ODG you say that Quasar was limiting the IG's true power.What he used WAS it's true power.When reed used it he didn't nullify things to a greater or lesser extent.He just increased the scope.Yes naturally making the nullification sphere bigger would require more energy but only to increase the scope.So when incomplete IG owned UN that WAS it's true power and IG was able to maniuplate it's energies.Complete IG would stomp UN 10/10.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What's the name of the story where Doom had the IG and fought the Celestials with it, finally destroying them after millions of years of combat?Because if that's in continuity and applies at all to the 616 IG then it really is a strike against any "IG grants total Omnipotence" claims.
Was that lately?? Like 2009 or 08 comic?? I got that somewhere I'll look for it if thats it..
Originally posted by quanchi112Because Maelstrom was immune to an infintesimally miniscule manifestation of the IG's power, by your standards, he's immune to its full power also. We also saw UN accomplish an exponentially greater feat than the IG so you don't have a point. So if you want to keep your standards, i.e., dealing with infinitesimally miniscule manifestation of power = dealing with exponentially more poweful manifestation, than Maelstrom > IG. Easily. It's that simple. You can't have it both ways.
Because Maelstrom survived and left doesn't mean anything. We saw Thanos defeat someone of a higher power level than Maelstrom at that point so you don't have a point. We also saw Magus who just acquired the gems to be able to pwn the un with but a thought minus a key component, the reality gem. I mean come on.
Originally posted by quanchi112The power level changed because one's a marble-sized sphere and the other is a Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast. This isn't rocket science.
The un's power level doesn't change is the whole huge error of your argument here. If you proved the power level changed then we can talk but it's energies were manipulated and made no mention of this only occurring due to the size of the blast.You have to prove the ig wielder can't pwn it with a thought because we already saw someone do so immediately without the reality gem. You made a claim and you have to prove it since we have already seen it on panel done so quickly and easily.
You have to prove that dealing with a slowly expanding marble-sized nullification sphere is the same as dealing with an instantaneous Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. Or, alternatively, that the IG is capable of instant Multiverse-wide feats. You made a claim and you have to prove it since we already see that the UN's greatest feat demonstrates exponentially greater power than the IG. On-panel.
Originally posted by quanchi112Indeed, dealing with a slowly expanding nullification sphere is a piece of cake apparently. Dumbing yourself down and shallowly suggesting that means it would be just as easy a piece of cake to deal with an instaneous Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast is retarded. This isn't the only angle I can attack your hypocritical double-standard with. Just the most blatantly obvious. Continue to feign ignorance.
It recreating doesn't change the fact it's main function is nullification. You seem to think it can nullify the ig user but we have seen otherwise. Magus had them what for a few moments at best minus the reality gem and it was a piece of cake. The funny thing is it takes time to adjust to this level of power and even without a key functioning component Magus did so immediately.
Originally posted by Black bolt zNo. Quasar didn't use its "true power." Quasar used one of its functions, i.e., physical nullification, and limited it to a slowly expanding marble-sized sphere. Quasar (if he were adept, and cognizant of the level of power he was facing, and aware of the true power of the UN) could have chosen to fire an instantaneous Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast. So no, Magus did not deal with its "true power."
ODG you say that Quasar was limiting the IG's true power.What he used WAS it's true power.When reed used it he didn't nullify things to a greater or lesser extent.He just increased the scope.Yes naturally making the nullification sphere bigger would require more energy but only to increase the scope.So when incomplete IG owned UN that WAS it's true power and IG was able to maniuplate it's energies.Complete IG would stomp UN 10/10.
This is made obvious by the following: There is a huge hole in your own logic. You act like that marble-sized sphere was just as powerful a manfiestation of the UN's power as a Multiverse destroying/recreating blast. Because the UN can only do one thing, i.e., nullify. However, even you must see that's clearly wrong. Because it can do three things irrespective of "the size" or "the scope" you farcically focus on: (i) UN can physically nullify its target (as it has before); (ii) UN can physically nullify its target and all of the target's past actions completely (as described on-panel, just never actually done); (iii) UN can do all those things AND THEN RECREATE what was nullified; and to a lesser extent (iv) UN can do all those things slowly or instantaneously. Three distinct things (arguably four). Three distinctly different results (arguably four). What happened in Infinity War was the first thing.
