Dutch vs Rambo

Psychotron, you reply was amiable and I understand where you're coming from. Also, I agree in a jungle hunt scenario this would make a good movie, much less a versus thread.

KT, I earlier said I would concede my position if evidence came about of Rambo doing good against a comparable opponent. While it's not a Dutch clone it's a good fight that I found, and while I personally still favor Dutch the evidence is in Rambo's favor. So the debate, for me, is over. The evidence was found, and I must stick to my condition.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Psychotron, you reply was amiable and I understand where you're coming from. Also, I agree in a jungle hunt scenario this would make a good movie, much less a versus thread.

Shame they never made one while they were still young. An 80s team-up movie with them would have been epic.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Shame they never made one while they were still young. An 80s team-up movie with them would have been epic.

It would have. Arnold has let himself go. Conversely, Sly is still in pretty good shape, considering his age. Watched Expendables 2, and man, Dolph's legs look so tiny.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It would have. Arnold has let himself go. Conversely, Sly is still in pretty good shape, considering his age. Watched Expendables 2, and man, Dolph's legs look so tiny.

If they made the Expendables in the 80s or early 90s it would have been insanely huge. Avengers huge.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Psychotron, you reply was amiable and I understand where you're coming from. Also, I agree in a jungle hunt scenario this would make a good movie, much less a versus thread.

KT, I earlier said I would concede my position if evidence came about of Rambo doing good against a comparable opponent. While it's not a Dutch clone it's a good fight that I found, and while I personally still favor Dutch the evidence is in Rambo's favor. So the debate, for me, is over. The evidence was found, and I must stick to my condition.

No issue there bud... I was just wondering WHAT about that fight impressed you... You said Rambo's grappling ability.. which is what I was finding odd. When I watch the fight.. Rambo showed very little grappling skills. Tying a rope around somebody or choking them like we did when kids with no training.. isn't a good grappling. Neither is losing said dominate position like Rambo ended up doing. Him ripping at the guys face while in close.. again isn't good grappling. Neither is getting ragdolled tossed. To say nothign of pulling a knife and getting disarmed. So what I'm trying to find is what specifically impressed you. I actually refreshed my memory and further confirmed why I believe Dutch would win.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because we see Rambo doing things like driving tanks and flying helicopters, while Dutch showed no such abilities.

Absence of proof isn't proof... When did dutch fail and being able to fly a helicopter or drive a tank. That's like me saying that Dutch is better trained in tactics and traps because I never saw Rambo be able to set traps against somebody as skilled as the pradator.. therefore he couldn't. Doesn't work that way. So point me to the scense where Dutch wasn't able to fly a chopper or drive a tank

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Absence of proof isn't proof... When did dutch fail and being able to fly a helicopter or drive a tank. That's like me saying that Dutch is better trained in tactics and traps because I never saw Rambo be able to set traps against somebody as skilled as the pradator.. therefore he couldn't. Doesn't work that way. So point me to the scense where Dutch wasn't able to fly a chopper or drive a tank

By all means, post proof that Dutch can fly a helicopter or drive a tank.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Absence of proof isn't proof... When did dutch fail and being able to fly a helicopter or drive a tank. That's like me saying that Dutch is better trained in tactics and traps because I never saw Rambo be able to set traps against somebody as skilled as the pradator.. therefore he couldn't. Doesn't work that way. So point me to the scense where Dutch wasn't able to fly a chopper or drive a tank

Yeah, and you've never seen me have a threesome with Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, and you've never seen me have a threesome with Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

To further your point, Rambo was never shown creating a universe, doesn't mean he can't do it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means, post proof that Dutch can fly a helicopter or drive a tank.

You said he was better trained because he did somethign Dutch was never shown to do.. that isn't how critical thinking arguments work. Absence of proof isn't proof. You would have to show dutch NOT being able to fly a helicopter or drive a tank in order to make such a claim. This NEVER happened. If you have some deleted scene I don't post it. If not, than you have no clue whether he can or can't drive a tank or chopper. he was never given a chance or shown that he couldn't. So post the scene where he wasn't able to to support your claim that he's better trained.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You said he was better trained because he did somethign Dutch was never shown to do.. that isn't how critical thinking arguments work. Absence of proof isn't proof. You would have to show dutch NOT being able to fly a helicopter or drive a tank in order to make such a claim. This NEVER happened. If you have some deleted scene I don't post it. If not, than you have no clue whether he can or can't drive a tank or chopper. he was never given a chance or shown that he couldn't. So post the scene where he wasn't able to to support your claim that he's better trained.

Unless you can show that Dutch was also a trained tank driver and helicopter pilot...then Rambo was better trained.

you still don't know how arguments work and the logical progession they follow.. okay no worries.. but get back to me when you find that scene was dutch was unable to fly chopper or drive a tank.. I'll be waiting.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
you still don't know how arguments work and the logical progession they follow.. okay no worries.. but get back to me when you find that scene was dutch was unable to fly chopper or drive a tank.. I'll be waiting.

Prove that Rambo doesn't have magic powers.

You said Dutch couldn't do those things... I'll await the proof of where this was shown.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You said Dutch couldn't do those things... I'll await the proof of where this was shown.

No, I said that Dutch showed no such abilities...which is true..so if you're going to claim that he has the ability, it's up to you to provide proof.

No you said Ramob was better trained.. YOU need to support your claim... Dutch not doing something DOESN'T prove your case. Not how evidence and support work. You said you KNOW rambo is better trained.. you made such a claim based on Dutch not being shown doing something.. That is how proof works... You'd have to show dutch UNABLE to do something.. this wasn't the case. So again, I'm waiting on yoru proof that Rambo was better trained in things like flying chopper or driving tanks etc.

I guess dutch is better trained at making weapons since he made a bow and arrow out of materials he found in the forest and some gun powder. I also don't think Rocky can take a piss since I never saw him take a piss... he must not be able to do that. See how that works, or in this case, doesn't work.

You can't prove a negative. You can't prove Dutch can't drive a tank just like you can't prove unicorns don't exist. Doesn't mean that they do, and it doesn't mean that Dutch can drive a tank unless we see it. If you claim that Dutch is as skilled as Rambo than the burden on proof is on you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, I said that Dutch showed no such abilities...which is true..so if you're going to claim that he has the ability, it's up to you to provide proof.

I did support my claim, I named two types of training that Dutch wasn't shown to have.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You can't prove a negative. You can't prove Dutch can't drive a tank just like you can't prove unicorns don't exist. Doesn't mean that they do, and it doesn't mean that Dutch can drive a tank unless we see it. If you claim that Dutch is as skilled as Rambo than the burden on proof is on you.

Follow the discussion before interjecting your opinion. I never made ANY claim. Silent made the claim that Rambo was better trained since we saw him drive a tank and helicopter and dutch wasn't shown doing so. That doesn't prove his conclusion at all and that is the point I'm making. I'm waiting for the scene where dutch was unable to fly a chopper or tank and given the chance. Just like it would be idiotic for me to say Psychotron can't have sex.. well because.. I've never seen him have sex. Doesn' twork that way.. that doesn't prove my premise or conclusion. Absence of proof isn't proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I did support my claim, I named two types of training that Dutch wasn't shown to have.

Really.. how was he not shown to have it? SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.. Show me the scene where Dutch couldn't fly a chopper or tank or show the narration where Dutch comments on ont having training in those areas.. Simple. Now support your claim.