Kain vs Team

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Mario can breathe in space because of the Luma under his hat. And yes, I agreed that he can move blood, but only towards him. He cannot manipulate it in any direction he wishes. There's nothing that hard to get about it. It isn't irrelevant, because there are things in the way of the blood. You cannot ignore that. That you would choose to try shows your bias.

You lacked a counter argument.

You also remain bad at interpreting language. I mentioned this yesterday, it's ironic that you choose to argue for LoK games when they use language so figuratively. I am about as far from angry and frustrated as I can be.

I also haven't trolled you at all. 😐

If you wish to continue ignoring the rest of the team then let's just move on to the next round. Do you think Kain can kill Rundas, Articuno and Ice Mario in under five minutes? Does he have any ice spells?

no your adding things that are not there, your addiing weaknesses and limits in degrees that make no sense. Its like using a fireball spell and you asking me to prove its beaten someone with water resistance, durability is a non factor. Kains shown he can move blood, blood will, assuming it works the way you think (magnet) move up and down arteries, every artery, through the heart, into the brain etc to try and get to kain. ofc I disagree, my assumption is different and more likely.

Yes you have, with all your ignoring of previous points. Anyone can do that, over and over again.

No I dont think Kain has any ice spells. He has energy, lightning but no ice.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Doing it correctly once doesn't mean you've done it twice.

Also, those numbers are:
180 000 Raziels strength based on his best feat.
1 500 000 Kain's strength you suggested at one point. You added over a million joules to Raziel's strength. This is obviously wrong.

Its the same calculation only with different figuires. Getting PSI is still the same. The fact I am using a different figuire would not change what I have to do with it.

I dont remember doing that, unless ofc I had a different number for Raziels "best feat" than you do. And ofc, if I took into account speed and PSI for the final figuires. I have a spreasheet in front of me now with my old workings, theres no 180k in there.

Because I was the one who gave you 180K.

Lemme go find the post.

The only thing that mires my figuires is your daft 1/144th of an inch calculation for the tip of a sword.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
K, using some rough numbers:

This took about 0.7-0.8 of a second, by my admittedly fallible human ability to measure it. You gave a mass of 50 tons.

The block moved approx 1 meter. So, 1 meter in 0.7 seconds = 10 meters in 7 seconds. 10/7 = 1.42847 meters per second. so.. in our example he'd be unable to lift it over his head, but let's use the example where he threw a block up higher (1:09), and call it 2 meters. (hard to tell, the camera is behind Raziel.) This raises it to 2.85 meters per second. So, he'd be able to lift /about/ that much weight overhead.

Let's go ahead anyway:

If K = 1/2mv^2 then K = 184215.2012... joules. (lulz, 2012!)

Now, we know his joule output, K, so we can do...

m=2K/v^2

K = 184215.20126615
and v = 3 (what we decided a character coudl lift over their head.)

so m =:

40936.711392478 kilogram
90250.000000001 pound
40.936711392478 ton metric
45.125000000001 ton short

For Raziel to lift.

Above.

The only thing that mires my figuires is your daft 1/144th of an inch calculation for the tip of a sword.

Actually, it was 144th of a square foot is a square inch, which yields PSI.

Dividing by that number gives huge and unreal figuires.

I take it you're judging the blocks weight on the closest looking type of rock? As well as assuming its not hollow?

At BT then.

Only if you forget to divide the force as well.

I take it you're judging the blocks weight on the closest looking type of rock? As well as assuming its not hollow?

Ask BT, he said it was 50 tons, I just ran with it for the sake of doing math. I should math the blocks myself sometime.

Originally posted by Burning thought
no your adding things that are not there, your addiing weaknesses and limits in degrees that make no sense. Its like using a fireball spell and you asking me to prove its beaten someone with water resistance, durability is a non factor. Kains shown he can move blood, blood will, assuming it works the way you think (magnet) move up and down arteries, every artery, through the heart, into the brain etc to try and get to kain. ofc I disagree, my assumption is different and more likely.

Yes you have, with all your ignoring of previous points. Anyone can do that, over and over again.

No I dont think Kain has any ice spells. He has energy, lightning but no ice.

How is that like it at all? I'm telling you to prove that someone who has pulled blood through human flesh can pull it through something stronger than human flesh. Even a centimeter of steel would do. There's an extreme difference. And assuming you are right, it means Kain's blood pulling strength is even weaker, as it would follow the path of the veins to the front of a person's body because it can't escape, to where he created an opening on the person's body. So yeah, the veins of a human would be sufficient to hold blood away. 😐

I haven't ignored anything. Notice how my replies are not always the same, they merely work towards the same point.

Without ice spells, Kain is extremely vulnerable to Metroids. They'll avoid Mario all together because he's coated in ice, Articuno as well is extremely cold. Rundas can put up some ice armor, so they'll likely avoid him as well. That means it'll end up being Kain vs Metroids. So unless he can muster the power of some Samus weaponry, he is completely boned.

So, Kain has to kill them all in 5 minutes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I take it you're judging the blocks weight on the closest looking type of rock? As well as assuming its not hollow?

We (me and bloodrain) judged it on what materials are usually used for building with. Found out the desnity based on height and etc etc.

So you're basing it on baseless assumptions? Okay.

Originally posted by Burning thought
We (me and bloodrain) judged it on what materials are usually used for building with. Found out the desnity based on height and etc etc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So your basing it on baseless assumptions? Okay.

