HOM Wanda vs. Thanos w/ IG

Originally posted by quanchi112
Terrible comparison. What from that panel suggests it matters what the size of the target is for the ig to be unable to manipulate it?

You ignore things while I don't. You say outdated simply because you realize you don't have a legit argument.

Magus was also minus the reality gem and still did so.

Yes, dey did. Un stayed der same.

You ignore that Ironman wtfpwned a miniscule manifestation of the Infinity Gems' power. Guess by your standards, Ironman > IG.

Magus lacking the Reality Gem doesn't transform his arguable manipulation of a marble-sized sphere into manipulation of a Multiverse-blast. Think.

Dem Infinity Nuts didn't change. Only how they were used. Just like the UN. shocklaugh

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Again there is ZERO proof either through narration or depiction that the nullification potency changes just because you nullify a larger area. Show me any scan that speaks or depicts this being the case. More energy to cover a larger area, is just that, more energy needed. That doesn't however make whatever is nullified in said area nullified more potently.

This is basic logic.
Your saying... ooo once the size is increased things within that are nullified to a greater degree..
wtf.. PROOF of this.

Coupled that with there is no evidence it requires any more energy. I'm conceding that point because it's not worth arguing over. Point is... more energy is needed to cover more area.. cool.. things aren't nullified to a greater degree just because your increasing the area. The more energy goes towards covering a larger area.. not also going to doing so more potently.

Furthermore, M. Thor didn't do jack to Thanos with the IG.. all he did was tank a blast from Thanos for whatever reason. He didn't hurt or beat Thanos in any way. Now compare that with what Magus and the IG did to Quasar and the UN and they are totally different.

You've already conceded the UN didn't get an increase in power from one story to the next. It was always able to do destroy and recreate the multiverse, even when it confronted Magus. Thus what you can't get around and what Starlin laid out as clear as say is the direct narration letting us know which is more powerful... Quasar finds out the word ULTIMATE and little meaning in this matchup... with BUT A THOUGHT the IG turns the universe MOST POWERFUL weapon upon its user. It's simple and plain as day which is more powerful.

^ Admit yet that in your many arguments with GalacticStorm over the UN's power in Abraxas, that he was right the entire time and you were wrong the entire time so that I can actually take your 180 degree switch in position seriously?

No... ? Not yet? Figures. stoned

^^ Still not a single shred of on panel and/or handbook proof to prove your point.

Nice.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

^ Admit yet that in your many arguments with GalacticStorm over the UN's power in Abraxas, that he was right the entire time and you were wrong the entire time so that I can actually take your 180 degree switch in position seriously?

No... ? Not yet? Figures.

Instead of focusing on the point, you're concentrating on unrelated shit

But if it takes addressing this crap that has nothing to do with this thread, then fine,
GS was right.
Oh God, let me jump out the window for I may have been wrong. dur

Back on topic now.

What freed Abraxas to allow him to begin collapsing the Multiverse?

The death of 616 Galactus.

Why was the Multiverse collapsing?

Because Abraxas was collapsing it.

What does the UN primarily do?

It nullifies its target and ALL the past actions of said target.

So what happens if you nullify Abraxas?

The Multiverse returns to its prior state before Abraxas appeared.

And what state was that?

A Multiverse that was NOT collapsing, with an Abraxas imprisoned again.
And thus inturn Galactus would also be alive again since Abraxas was never freed.

Simple. 🙂

The UN did not recreate the Multiverse,
the UN nullified Abraxas, and as a side affect,
the Multiverse was recreated to the point before Abraxas was freed,
and since he was never freed, Galactus never died.

This is why we see Eternity/Infinity being recreated AFTER Abraxas gets hit by the UN.

Now, in the hands of a Multiversal cosmic like Abraxas with cosmic scale awareness,
the UN could've wacked the Multiverse. (Reed's words)
But in the hands of Reed who has a non-cosmic consciousness, this can't happen.

The UN's mighty feat is not erasing and/or re-creating the Multiverse,
it's erasing a Multiversal power like Abraxas.

This is why
the UN was used in the past to rub out the concept of Death across an entire Universe
by simply nullifying the human sized female stature of Mistress Death's M-body. (a 5'5'' skeletal figure)

^

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're the one willfully ignoring On Panel artistic depictions and character statements:

AGAIN ... bull shit aside!

The entire Multiverse was folding because of Abraxas:

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"

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Again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart:

"[B]creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

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Finally what does this lead to?

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"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

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What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!

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Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse:

UN erases the Multiverse:

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant:

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Is the UN capable of erasing the Multiverse?