This is all on-panel. You cannot argue that. The UN can achieve different results on the same target, wholly irrespective of size/scope (which YOU yourself says doesn't matter). In short, your idea that the slowly expanding marble-sized sphere was the UN's true power is patently false. It can do more than that, i.e., nullify the target's past actions completely in addition, wholly recreate said target, and/or do all of that instantaneously. Accordingly, your arguments are moot.
Frankly, I am embarassed that I had to even entertain this ridiculous intransigiency over how a slowly expanding marble-sized sphere is equal in power to a Multiverse destroying/recreating blast. As I said before, once I maneuvered you all into having to concede such a notion, I thought the debate was over. Never thought the intransigiency could elevate to such a level. Nevertheless, your arguments are patently incorrect on several levels. This is just another one. And I have more if you want to continue defending this farce.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The un's power was still set to nullify it's target and you need to prove he powered down the blast to a different level to continue with this made up theory of yours.
Because Maelstrom was immune to an infintesimally miniscule manifestation of the IG's power, by your standards, he's immune to its full power also. We also saw UN accomplish an exponentially greater feat than the IG so you don't have a point. So if you want to keep your standards, i.e., dealing with infinitesimally miniscule manifestation of power = dealing with exponentially more poweful manifestation, than Maelstrom > IG. Easily. It's that simple. You can't have it both ways. The power level changed because one's a marble-sized sphere and the other is a Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast. This isn't rocket science.You have to prove that dealing with a slowly expanding marble-sized nullification sphere is the same as dealing with an instantaneous Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. Or, alternatively, that the IG is capable of instant Multiverse-wide feats. You made a claim and you have to prove it since we already see that the UN's greatest feat demonstrates exponentially greater power than the IG. On-panel. Indeed, dealing with a slowly expanding nullification sphere is a piece of cake apparently. Dumbing yourself down and shallowly suggesting that means it would be just as easy a piece of cake to deal with an instaneous Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast is retarded. This isn't the only angle I can attack your hypocritical double-standard with. Just the most blatantly obvious. Continue to feign ignorance.
Your logic is ridiculous like most of your statements.
The scope has changed but how did the power level change? Prove the un's blast can be powered down to different levels.
So if a later feat completely dismisses matchups on panel despite the fact you can't prove the ig can't replicate it? Wow.
To ODG you say that Ig cannot handle the full power(multiverse blast) of the UN.Exactly how do you know this?The IG might very well have the power to contain this blast especially with the reality gem.
To quan the power levels do change.It uses more power to increase the scope because naturally you would need more power to cover a large enough area.None of the power is used on nullifying because it can't nullify things to a greater extent.
^ No limit fallacy, again? Well in that case let me use it too: the UN might very well be even exponentially more powerful than it already has demonstrated itself to be. So if you assume without any proof that the IG could match the UN's demonstrated power in Abraxas, well then I assume without any proof that the UN could exponentially surpass that demonstrated power in Abraxas. So my no limit fallacy beats your's. How droll.
It can nullify things to a greater extent. Yes, it can nullify its target physically. But it can also nullify all the past actions of its target. It can also recreate its target. It can also do so slowly or instantaneously. On-panel. And that's despite ya'll popping stupid pills and acting like nullifying an atom is just as powerful as nullifying a Multiverse. You make baby Jesus cry when you think thoughts like that. But it's irrelevant, you're still wrong on several other levels.
Originally posted by quanchi112Quasar purposefully limited the power of the UN. It could have destroyed the universe, he manage to let loose a tiny marble-sized sphere. That's your proof.
The un's power was still set to nullify it's target and you need to prove he powered down the blast to a different level to continue with this made up theory of yours.Your logic is ridiculous like most of your statements.
The scope has changed but how did the power level change? Prove the un's blast can be powered down to different levels.
So if a later feat completely dismisses matchups on panel despite the fact you can't prove the ig can't replicate it? Wow.
Sorry if you cannot get over your own exposed double-standards. Maelstrom was immune to a miniscule manifestation of the IG's power, so by your standards, Maelstrom > IG. Do you like the quanchilogic?
One power level: slowly expanding marble-sized sphere. Another power level: instantaneous Multiverse-wide nullifying/RECREATING blast. Don't ignore what's on-panel.
