Pokeverse v.s. FFverse

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not picking. 😐 That's how it works.

Movies/anime are canon, except where they contradict the games.

In the games, Giratina stops the destruction of the universe, in the movies? Significantly less powerful.

Such as Arcreus getting hurt from a meteor in the anime but yet you say no because it contradicts to the games, yet you are using anime Mewtwo feats at the same time.

Originally posted by Phanteros
You're basically picking what's canon for that character and what's not when benefits you. if you're going to use the anime you going to have to use all of it instead of the parts that benefit you or don't use it at all. Otherwise pick one or the other.

Such as Arcreus getting hurt from a meteor in the anime but yet you say no because it contradicts to the games, yet you are using anime Mewtwo feats at the same time.

The problem is games > anime in canon. The claims being used against pokeymanz condradict the games.

Arceus being pwnt by a meteor is PIS. He lost his plates in the collision, which was the only reason he was going to die anyway. With them he absorbs any attack, even crap from Dialga and Palkia.

Said it before, only threat is Void.

Ultimecia cannot absorb time in the Pokeverse. The structure of that universe is entirely different, and it is flat out said that the dimensions of Time and Space were never meant to overlap in the Pokemon world. The Darkrai movie happened because Arceus was so damn powerful he was sending shock waves from within his dimension that caused Time and Space to overlap. This resulted in the meeting of Dialga and Palkia, which was never supposed to happen.

Giratina got involved because Dialga and Palkia fighting was threatening to **** up his Reverse World, and he didn't like that, so he wanted to kick their asses.

Anyone in FF ever been so powerful that they unintentionally **** with other dimensions?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The only Pokemonm I've used anime feats for in this thread is actually MewTwo, every other refernce to the anime has been the oppositon trying to use it to disprove the power of pokemon.

The problem is games > anime in canon. The claims being used against pokeymanz condradict the games.

Originally posted by Phanteros
That's not the point I was trying to make. You were picking parts of the anime then not use it when there is a feat that you don't like in it. All this can be solve by picking one canon and leaving out the other.

Oh, mind you Arceus did all that while missing 5 of his life plates.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I did, actually. I disallowed the anime earlier in this thread, but Sin continued to try and use examples from the anime to weaken team pokeymanz.

I only used the anime because one of the Nintendo Wankers was using anime.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Arceus being pwnt by a meteor is PIS. He lost his plates in the collision, which was the only reason he was going to die anyway. With them he absorbs any attack, even crap from Dialga and Palkia.

Said it before, only threat is Void.

There's more threats than that. Sin, the Fal'Cie, Cloud of Darkness, Zodiarck, etc. would solo the Pokeverse.

Ultimecia cannot absorb time in the Pokeverse. The structure of that universe is entirely different, and it is flat out said that the dimensions of Time and Space were never meant to overlap in the Pokemon world.

It would work. Don't give me that nonsense.

The Darkrai movie happened because Arceus was so damn powerful he was sending shock waves from within his dimension that caused Time and Space to overlap. This resulted in the meeting of Dialga and Palkia, which was never supposed to happen.

Rise of Darkrai? Arceus isn't even in the movie. Palkia and Dialga done nothing that would put them above Kuja or Necron.

Giratina got involved because Dialga and Palkia fighting was threatening to **** up his Reverse World, and he didn't like that, so he wanted to kick their asses.

Which movie?

Anyone in FF ever been so powerful that they unintentionally **** with other dimensions?

Neo Exdeath is the Void incarnate and capable of destroying dimensions. Ultimecia was absorbing all time and existence. Necron and the Cloud of Darkness were planning to reduce everything to zero. Chaos was gonna end the FF multiverse and defeated the protagonists. The only reason they survived was because they had crystals who had the power of Cosmos (a goddess that's around Chaos's level).

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
There's more threats than that. Sin, the Fal'Cie, Cloud of Darkness, Zodiarck, etc. would solo the Pokeverse.