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"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,
He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

✅ [/B]

^^ All those scans prove, is that I overlooked THEN,
that Reed specifically stated Abraxas could collpase the Multiverse with the UN, NOT himself. 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

^ At least I finally for an admission from you, that for months across many threads, you admit that GalacticStorm was right this entire time and you were wrong this entire time on what the UN did in Abraxas. That outright admission was all I needed for me to take this 180 degree turn-around of your's seriously. Frankly, couldn't care less about you apologizing to GalacticStorm for your tirades. That's between you and him. Turning to the argument at hand, chew on that post for starters.

If you couldn't care less, why you swinging on my nuts so much about it? Get off the dillsnik.

99% of my famous debates with GS I won, so chew on these nuts for sweating me so.

Originally posted by Mr Master
All those scans prove, is that I overlooked THEN, that Reed specifically stated Abraxas could collpase the Multiverse with the UN, NOT himself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never apologized to anyone.

If you couldn't care less, why you swinging on my nuts so much about it? Get off the dillsnik.

99% of my famous debates with GS I won, so chew on these nuts for sweating me so.

I told you at first, to admit you were wrong and then apologize to GalacticStorm for all your nutty tirades and then join forces with him before coming back at me with this 180 degree heel-face turn. I was facetious about the latter two.

Don't bore me with tooting your own horn over your "famous debates" victories over GalacticStorm. According to you, he was right and you were wrong on this issue. And that admission is the only reason I'm entertaining this argument since it indicates genuity. The only nuts people hugging here are dem Infinity Nuts. So much so, you yourself had to reverse a years-old position you tightly guarded when dem Infinity Nuts' "position" in the grand hierarchy of things became imminently endangered. Comedy.

Look at the scans posted. They're revealing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

So how does you acknowledging the UN could collapse the Multiverse with the UN prove that the UN didn't collapse the Multiverse?

The UN is dependent on the consciosness of the wielder in terms of scope,
and ONLY scope since the UN does not and never has veried in power output.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Don't have to, to me at least for now.
Like I said, that's between you and GalacticStorm.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

I told you at first, to admit you were wrong and then apologize to GalacticStorm for all your nutty tirades and then join forces with him before coming back at me with this 180 degree heel-face turn. I was facetious about the latter two.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Don't bore me with tooting your own horn over your "famous debates" victories over GalacticStorm. According to you, he was right and you were wrong on this issue. And that admission is the only reason I'm entertaining this argument since it indicates genuity. The only nuts people hugging here are dem Infinity Nuts. So much so, you yourself had to reverse a years-old position you tightly guarded when dem Infinity Nuts' "position" in the grand hierarchy of things became imminently endangered. Comedy.

That aside, if you're gonna linger around my croch area
like involving GS in a debate that has nothing to do with you or now,
this is going nowhere fast.

So get back on topic, keep your one track mind, concede, or ignore me. 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Look at the scans posted. They're revealing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No-limit fallacy, again. Also... Maelstrom. kinda

You ignore that Ironman wtfpwned a miniscule manifestation of the Infinity Gems' power. Guess by your standards, Ironman > IG.

Magus lacking the Reality Gem doesn't transform his arguable manipulation of a marble-sized sphere into manipulation of a Multiverse-blast. Think.

Dem Infinity Nuts didn't change. Only how they were used. Just like the UN. shocklaugh

Ironman couldn't pwn the gems after Thanos quest revealed their true purpose and power but the ig could still pwn the un after it's power remained the same so your comparison is another terrible one which caters to ignorance alone.

It doesn't matter how big the size is as the blast would nullify whatever it hit and if it were bigger it could still be manipulated with a thought. You really are just restating ignorance at this point.

Un still nullifies targets while the ig showed complete mastery over time, etc.

ODG you have just been SERVED!

No quan their purpose never changed.You said they weren't able to "stop time and that stuff" before...yes...they were.That just wasn't known.So when their true power was reveled they were used differently.Thats it.Nothing else.Thanos changed the way they were used and thats the most change they ever got.

ODG I see your still equating size to power.Somehow you think a bigger blast nullifies things to a greater extent.Guess what? 😱 That doesn't happen.Their power levels change because naturally it takes more power to nullify a bigger area but thats all that changes.The potency(the extent to which things are nulified)doesn't change.It's not that hard to comprehend.

And nice job ignoring all mr. masters said NOW and just focusing on what he said THEN!!!Man...you are worse then quan sometimes.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
ODG you have just been SERVED!

