None of the things you claim Kain can do are implied or mentioned either. Regardless, durability remains a thorn in Blood Shower's sided. Similar to how a gentle breeze remains a thorn in the side of Mist form.

Assuming ofc that, unlike the sun, the stars and the origin of galaxies and the fact you can breathe in space in this game the blackhole was anywhere near as powerful as a real one. He can move blood, theres nothing that hard to get about this, blood shower brings blood to Kain, durability is not even mentioned and because its a magic spell its irrelevent tbh. Bowser could have blood pouring from his ass and nose for all Kain cares.

Sounds like another baseless point, as if your trying to get me back for my amazingly awsome counter to your last statement. Your getting frustrated and angry again, if you dont want to debate dont, just leave and dont bother with your half assed arguments and trolling.

Nope, you even said in PM that I was doing it correctly.

Its funny how i only got it wrong when I got numbers that do not work with yours or that give Kain advantages, you dont like that lol.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You did one part correctly. Once. How about when low numbers like 180 000 get turned into 1 500 000 by your poor math? That's not bias, that's you doing it wrong.

The one part that pretty much makes up the whole calculation. Once I have the calculation, all I have to do is put in the figuires. My math was fine, I have your calculation, I have the actual feat, theres nothing more to it. I dont know where you got those random figuires from to try and discredit me, from thin air? probably is my guess.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Assuming ofc that, unlike the sun, the stars and the origin of galaxies and the fact you can breathe in space in this game the blackhole was anywhere near as powerful as a real one. He can move blood, theres nothing that hard to get about this, blood shower brings blood to Kain, durability is not even mentioned and because its a magic spell its irrelevent tbh. Bowser could have blood pouring from his ass and nose for all Kain cares.

Sounds like another baseless point, as if your trying to get me back for my amazingly awsome counter to your last statement. Your getting frustrated and angry again, if you dont want to debate dont, just leave and dont bother with your half assed arguments and trolling.

Mario can breathe in space because of the Luma under his hat. And yes, I agreed that he can move blood, but only towards him. He cannot manipulate it in any direction he wishes. There's nothing that hard to get about it. It isn't irrelevant, because there are things in the way of the blood. You cannot ignore that. That you would choose to try shows your bias.

You lacked a counter argument.

You also remain bad at interpreting language. I mentioned this yesterday, it's ironic that you choose to argue for LoK games when they use language so figuratively. I am about as far from angry and frustrated as I can be.

I also haven't trolled you at all. 😐

If you wish to continue ignoring the rest of the team then let's just move on to the next round. Do you think Kain can kill Rundas, Articuno and Ice Mario in under five minutes? Does he have any ice spells?

The one part that pretty much makes up the whole calculation. Once I have the calculation, all I have to do is put in the figuires. My math was fine, I have your calculation, I have the actual feat, theres nothing more to it. I dont know where you got those random figuires from to try and discredit me, from thin air? probably is my guess.

Also, those numbers are:
180 000 Raziels strength based on his best feat.
1 500 000 Kain's strength you suggested at one point. You added over a million joules to Raziel's strength. This is obviously wrong.