We don't ignore on-panel facts (except you, maybe). Trying to couple a negative proof fallacy coupled with no limit fallacy isn't like two wrongs making a right. It's just you being twice as wrong in the same breath.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThe power level doesn't change as any blast can level a universe.
To ODG you say that Ig cannot handle the full power(multiverse blast) of the UN.Exactly how do you know this?The IG might very well have the power to contain this blast especially with the reality gem.To quan the power levels do change.It uses more power to increase the scope because naturally you would need more power to cover a large enough area.None of the power is used on nullifying because it can't nullify things to a greater extent.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, the uiverse wasn't his target but the power level was still able to destroy the universe itself it was only reduced in size.
^ No limit fallacy, again? Well in that case let me use it too: the UN might very well be even exponentially more powerful than it already has demonstrated itself to be. So if you assume without any proof that the IG could match the UN's demonstrated power in Abraxas, well then I assume without any proof that the UN could exponentially surpass that demonstrated power in Abraxas. So my no limit fallacy beats your's. How droll.It can nullify things to a greater extent. Yes, it can nullify its target physically. But it can also nullify all the past actions of its target. It can also recreate its target. It can also do so slowly or instantaneously. On-panel. And that's despite ya'll popping stupid pills and acting like nullifying an atom is just as powerful as nullifying a Multiverse. You make baby Jesus cry when you think thoughts like that. But it's irrelevant, you're still wrong on several other levels. Quasar purposefully limited the power of the UN. It could have destroyed the universe, he manage to let loose a tiny marble-sized sphere. That's your proof.
Sorry if you cannot get over your own exposed double-standards. Maelstrom was immune to a miniscule manifestation of the IG's power, so by your standards, Maelstrom > IG. Do you like the quanchilogic?
One power level: slowly expanding marble-sized sphere. Another power level: instantaneous Multiverse-wide nullifying/RECREATING blast. Don't ignore what's on-panel.
We don't ignore on-panel facts (except you, maybe). Trying to couple a negative proof fallacy coupled with no limit fallacy isn't like two wrongs making a right. It's just you being twice as wrong in the same breath.
Maelstrom merely tanked a blast due to his power levels but we didn't see an actual fight to determine a winner as he left. The ig raped the un user minus the reality gem so we did see a winner.
The power level doesn't reduce just the scope. Not hard to understand I would think.
he ig was explained over and over again as having no limits and having supreme/absolute power within the 616 reality so why pretend it didn't?
^ Dem Infinity Nuts' fans love those stupid pills.
Originally posted by quanchi112Any blast can level a universe? Except when the blast is a marble-sized sphere that doesn't level a universe? Or except when the blast is OE-like finder beams that doesn't level a universe? Or except when the blast only nullifies Tyrant's legs that doesn't level a universe? Or except when the blast nearly nullifies Morg and Galactus that doesn't level a universe? Or even when the blast levels an entire Multiverse and RECREATES it and it levels more than a universe? LAWLZ You do realize that every time the UN was fired, it never nullified the universe because the blast was less powerful or was more powerful?
The power level doesn't change as any blast can level a universe. Yes, the uiverse wasn't his target but the power level was still able to destroy the universe itself it was only reduced in size.Maelstrom merely tanked a blast due to his power levels but we didn't see an actual fight to determine a winner as he left. The ig raped the un user minus the reality gem so we did see a winner.
Who cares about a drawn out battle? Who cares whether we saw the IG's full power? Maelstrom was immune to an infinitesimally miniscule manifestation of the IG's power. By your logic, he'd be immune to it's fullest power. So we did see the winner. You're free to think IG > UN as long as you also believe Maelstrom > IG. Otherwise, take your hypocrisy and stow it.
Originally posted by quanchi112Setting aside your semantics over power/potency, UN can nullify the complete past of its target. Oops. Guess you were wrong. Again. doped
The power level doesn't reduce just the scope. Not hard to understand I would think.he ig was explained over and over again as having no limits and having supreme/absolute power within the 616 reality so why pretend it didn't?
No limits except when it came to Maelstrom? Or penetrating Grandmaster's mind? Or dealing with Adam Warlock from within the Soul Gem? UN when used properly hasn't shown any limits. It is "The most powerful weapon ever known." Reed's own words. Reed also knew about the IG. Try to not rely purely on outdated stories just because they're your favorite. You need to keep up with the times, kid. Indeed, the UN surpassed it's previously known limit of pure nullification and proved it could recreate also. And you've just got served 15 lbs of rebuttal in a 5 lb bag. Have fun with your dashed arguments.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Because the scope was altered not the power level.
