Originally posted by Psychotron
Are we talking about the same film? Dutch was getting stomped.
😆 at the misinterpretation. I didn't say he beat the Predator. I said the Predator couldn't put him down, which it couldn't, since he was spry enough to outrun a nuke afterwards. It's about the durability.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I didn't say he beat the Predator. I said the Predator couldn't put him down, which it couldn't, since he was spry enough to outrun a nuke afterwards. It's about the durability.
Originally posted by Lestov16
😆 at the misinterpretation. I didn't say he beat the Predator. I said the Predator couldn't put him down, which it couldn't, since he was spry enough to outrun a nuke afterwards. It's about the durability.
He won because of the prep and traps, not because he was stronger.
Predator could have removed his life any second but they like to fight. Your don't understand the predators culture and way of life.
Originally posted by Lestov16
😆 at the misinterpretation. I didn't say he beat the Predator. I said the Predator couldn't put him down, which it couldn't, since he was spry enough to outrun a nuke afterwards. It's about the durability.
So why didn't he escape from the Predator then? The Predator was going to finish him and Arnold knew it. If he didn't have the log trap it would have been over right there.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Again, 😂 at the interpretation. I didn't say Dutch did or could beat the Predator. I said he had the durability to withstand the Predator's beating. What part of this are you guys not comprehending?
Him crawling on the ground to his trap fortress after Predator kicked the shat out of him.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Do you not realize the Predator was toying with him?
Do you not realize beating a being that superhuman in strength.. has superior technology and firepower.. is a trained killer of many species with just stuff found in the jungle along with tactics.. is EXPONENTIONALLY greater than anybody Rambo beat one v one or 5 v 1. That aren't even in the same ballpark
Originally posted by Lestov16
Fat and unfit small town cops.And Dutch withstood that beating and then outran a nuke. And you say "beating the crap out of him" like Rambo has comparable strength to the Predator. If Dutch could withstand the Predator's blows, what makes you think the far weaker Rambo will effect him?
I counted like 2 fat cops. How do you know they were unfit huh? And even if they were unfit, taking on 3-4 unfit dudes and winning in under a minute is still a great h2h feat in the real world.
Well, Rambo certainly isn't going to have an easy time knocking out Dutch, the same way Dutch isn't easily going to knock out Rambo. Let's face it, both these guys have some crazy durability feats. In the end, the guy who gets hit more often in more vulnerable spots will be the first to go down, and this is where h2h skill comes in... which again, Dutch really hasn't shown much of.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Concession accepted. You have no proof to back up your claim that Rambo has more training than dutch. Further, in terms of years in the force... Dutch has had more training in fact.
Why does this have to be all about training? The skill is more important than the training. Which again, Dutch hasn't demonstrated any (h2h skill).
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you not realize beating a being that superhuman in strength.. has superior technology and firepower.. is a trained killer of many species with just stuff found in the jungle along with tactics.. is EXPONENTIONALLY greater than anybody Rambo beat one v one or 5 v 1. That aren't even in the same ballpark
Yes agreed. Pred > 5 cops or whatever. But at least Rambo beat someone. Beat multiple someones. Whom has Dutch beaten? Whom has he faced in h2h where he even gave a decent showing? Heck show me any scene where he displayed even a hint of his h2h training and skill?
You just said it... he beat somebody exponentially better than anybody Rambo beat. Let me ask you this.. if somebody is as tactical as Dutch.. as savy and ingenious as dutch is setting up his traps and building weapons to beat somebody you admit is vastly superior to anybody Rambo beat.. am I to assume then.. he all this training and should skills in other ways.. yet he sucks at h2h. Is that the conlusion you would come to? Or is the more logical conclusion.. well if dutch is this badass in other areas.. I believe it's more logical that he's also very adept at h2h combat
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You just said it... he beat somebody exponentially better than anybody Rambo beat. Let me ask you this.. if somebody is as tactical as Dutch.. as savy and ingenious as dutch is setting up his traps and building weapons to beat somebody you admit is vastly superior to anybody Rambo beat.. am I to assume then.. he all this training and should skills in other ways.. yet he sucks at h2h. Is that the conlusion you would come to? Or is the more logical conclusion.. well if dutch is this badass in other areas.. I believe it's more logical that he's also very adept at h2h combat
Are you telling me that someone who is a great tactician is automatically a great h2h fighter? That if someone was a great sniper, or archer, or strategist then that automatically makes them a good h2h fighter? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
Do you know how soldiers rise up through the ranks? Do you think that generals are automatically some of the best h2h fighters around simply because if they're so high up on the chain of command then they must automatically be great h2h fighters because they're apparently great strategists?
As for beating the pred, he beat the Pred using tactics and prep time, not through h2h. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this fight a h2h match without prep time?
Plus, yeah the Pred is tougher than any single opponent Rambo has faced, but then you have to remember that Rambo took on an entire police force, an entire army - singlehandedly. Sometimes with maybe 1 or 2 allies but mostly doing it solo. Sometimes he'd take on an entire platoon of men with nothing but his rambo knife and jungle tactics.
Plus as tough as the preds are, it has been proven that they can be taken out singlehandedly by other humans. City cop took on a pred in Predator 2. And a hasbeen Yakuza took on another pred.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Heck show me any scene where he displayed even a hint of his h2h training and skill?
Based on this logic, AK Waters from Tears of the Sun, Hoot from Black Hawk Down, and the SEALs from Act Of Valor all are complete jokes in H2H, simply because they didn't display it onscreen. 😆