Cloud of Darkness is a Void thing. Sin is useless. Fal'Cie haven't done shit. If they have, you haven't proved it. Give that a shot for a change. Same with Zodick.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
It would work. Don't give me that nonsense.

Oh really? Prove it. Prove to me she can absorb them when they are completely separate from each other. Prove she can compress them while they resist. Prove to me she doesn't get her shit wrecked by smelling a Grimer or being stupid enough to punch a Breloom.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Rise of Darkrai? Arceus isn't even in the movie. Palkia and Dialga done nothing that would put them above Kuja or Necron.

****in' read. And lol. Being enough to hold back Arceus is leagues above 98% of FF.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Neo Exdeath is the Void incarnate and capable of destroying dimensions. Ultimecia was absorbing all time and existence. Necron and the Cloud of Darkness were planning to reduce everything to zero. Chaos was gonna end the FF multiverse and defeated the protagonists. The only reason they survived was because they had crystals who had the power of Cosmos (a goddess that's around Chaos's level).

I notice all of that was intentional, so you failed to properly answer the question. Doesn't surprise me though, you don't seem to read well.

One of them is the Void, which I've already mentioned is the only threat. Was going to end the multiverse is not a feat. Arceus was going to destroy that town, but I don't use that as a feat.

Wasn't this thread abandoned for being really ghey and crappy?

I crushed any Pokemon argument pages ago, why continue?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Cloud of Darkness is a Void thing. Sin is useless. Fal'Cie haven't done shit. If they have, you haven't proved it. Give that a shot for a change. Same with Zodick.

1. Sin does way more damage than Palkia and Dialga. They made big explosions and can travel through dimensions? So can Sin. Sin can travel to other dimensions and destroy destruction enough to be seen from space. Even without gravity shields, it tanked artillery fire.

2. Fal'Cie make people their slaves as L'Cie and they either end up as crystal or mindless monsters. Barthandelus in his human form can easily teleport and put up barriers to repel attacks. In his Fal'Cie form, he can use high level elemental magic, cast AoE poison and immobile spells, shoot lasers, and remove status effects. Orphan is stronger than him but I don't know all he can do since I haven't beat him yet. I know he can use instant-death spells.

3. "Zodick" can inflict disease (prevents HP from recovering) and his Darkja can inflict instant death, even if they're immune to instant-KOs.

Oh really? Prove it. Prove to me she can absorb them when they are completely separate from each other. Prove she can compress them while they resist. Prove to me she doesn't get her shit wrecked by smelling a Grimer or being stupid enough to punch a Breloom.

Only a plot power was able to resist Time Compression. Dialga and Palkia don't have strong bonds. Grimer and Breloom are small fries.

****in' read. And lol. Being enough to hold back Arceus is leagues above 98% of FF.

Arceus caused less damage than Kuja.

I notice all of that was intentional, so you failed to properly answer the question. Doesn't surprise me though, you don't seem to read well.

One of them is the Void, which I've already mentioned is the only threat. Was going to end the multiverse is not a feat. Arceus was going to destroy that town, but I don't use that as a feat.

He's still capable of it. Ending Existence > Destroying 1 town

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
1. Sin does way more damage than Palkia and Dialga. They made big explosions and can travel through dimensions? So can Sin. Sin can travel to other dimensions and destroy destruction enough to be seen from space. Even without gravity shields, it tanked artillery fire.

2. Fal'Cie make people their slaves as L'Cie and they either end up as crystal or mindless monsters. Barthandelus in his human form can easily teleport and put up barriers to repel attacks. In his Fal'Cie form, he can use high level elemental magic, cast AoE poison and immobile spells, shoot lasers, and remove status effects. Orphan is stronger than him but I don't know all he can do since I haven't beat him yet. I know he can use instant-death spells.

3. "Zodick" can inflict disease (prevents HP from recovering) and his Darkja can inflict instant death, even if they're immune to instant-KOs.

1. Lol. Dialga and Palkia's powers far exceed Sin's. Ever hear that theory that killing a butterfly in the past can drastically change the future?

And as for Space, what about tearing it a new one? Can Sin do that?