^ Dem Infinity Nuts' fans love those stupid pills. Any blast can level a universe? Except when the blast is a marble-sized sphere that doesn't level a universe? Or except when the blast is OE-like finder beams that doesn't level a universe? Or except when the blast only nullifies Tyrant's legs that doesn't level a universe? Or except when the blast nearly nullifies Morg and Galactus that doesn't level a universe? Or even when the blast levels an entire Multiverse and RECREATES it and it levels more than a universe? LAWLZ You do realize that every time the UN was fired, it never nullified the universe because the blast was less powerful or was more powerful?Who cares about a drawn out battle? Who cares whether we saw the IG's full power? Maelstrom was immune to an infinitesimally miniscule manifestation of the IG's power. By your logic, he'd be immune to it's fullest power. So we did see the winner. You're free to think IG > UN as long as you also believe Maelstrom > IG. Otherwise, take your hypocrisy and stow it. Setting aside your semantics over power/potency, UN can nullify the complete past of its target. Oops. Guess you were wrong. Again. doped
No limits except when it came to Maelstrom? Or penetrating Grandmaster's mind? Or dealing with Adam Warlock from within the Soul Gem? UN when used properly hasn't shown any limits. It is "[b]The most powerful weapon ever known
." Reed's own words. Reed also knew about the IG. Try to not rely purely on outdated stories just because they're your favorite. You need to keep up with the times, kid. Indeed, the UN surpassed it's previously known limit of pure nullification and proved it could recreate also. And you've just got served 15 lbs of rebuttal in a 5 lb bag. Have fun with your dashed arguments. [/B]
If it's not set to a certain target it has the power to level a universe which isn't hard to determine unless you are odg with all your wold theories.
So taking one blast means your immune? Wow, get a load of the logic from this guy. Where do you come up with this terrible stuff. It makes no sense.
How is Malestrom>than the ig when he left and didn't do a thing to Thanos? The ig pwned the un without the reality gem. That's caled a win, brah.
How was I wrong?
No limits when concerned with power in this reality. That's the issue not all the irrelevant comparisons you continue to rattle off hoping one sticks.
Originally posted by quanchi112Power level was altered. Marble vs. Marvel Multiverse. Feign ignorance. You've been forced to concede that nullifying a marble is as powerful a feat as nullifying AND RECREATING the Marvel Multiverse. Do you have any idea how dumb that makes you look?
Because the scope was altered not the power level.If it's not set to a certain target it has the power to level a universe which isn't hard to determine unless you are odg with all your wold theories.
So taking one blast means your immune? Wow, get a load of the logic from this guy. Where do you come up with this terrible stuff. It makes no sense.
It has the potential power. Always. But then you limit it. For example, Quasar limited it to nullifying a marble. This isn't hard to determine unless you are quanchi112 with all your wold theories.
This is your logic, nimrod. It makes no sense because it's your logic, nimrod. Did you just make fun of me for repeating your arguments again? By your logic, being immune to single hand-blast = being immune to full power of IG, just like manipulating a marble-sized sphere = manipulating a Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. Christ.
Originally posted by quanchi112That's called winning over a marble-sized sphere. And if this argument were about IG vs. marble-sized sphere nullification sphere. You'd have a point. But it's not. So you don't.
How is Malestrom>than the ig when he left and didn't do a thing to Thanos? The ig pwned the un without the reality gem. That's caled a win, brah.How was I wrong?
No limits when concerned with power in this reality. That's the issue not all the irrelevant comparisons you continue to rattle off hoping one sticks.
How isn't anything you've attempted here not wrong? Example: you said the UN's power is to nullify its target and since it can't change that it simply nullifies, its power doesn't change no matter the scope involved. Setting aside how retarded "nullifying marble = nullifying Multiverse" is, you forgot that the UN can nullify its target's past actions completely. So its power against its target can change. You also forgot that it can recreate said target. So its power against its target can change. You were wrong. On several levels on top of your power/potency/scope semantics. Good job.