No quan their purpose never changed.You said they weren't able to "stop time and that stuff" before...yes...they were.That just wasn't known.So when their true power was reveled they were used differently.Thats it.Nothing else.Thanos changed the way they were used and thats the most change they ever got.

ODG I see your still equating size to power.Somehow you think a bigger blast nullifies things to a greater extent.Guess what? 😱 That doesn't happen.Their power levels change because naturally it takes more power to nullify a bigger area but thats all that changes.The potency(the extent to which things are nulified)doesn't change.It's not that hard to comprehend.

And nice job ignoring all mr. masters said NOW and just focusing on what he said THEN!!!Man...you are worse then quan sometimes.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hate to break it to you BB, but mincing words in an attempt to throw out an actually well thought out argument isn't solid debating.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What words am I mincing?

Its hilarious how you and Mr Master are trying desperately not to admit that there was a clear difference in the power of the Magus/Quasar incident and the later incident in the Abraxas Arc.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty much your entire hamfisted power/output spiel.

Its hilarious how you and Mr Master are trying desperately not to admit that there was a clear difference in the power of the Magus/Quasar incident and the later incident in the Abraxas Arc.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
There was a clear power differnce.And that differnce is in the scope.It's not like nullifying the multiverse(big nullifying sphere)makes the blast more powerful and nullifies things to a greater extent.So since incomplete IG wtfpwned UN then complete IG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UN.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except it does. Greater scope would logically demand more power.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
ODG you have just been SERVED!

No quan their purpose never changed.You said they weren't able to "stop time and that stuff" before...yes...they were.That just wasn't known.So when their true power was reveled they were used differently.Thats it.Nothing else.Thanos changed the way they were used and thats the most change they ever got.

ODG I see your still equating size to power.Somehow you think a bigger blast nullifies things to a greater extent.Guess what? 😱 That doesn't happen.Their power levels change because naturally it takes more power to nullify a bigger area but thats all that changes.The potency(the extent to which things are nulified)doesn't change.It's not that hard to comprehend.

And nice job ignoring all mr. masters said NOW and just focusing on what he said THEN!!!Man...you are worse then quan sometimes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Already did, now try and prove me wrong.

The UN is dependent on the consciosness of the wielder in terms of scope, and ONLY scope since the UN does not and never has veried in power output.

What's a more powerful manifestation of the UN's power? An atom-sized sphere or a Multiverse-sized blast that nullfiies and recreates? Simple question. crackers

Originally posted by Mr Master
You keep saying that, and yet you continue focusing on my so called "tirades" with him, again, get off the dillsnik. Still here I see.
You been boring me since I can remember with your extensive empty opinions based on unrelated analogies, and self built scenarios that cater to your perspective. So I guess the feeling is mutual.

That aside, if you're gonna linger around my croch area like involving GS in a debate that has nothing to do with you or now, this is going nowhere fast.

So get back on topic, keep your one track mind, concede, or ignore me. Meaningless. I could bring up a host of posts from seasoned debaters who have changed their minds through out the years, it means nothing. It's debates like these involving intransigence where one discovers other avenues of conclusions.

The persistent obnoxiousness evinces an insecurity I haven't seen rivaled by any other poster. You're the one flip-flopping your position to suit your arguments, with a blustering sense of self-accomplishment. Exactly how accomplished are you supposed to feel when you realize you've been wrong this entire time?

You haven't addressed a single one of the scans I posted. So it ain't my fault this is going nowhere fast. shocklaugh

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have already explained the Maelstrom blast. You continue to repost the same arguments with no weight to them at all. A blast like that can't just easily beat someone of Maelstrom's power level just like I don't see it easily beating Galactus or anyone on that level either. With continued effort to focus on Maelstrom I see no reason to believe why he could continue to mock Thanos since he has defeated far greater power on panel and the fact Maelstrom quickly left right afterwards.

Ironman couldn't pwn the gems after Thanos quest revealed their true purpose and power but the ig could still pwn the un after it's power remained the same so your comparison is another terrible one which caters to ignorance alone.

It doesn't matter how big the size is as the blast would nullify whatever it hit and if it were bigger it could still be manipulated with a thought. You really are just restating ignorance at this point.

Un still nullifies targets while the ig showed complete mastery over time, etc.

Ig-wielder can't pwn a Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast after Abraxas revealed its true utility and full power. Sorry, but manipulating a marble-sized sphere =/= manipulating a Multiverse-wide destruction/recreation blast.

UN recreates that which it nullifies now. Pretending like this isn't a complete revelation that was never discovered until Abraxas is futility.