2. Unimpressive in its entirety.

3. See #2.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Only a plot power was able to resist Time Compression. Dialga and Palkia don't have strong bonds. Grimer and Breloom are small fries.

So? Nothing says she can do it when Space and Time attempt to resist. And unless someone in FF with gas that could knock out a fully grown man has farted in her face and she shrugged it off a Grimer or Muk's stench can probably knock her unconscious. And Breloom has Effect Spore, touching it could result in sleep.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Arceus caused less damage than Kuja.

Facts:
1. Arceus only wanted to destroy that town's humans.
2. Arceus was missing five of his life plates, which by the way combined to make that town into an absolute paradise from the wasteland it was before that.
3. Arceus almost inadvertently caused the destruction of the universe. It would have been destroyed were it not for a Darkrai and some kids with Pokemon and a knack for being in positions to save the world, and now the universe.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
He's still capable of it. Ending Existence > Destroying 1 town

Way to finally get what I've been saying. Void is the only threat.

Both of you have really crappy points and are being illogical.

See, a compromise. 🙂

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1. Lol. Dialga and Palkia's powers far exceed Sin's. Ever hear that theory that killing a butterfly in the past can drastically change the future?

Sin actually destroyed a city which is bigger than the island that Arceus tried to destroy.

And as for Space, what about tearing it a new one? Can Sin do that?

It never showed it.

2. Unimpressive in its entirety.

He might be compared to Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, and Arceus but that's enough to phase a lot of Pokemon including the legendary birds, beasts, and golems.

3. See #2.

Zodiark would waste any psychic type in the Pokeverse.

So? Nothing says she can do it when Space and Time attempt to resist. And unless someone in FF with gas that could knock out a fully grown man has farted in her face and she shrugged it off a Grimer or Muk's stench can probably knock her unconscious. And Breloom has Effect Spore, touching it could result in sleep.

Bad Breath (from the Malboro) is far more dangerous than any stench in Pokemon. It's a feared attack in FF since it inflicts every status effect there is.

3. Arceus almost inadvertently caused the destruction of the universe. It would have been destroyed were it not for a Darkrai and some kids with Pokemon and a knack for being in positions to save the world, and now the universe.

How?

Way to finally get what I've been saying. Void is the only threat.

That just proves how little you know about Final Fantasy. You keep retaining ignorance.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Sin actually destroyed a city which is bigger than the island that Arceus tried to destroy.

Arceus was weakened. Arceus had just returned from I believe a thousand year long slumber. All he wanted to destroy was the city. Sin can never hope to compare to Arceus.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
It never showed it.

So Sin can't do it. Cool.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
He might be compared to Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, and Arceus but that's enough to phase a lot of Pokemon including the legendary birds, beasts, and golems.

I doubt it.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Zodiark would waste any psychic type in the Pokeverse.

😆 MewTwo says hello.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Bad Breath (from the Malboro) is far more dangerous than any stench in Pokemon. It's a feared attack in FF since it inflicts every status effect there is.

And has Ultimecia breathed this in and shrugged it off?

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
How?

While in his personal dimension he released a massive wave of what I assume is energy. This wave was so powerful it created a vortex in the human world. He has also done this before his movie, and it led to the meeting of Palkia and Dialga, which would have utterly destroyed the universe had they not stopped fighting.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
That just proves how little you know about Final Fantasy. You keep retaining ignorance.

I could say the same about you and Pokemon. Or even Nintendo in general.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Arceus was weakened. Arceus had just returned from I believe a thousand year long slumber. All he wanted to destroy was the city. Sin can never hope to compare to Arceus.

I do not know how powerful Arceus is

I doubt it.

I don't see what's so special about the elemental legendaries. With Firaga, Thundaga, Waterga, and Blizzaga in his arsenal (which he throws out in barrages) there will be dead bodies. Only Raikou and Regirock aren't weak to his elemental spells but Thanatosian Laughter (a bunch of face lasers that can kill if the party isn't at least near full health) does the job.

😆 MewTwo says hello.