IG was limited against poewrs in this reality, e.g., Maelstrom, Grandmaster, and Adam Warlock within the Soul Gem. Poor quaneuver. You keep rattling off outdated and completely unproven flowery purple prose to support your argument. And you can keep ignoring it but my flowery purple prose still beats your's since Reed stated about the UN: "The most powerful weapon ever known." Reed experienced and knew the power of the IG. Sorry, but this is an on-panel comparison that is updated.
And that's in addition to the UN performing an exponentially more powerful feat, i.e., nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly. Which is in addition to your double-standards over Maelstrom not being superior to the IG by your own logic. Do you like having your fantasies shattered? Blame it on yourself. I never forced you to make ham-fisted arguments like "nullifying a marble = to nullifying/RECREATING the Marvel Multiverse."
You don't have a single viable argument. There's a reason I took this position. Several, in fact. Time to get over it, kid.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0False. The blast's power level didn't change the size of it did. Geez.
Power level was altered. Marble vs. Marvel Multiverse. Feign ignorance. You've been forced to concede that nullifying a marble is as powerful a feat as nullifying AND RECREATING the Marvel Multiverse. Do you have any idea how dumb that makes you look?It has the potential power. Always. But then you limit it. For example, Quasar limited it to nullifying a marble. This isn't hard to determine unless you are quanchi112 with all your wold theories.
This is your logic, nimrod. It makes no sense because it's your logic, nimrod. Did you just make fun of me for repeating your arguments again? By your logic, being immune to single hand-blast = being immune to full power of IG, just like manipulating a marble-sized sphere = manipulating a Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. Christ. That's called winning over a marble-sized sphere. And if this argument were about IG vs. marble-sized sphere nullification sphere. You'd have a point. But it's not. So you don't.
How isn't anything you've attempted here [b]not
wrong? Example: you said the UN's power is to nullify its target and since it can't change that it simply nullifies, its power doesn't change no matter the scope involved. Setting aside how retarded "nullifying marble = nullifying Multiverse" is, you forgot that the UN can nullify its target's past actions completely. So its power against its target can change. You also forgot that it can recreate said target. So its power against its target can change. You were wrong. On several levels on top of your power/potency/scope semantics. Good job.IG was limited against poewrs in this reality, e.g., Maelstrom, Grandmaster, and Adam Warlock within the Soul Gem. Poor quaneuver. You keep rattling off outdated and completely unproven flowery purple prose to support your argument. And you can keep ignoring it but my flowery purple prose still beats your's since Reed stated about the UN: "The most powerful weapon ever known." Reed experienced and knew the power of the IG. Sorry, but this is an on-panel comparison that is updated.
And that's in addition to the UN performing an exponentially more powerful feat, i.e., nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly. Which is in addition to your double-standards over Maelstrom not being superior to the IG by your own logic. Do you like having your fantasies shattered? Blame it on yourself. I never forced you to make ham-fisted arguments like "nullifying a marble = to nullifying/RECREATING the Marvel Multiverse."
You don't have a single viable argument. There's a reason I took this position. Several, in fact. Time to get over it, kid. [/B]
I am not the only one who challenges you to prove your theory. If you can't it's just a silly theory of yours isn't it?
No, I look at the whole situation. The ig defeated the un user. Maelstrom tanked a blast and left meaning we didn't see a conclusion to a battle so making it one of the worst comparisons yet you have tried to make.
It doesn't matter it can manipulate the energies it made no mention of it only being able to do so because it was due to it being on a smaller scale. Think.
We are discussing it's power to nullify which hasn't changed.
A more impressive feat doesn't override an actual comparison ie. if Thor lifts something that makes any Hulk strength look meek in comparison we don't suddenly assume Thor has finally reached his true strength do we?
You can continue to bash and make this personal as pointed out by various other posters due to your own insecurities but you can't prove one of your theories so I accept your concession, old timer.
Originally posted by quanchi112The power level changed. It instantly nullified AND INSTANTLY RECREATED the entire Marvel Multiverse as opposed to nullifying a single marble slowly. Pretending and feigning exasperation doesn't convert your position into the stronger or more obvious one.
False. The blast's power level didn't change the size of it did. Geez.I am not the only one who challenges you to prove your theory. If you can't it's just a silly theory of yours isn't it?
No, I look at the whole situation. The ig defeated the un user. Maelstrom tanked a blast and left meaning we didn't see a conclusion to a battle so making it one of the worst comparisons yet you have tried to make.