Nah.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
How is that like it at all? I'm telling you to prove that someone who has pulled blood through human flesh can pull it through something stronger than human flesh. Even a centimeter of steel would do. There's an extreme difference. And assuming you are right, it means Kain's blood pulling strength is even weaker, as it would follow the path of the veins to the front of a person's body because it can't escape, to where he created an opening on the person's body. So yeah, the veins of a human would be sufficient to hold blood away. 😐

I haven't ignored anything. Notice how my replies are not always the same, they merely work towards the same point.

Without ice spells, Kain is extremely vulnerable to Metroids. They'll avoid Mario all together because he's coated in ice, Articuno as well is extremely cold. Rundas can put up some ice armor, so they'll likely avoid him as well. That means it'll end up being Kain vs Metroids. So unless he can muster the power of some Samus weaponry, he is completely boned.

So, Kain has to kill them all in 5 minutes.

Your asking for physical feats about a magic spell that does not strike anything physically. Its magic resistance at its finest, its like resisting a curse, Bowser cant. It sprays blood out through the body, the sorcery obviously creates the holes itself through magical, not physcial means as its not striking anything. Yet still draws enough blood to kill.

Why? when has a metroid taken lightning or blood powers? youve not really explained that much of what a metroid is tbh.

5 minutes is a long time for Kain, a short time for them.

Why? when has a metroid taken lightning or blood powers? youve not really explained that much of what a metroid is tbh.

What is it though? whats it made of? how big is it, how fast etc etc

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
How is that like it at all? I'm telling you to prove that someone who has pulled blood through human flesh can pull it through something stronger than human flesh. Even a centimeter of steel would do. There's an extreme difference. And assuming you are right, it means Kain's blood pulling strength is even weaker, as it would follow the path of the veins to the front of a person's body because it can't escape, to where he created an opening on the person's body. So yeah, the veins of a human would be sufficient to hold blood away. 😐

I haven't ignored anything. Notice how my replies are not always the same, they merely work towards the same point.

Without ice spells, Kain is extremely vulnerable to Metroids. They'll avoid Mario all together because he's coated in ice, Articuno as well is extremely cold. Rundas can put up some ice armor, so they'll likely avoid him as well. That means it'll end up being Kain vs Metroids. So unless he can muster the power of some Samus weaponry, he is completely boned.

So, Kain has to kill them all in 5 minutes.

Truthfully unless Mario, Articuno, and Rundas can reach near absolute zero tempatures I seriously doubt that even they, will survive against the metroids. Rundas will probably be the only survivor.

Edit: he'd be able to escape, but not kill any.

Metroid is the ultimate warrior, created to be a predator of the X parasite, it will latch on to any subject and quickly drain their entire life force. Sizes range from 1 meter(baby metroid) to OMFG!!!(Queen Metroid). The only known survivors of a Metroid attack are Mother Brain, and Samus. Ridley is suggested to have encountered them but it's never shown.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your asking for physical feats about a magic spell that does not strike anything physically. Its magic resistance at its finest, its like resisting a curse, Bowser cant. It sprays blood out through the body, the sorcery obviously creates the holes itself through magical, not physcial means as its not striking anything. Yet still draws enough blood to kill.

Why? when has a metroid taken lightning or blood powers? youve not really explained that much of what a metroid is tbh.

5 minutes is a long time for Kain, a short time for them.

You said Kain created a hole for the blood to escape through using magic. It's not some kind of dimensional portal, it'd be a tear in the body which he created. To make this tear he has to have feats that he could tear said body. He has no feats for this.

Samus has a Wave Beam. Metroids don't have blood. A Metroid is an energy based, parasitic creature. It's only know weakness is extreme cold. Metroids latch onto prey and suck out "life energy" (soul), which, by the way, is an immaterial energy. The only way for Samus to get a Metroid off of her is to go into Morph Ball and lay a bomb. Samus is one of the few people who can survive Metroid attacks because of that.

So you have that. Now imagine hundreds of them, and throw them at Kain.

If you say so. To be honest I'm doubting he can kill Rundas.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You said Kain created a hole for the blood to escape through using magic. It's not some kind of dimensional portal, it'd be a tear in the body which he created. To make this tear he has to have feats that he could tear said body. He has no feats for this.

Samus has a Wave Beam. Metroids don't have blood. A Metroid is an energy based, parasitic creature. It's only know weakness is extreme cold. Metroids latch onto prey and suck out "life energy" (soul), which, by the way, is an immaterial energy. The only way for Samus to get a Metroid off of her is to go into Morph Ball and lay a bomb. Samus is one of the few people who can survive Metroid attacks because of that.

So you have that. Now imagine hundreds of them, and throw them at Kain.

If you say so. To be honest I'm doubting he can kill Rundas.

I think thats how he does it, only he uses magic, not a physical strike using forces. Therefore durability is null.

Apprently their just floating jellyfish that drain energy (kain does not use energy, or energy weapons). Whats stopping Kain from just bleeding them dry? or just slicing them with his weapon of choice the reaver? considering tehy apprently drain so much energy, or possibly souls then they are probably weak to soul attacks.

He could just inspire hate and have them all kill eachother.

http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Metroid_(Species)

Bleeding them dry? They have no blood.

they'll drain his enegry

wait does kain have enegry? being a vampire and all