Darkja ends his life and it's far more powerful than any Dark Attack in Pokemon

And has Ultimecia breathed this in and shrugged it off?

It doesn't say anywhere if she's immune to status effects or not. Strangely the only form of her that has any weakness or resistance is her human form where she's weak against Poison but resistant against Holy. She would at least get poisoned.

While in his personal dimension he released a massive wave of what I assume is energy. This wave was so powerful it created a vortex in the human world. He has also done this before his movie, and it led to the meeting of Palkia and Dialga, which would have utterly destroyed the universe had they not stopped fighting.

Palkia and Dialga don't even look capable enough to be planet busters. Sin could do the same amount of destruction

I could say the same about you and Pokemon. Or even Nintendo in general.

The problem is that I actually have played Pokemon and watched the anime back in the day. I have played many Nintendo games so I'm aware of what many of the characters can do.

The problem is that I actually have played Pokemon and watched the anime back in the day. I have played many Nintendo games so I'm aware of what many of the characters can do.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I do not know how powerful Arceus is

Obviously.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I don't see what's so special about the elemental legendaries. With Firaga, Thundaga, Waterga, and Blizzaga in his arsenal (which he throws out in barrages) there will be dead bodies. Only Raikou and Regirock aren't weak to his elemental spells but Thanatosian Laughter (a bunch of face lasers that can kill if the party isn't at least near full health) does the job.

Well the main problem is you're basing the killing power on gameplay mechanics. And you're saying the party is better than the legendaries.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Darkja ends his life and it's far more powerful than any Dark Attack in Pokemon

He's dealt with stronger stuff.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Palkia and Dialga don't even look capable enough to be planet busters. Sin could do the same amount of destruction

Lol, you do know Cyrus was going to use one of them, just one, to end the universe and recreate it for himself. I mean, you've played the games as you said below, so you knew that, right?

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The problem is that I actually have played Pokemon and watched the anime back in the day. I have played many Nintendo games so I'm aware of what many of the characters can do.

If you say so.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I do not know how powerful Arceus is

http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokedex/

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice

Well the main problem is you're basing the killing power on gameplay mechanics. And you're saying the party is better than the legendaries.

You can't prove Pokemon don't have weaknesses. I also never mentioned the party being better than the elemental trios although, Fang alone can kill them all.

He's dealt with stronger stuff.

He's not beating a being so powerful that it was kept a child. Zodiark can prevent Mewtwo from recovering and his Darkja can inflict instant death even if there's Death immunity. Plus it has Reflect.

Lol, you do know Cyrus was going to use one of them, just one, to end the universe and recreate it for himself. I mean, you've played the games as you said below, so you knew that, right?

I've only played Yellow, Silver, Crystal, Stadium, and Stadium 2. And if Palkia and Dialga can be captured by a human, they are weak.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Maybe this can help you.
Make sure to read the power readings on the lower-right pane, and try to compare Arceus' stats to the rest of teh Powkeymanz.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokedex/

So it has 5s in all stats. Not enough to convince how powerful it is. It can change types with the plates but it would also change weaknesses. Libra solves that problem but that wouldn't be necessary since one Giga Gravitron would destroy Arceus and its weak Pokeverse.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
You can't prove Pokemon don't have weaknesses. I also never mentioned the party being better than the elemental trios although, Fang alone can kill them all.

You assumed that if the party can't take the hits, the legendary Pokemon couldn't. Doesn't matter though anyway since you still based killing power on gameplay.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
He's not beating a being so powerful that it was kept a child. Zodiark can prevent Mewtwo from recovering and his Darkja can inflict instant death even if there's Death immunity. Plus it has Reflect.

Lol. If it's so powerful how can it be kept as a child? I'm sure MewTwo can beat him.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I've only played Yellow, Silver, Crystal, Stadium, and Stadium 2. And if Palkia and Dialga can be captured by a human, they are weak.

You're so wrong here its absolutely incredible. 😆

I shouldn't even be bothering with you. Why I am is beyond me.