Appeal to masses... really? Do you want to know how many people would agree that nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse is a more powerful feat than nullifying a tiny marble?
The IG managed to defeat a marble-sized sphere. Being fired by Quasar who was limiting tis power and didn't even know the IG was activated. Somehow, that means IG can manipulate a Multiversal-blast of a competent UN-user who isn't limiting its power. That's idiotic. It's also a double-standard because you refuse to apply that same logic and conclude that Maelstrom > IG.
Originally posted by quanchi112Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. If somebody manipulates a tiny portion of the IG's might, does that mean you can manipulate the IG's full power simply because its not stated anywhere that it cannot? Don't be dense.
It doesn't matter it can manipulate the energies it made no mention of it only being able to do so because it was due to it being on a smaller scale. Think.We are discussing it's power to nullify which hasn't changed.
A more impressive feat doesn't override an actual comparison ie. if Thor lifts something that makes any Hulk strength look meek in comparison we don't suddenly assume Thor has finally reached his true strength do we?
You can continue to bash and make this personal as pointed out by various other posters due to your own insecurities but you can't prove one of your theories so I accept your concession, old timer.
Yes. It has. On-panel. It has nullified its target physically. It can wipe its target's past actions completely. It has recreated its target entirely. It can do any of those things slowly or instantaneously. On-panel. Do you know what that is? That's factual proof. It's something we use to support arguments. This may be a strange and new concept to you. Don't worry, we'll go more slowly next time.
Restating the same crap argument that I've already thoroughly deconstructed a few pages ago? The deconstruction didn't fade with time. It's still there. You want me to repeat it? Here: pretending that Thor can lift something a lot heavier than Hulk is not analogous to something nullifying a marble... and then nullifying the entire Marvel Multiverse... AND THEN RECREATING it on-panel. When Thor one-shots the entire Fourth Host with a sneeze, then you're approaching the exponential game-changing feat we're dealing with here. Until then, your straw-man is pathetic.
I don't hug dem Infinity Nuts. And I'm younger than you. My "kid" comment wasn't meant to disparage your age. It was meant to disparage your infantile arguments.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0To me it actually makes sense that it nullified abraxas and then the multiverse was set right.
The power level changed. It instantly nullified AND INSTANTLY RECREATED the entire Marvel Multiverse as opposed to nullifying a single marble slowly. Pretending and feigning exasperation doesn't convert your position into the stronger or more obvious one.Appeal to masses... really? Do you want to know how many people would agree that nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse is a more powerful feat than nullifying a tiny marble?
The IG managed to defeat a marble-sized sphere. Being fired by Quasar who was limiting tis power and didn't even know the IG was activated. Somehow, that means IG can manipulate a Multiversal-blast of a competent UN-user who isn't limiting its power. That's idiotic. It's also a double-standard because you refuse to apply that same logic and conclude that Maelstrom > IG. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. If somebody manipulates a tiny portion of the IG's might, does that mean you can manipulate the IG's full power simply because its not stated anywhere that it cannot? Don't be dense.
Yes. It has. On-panel. It has nullified its target physically. It can wipe its target's past actions completely. It has recreated its target entirely. It can do any of those things slowly or instantaneously. On-panel. Do you know what that is? That's factual proof. It's something we use to support arguments. This may be a strange and new concept to you. Don't worry, we'll go more slowly next time.
Restating the same crap argument that I've already thoroughly deconstructed a few pages ago? The deconstruction didn't fade with time. It's still there. You want me to repeat it? Here: pretending that Thor can lift something a lot heavier than Hulk is not analogous to something nullifying a marble... and then nullifying the entire Marvel Multiverse... AND THEN RECREATING it on-panel. When Thor one-shots the entire Fourth Host with a sneeze, then you're approaching the exponential game-changing feat we're dealing with here. Until then, your straw-man is pathetic.
I don't hug dem Infinity Nuts. And I'm younger than you. My "kid" comment wasn't meant to disparage your age. It was meant to disparage your infantile arguments.
Really though I thought it as much as you did but the word multiverse is never addressed when it states everything. It's a nice theory but it isn't a fact at all. It makes perfect sense that Abraxas was elimated to set the multiverse back in it's proper course.
It wasn't even the ig it was the ig minus the reality gem which crushes your case. The ig doesn't even need the reality gem to defeat the un. Laughs.
Maelstrom tanked a blast and left so it's comparing apples to oranges here.
It stated it can mainpulate it's energies meaning no matter how big or small they can be manipulated don't be dense here. Learn to comprehend simple sentences before attempting to challenge me in a debate you can't win.
Yes, it eliminated Abraxas' past deeds setting the multiverse back on it;s proper course so glad you agree.
The ig was minusu the reality gem and the writer rams home the fact the ig>>un while a loeb story made no mention of a comparison to the un. Hurts, eh?
Originally posted by quanchi112This is literally the third time you've switched your position on this. First you believed the UN reset the Multiverse. Then you didn't. Then you did. Now you don't. Your waffling is a tired ploy that reveals how vulnerable your logic is. You can't win the argument, so you decide to believe the exact opposite of what you formerly believed. And you managed to do it thrice-over. And you don't think that's a clear sign of screwed up your argument was in the first place? Get a clue.
To me it actually makes sense that it nullified abraxas and then the multiverse was set right.Really though I thought it as much as you did but the word multiverse is never addressed when it states everything. It's a nice theory but it isn't a fact at all. It makes perfect sense that Abraxas was elimated to set the multiverse back in it's proper course.
Theory? The damn same theory I proved to you and you admitted to after flip-flopping the first time weeks ago? Seriously, I am NOT rehashing this same bs again. Switching your position (AGAIN) because you surreptiously want to veer the burden of proof on me again to subvert the dynamic of my trashing your arguments isn't going to work. What? You're surprised how transparent your ploy is? You think you can troll your way out of losing argument? READ:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0NOW READ THIS:
Utter gibberish. I can't even follow what you just said other than you agreeing that LT had nothing to worry about. Truth. "Make things up?" Like what? That within the context of the entire Marvel Multiverse, the UN was considered the "weapon of unimaginable power" by the omniversal guardian, Roma? [b]On-panel.That Abraxas' plan was revealed and the UN was actually confirmed as being powerful enough to destroy the "combined realities of the multiverse" three issues before it actually did? On-panel.
That before Galactus was resurrected, Abraxas also confirmed that his current possession of the UN meant "not a soul in the combined universes" could stop him? On-panel.
That although Abraxas never intended to fire the UN for the same reason Reed did, Reed did fire it. And he destroyed/recreated that very same Multi-Eternity that was revealed in THAT storyline? On-panel.
Could you be more possibly ignorant that "multiverse" wasn't stated at all? Do you really need some writer to be interviewed off-panel to recognize the obvious multiversal scope and ramifications of what occurred? And you actually profess to have read this storyline? But seriously. What should I expect? When you think universe = multiverse, without multiverse even ever being stated or shown in one storyline, why should I be surprised when you think multiverse = only one universe in another storyline? Should I be surprised? Especially when it suits your own self-serving arguments? Especially when I force you to contradict your own beliefs withina debate so you can act like you have wiggle room to actually rebut my arguments? And sadly for you... these scans aren't even the half of it! What. Are. You. Thinking? [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112Stop trolling. Or stop being retarded.
Ok, I wasn't rereading this arc. I guess with the evidence it does seem to point towards a multiverse. This is the proof I have been asking for so I don't know why it took you this long to post it.
Originally posted by quanchi112It doesn't need the Reality Gem to defeat a marble-sized sphere. Hooray. 5 CCU's prevented the UN from functioning in the first place. Does that mean the 5 CCU's can manipulate/simulate a Multiverse destroying/recreating blast? Does that mean 5 CCU's are more powerful than the IG? Oh sh1t. Yes, I just went there. I told you I had several other arguments to bash your logic with.
It wasn't even the ig it was the ig minus the reality gem which crushes your case. The ig doesn't even need the reality gem to defeat the un. Laughs.Maelstrom tanked a blast and left so it's comparing apples to oranges here.
It stated it can mainpulate it's energies meaning no matter how big or small they can be manipulated don't be dense here. Learn to comprehend simple sentences before attempting to challenge me in a debate you can't win.
Now you're getting it. Comparing a slowly expanding nullification sphere to an instnaneous Multiverse-wide destroying AND RECREATING blast is comparing apples to oranges here. Did you not realize that I manipulated you into arguing against your position again?
No. It didn't state anywhere it manipulated its energies. Nowhere. Don't make sh1t up. And no, even if it manipulated a tiny marble-sized sphere, that doesn't automatically make it capable of doing the same to a Multiverse destroying/RECREATING blast. Get your no limit fallacy outta here.
Originally posted by quanchi112No. It didn't. I already explained that Abraxas' past actions weren't wiped out. FF, Watcher, Namorita and Franklin all remember what happened. Surfer is gliding around Manhattan when he shoulda been in space (where he was before being summone dby Reed). Galactus wasn't reverted to a star. Franklin had his powers exhausted for years. Valeria wasn't back with Roma. Don't be blind.
Yes, it eliminated Abraxas' past deeds setting the multiverse back on it;s proper course so glad you agree.The ig was minusu the reality gem and the writer rams home the fact the ig>>un while a loeb story made no mention of a comparison to the un. Hurts, eh?
The writer rams home the fact that the UN is "The most powerful weapon ever known." And he demonstrates it by having it achieve an exponentially more powerful feat than the IG ever did. Your butt hurts, eh?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0But like you admit it can erase a being's past actions reseting the multiverse when it takes out abraxas which makes perfect sense that it can't reset the multi but by erasing someone's actions which affected the multi in that way.
This is literally the third time you've switched your position on this. First you believed the UN reset the Multiverse. Then you didn't. Then you did. Now you don't. Your waffling is a tired ploy that reveals how vulnerable your logic is. You can't win the argument, so you decide to believe the exact opposite of what you formerly believed. And you managed to do it thrice-over. And you don't think that's a clear sign of screwed up your argument was in the first place? Get a clue.Theory? The damn same theory I proved to you and you admitted to after flip-flopping the first time weeks ago? Seriously, I am NOT rehashing this same bs again. Switching your position (AGAIN) because you surreptiously want to veer the burden of proof on me again to subvert the dynamic of my trashing your arguments isn't going to work. What? You're surprised how transparent your ploy is? You think you can troll your way out of losing argument? READ: NOW READ THIS: Stop trolling. Or stop being retarded.
I am free to change my mind as many times as I want. It's not spelled out in black and white anyways and imo had to do with Abraxas.
I also was forgetting the fact it can erase someone' past actions which it did therefore resetting the multi.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Well, without the reality gem that means it's can incomplete ig and can still destroy it easily in combat.
It doesn't need the Reality Gem to defeat a marble-sized sphere. Hooray. 5 CCU's prevented the UN from functioning in the first place. Does that mean the 5 CCU's can manipulate/simulate a Multiverse destroying/recreating blast? Does that mean 5 CCU's are more powerful than the IG? Oh sh1t. Yes, I just went there. I told you I had several other arguments to bash your logic with.Now you're getting it. Comparing a slowly expanding nullification sphere to an instnaneous Multiverse-wide destroying AND RECREATING blast is comparing apples to oranges here. Did you not realize that I manipulated you into arguing against your position again?
No. It didn't state anywhere it manipulated its energies. Nowhere. Don't make sh1t up. And no, even if it manipulated a tiny marble-sized sphere, that doesn't automatically make it capable of doing the same to a Multiverse destroying/RECREATING blast. Get your no limit fallacy outta here. No. It didn't. I already explained that Abraxas' past actions weren't wiped out. FF, Watcher, Namorita and Franklin all remember what happened. Surfer is gliding around Manhattan when he shoulda been in space (where he was before being summone dby Reed). Galactus wasn't reverted to a star. Franklin had his powers exhausted for years. Valeria wasn't back with Roma. Don't be blind.
The writer rams home the fact that the UN is "[b]The most powerful weapon ever known
." And he demonstrates it by having it achieve an exponentially more powerful feat than the IG ever did. Your butt hurts, eh? [/B]
5 cc's pale in comparison to the ig while the un does as well. I guess 5 cc's also render a un user impotent as well which also hurts your case. Laughs.
It didn't destroy the multi it destroyed abraxas thereby resetting the multi.
A writer's oversight which happens all the time and he's a writer who has rulk ko watchers yet struggle with wolverine. He's not that great of a writer but to me it was clear he nullified abraxas thereby recreating the multi.
The ig isn't a weapon either you ignoramus.
