Pokemon v.s. Final Fantasy, with less speculation!

Started by MooCowofJustice37 pages

You think Pokemon don't enjoy being with trainers? The relationships are beneficial for both humans and trainers. The Pokemon like getting stronger and most trainers just like being with Pokemon.

Bullet Punch is the same as Quick Attack, lol. I don't know why you seem to think they're starting a mile away from each other, but I sincerely doubt they are. Ultimecia gets the hell punched out of her and drops.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Machamp won't even be near Ultimecia. He'll be killed by one of her spells.

Too bad it doesn't work on just Machamp. As I said, No Guard works on everyone in the battle. Every attack Machamp launches will hit. Every attack Ultimecia launched will hit. Every attack launched by anyone will hit whatever they aim it at. Accuracy ceases to be a factor in this battle, as all attacks automatically hit. Except OHKO attacks, which fail outright.


Bullet Punch hitting first is a game mechanic. Bullet Punch is a punch that goes as fast as a bullet. No different from him doing 1000 punches in two seconds. Vacuum Wave is also a game mechanic because in the anime, it's not that faster than what Team FF could dodge. Aqua Jet same thing. Team Pokemon isn't speed-blitzing shit.

That doesn't change the fact that they are speedblitz moves. Regardless of the game, these are moves that the user speeds up to use. I'm using the game, you're using the anime. Once again, game is on a higher canon level.


Magic Coat is useless against the Buster Sword, Revolver, bullets, or Zell's fists.

Which is why it won't be used against them. What it will be used against is Stop, so the FF cast Stops themselves.


Too bad Machamp is too slow to even catch anybody with those arms.

Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave. Charizard uses Tailwind and doubles Team PKMNs speed.


How?

Side effect of the ability. It prevents OHKOs from always hitting, so it simply makes them always fail.


It's not gonna work on Ultimecia. Also Chaos Vincent will hit Alakazaam so hard that his brain will exit through the back of his head.

Nah, they're getting raped.


Right, because sandstorms are really dangerous to Team FF 🙄

It'll kill them if they aren't careful.


Recover is useless because anyone in Team FF can kill Alakazaam in one hit.

Good thing he can put up Reflects, Light Screens, and Barriers, eh? He's too fast for them, anyway.


Charizard has to land and rest for that to work. He leaves himself vulnerable.

And you think a grounded Charizard is vulnerable?


Dispel says Hi.

Taunt says hi.

Damnit, I forgot about Taunt. 😐

Originally posted by The Scenario
Too bad it doesn't work on just Machamp. As I said, No Guard works on everyone in the battle. Every attack Machamp launches will hit. Every attack Ultimecia launched will hit. Every attack launched by anyone will hit whatever they aim it at. Accuracy ceases to be a factor in this battle, as all attacks automatically hit. Except OHKO attacks, which fail outright.

The description says a punch as fast as a bullet. Ultimecia stopped bullets when she was controlling Edea.


That doesn't change the fact that they are speedblitz moves. Regardless of the game, these are moves that the user speeds up to use. I'm using the game, you're using the anime. Once again, game is on a higher canon level.

Nope, the anime is canon. Your fellow lollovelink member said so.


Which is why it won't be used against them. What it will be used against is Stop, so the FF cast Stops themselves.

Mirror Coat doesn't work on status effect moves. Now I'm using game canon.


Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave. Charizard uses Tailwind and doubles Team PKMNs speed.

Machamp isn't Quick Attack. Vacuum Wave gets blocked.

Cloud and Zell use Haste.


Side effect of the ability. It prevents OHKOs from always hitting, so it simply makes them always fail.

Death is more accurate than Pokemon OHKOs


Nah, they're getting raped.

No Alakazaam is falling apart.


It'll kill them if they aren't careful.

They fought worse things than sandstorms.


Good thing he can put up Reflects, Light Screens, and Barriers, eh? He's too fast for them, anyway.

Dispel. The end.


And you think a grounded Charizard is vulnerable?

Resting = vulnerable


Taunt says hi.

Omnislash says hi.

Nope, the anime is canon. Your fellow lollovelink member said so.
Games > Anime
Mirror Coat doesn't work on status effect moves. Now I'm using game canon.
Safegaurd does.
Death is more accurate than Pokemon OHKOs
Death is featless*

No Alakazaam is falling apart.
Based on? I'd like to see team FF land a hit on him. 😐 Y'know, with them all being TK'd.
They fought worse things than sandstorms.
Pokemon sandstorms >

Resting = vulnerable

Roost =/= Rest

Omnislash says hi.
Featless limit break v.s. incredibly durable pocket monsters. 😐

Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave are priority moves, Ultimecia cannot dodge or block them due to the ability No Guard. She gets punched, and it hurts. Then she gets punched two thousand more times and dies.

Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave are priority moves, Ultimecia cannot dodge or block them due to the ability No Guard. She gets punched, and it hurts. Then she gets punched two thousand more times and dies.

Priority moves and No Guard are gameplay mechanics. Ultimecia isn't going to stand around scratching her nose while Machamp runs up and punches her.

Vincent goes Chaos and pwns the pokeymoans. /thread.

Bullet Punch still makes them move really fast. And No Guard is not a mechanic, it is an ability.

Vincent gets TK'd by Alakazam and punched by Tyranitar or incinerated by Charizard.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Games > Anime

No, you said Anime is canon therefore, Games = Anime.


Safegaurd does. Death is featless*

Safeguard doesn't reflect. FF enemies have immunities to Death. Pokemon don't.


Based on? I'd like to see team FF land a hit on him. 😐 Y'know, with them all being TK'd.

Ultimecia and Vincent can handle it.


Pokemon sandstorms >

Pokemon sandstorms are weaker than real life sandstorms.


Roost =/= Rest

Description says that the Pokemon has to land and rest.


Featless limit break v.s. incredibly durable pocket monsters. 😐

Omnislash killed Sephiroth who is more powerful than 99% of Pokemon.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave are priority moves, Ultimecia cannot dodge or block them due to the ability No Guard. She gets punched, and it hurts. Then she gets punched two thousand more times and dies.

No Guard is a game mechanic to allow Machamp's arm speed to be in the game. Bullet Punch moves as fast as a bullet and Ultimecia stops bullets. Vacuum Wave is weak. 😆

Omnislash killed Sephiroth who is more powerful than 99% of Pokemon.

haermm Entire post discredited in one sentence.

Bullet punch

"The user strikes with a tough punch as fast as a bullet. This move always goes first. "

Considering Ultimecia has blocked a bullet before, should be able to use her magic fast enough in this case.

And so long as any and I mean any FF characters get an opening, time is stopped. 😐

Bullet Punch still makes them move really fast. And No Guard is not a mechanic, it is an ability.

Vincent gets TK'd by Alakazam and punched by Tyranitar or incinerated by Charizard.

Alakazam has never TKheld someone as strong as Vincent (that I know of) or who can create as much kinetic energy in movement (see how f'king fast he is against white hair a few pages ago).

Unless Bullet punch is actually faster than a bullet it isn't doing much. And No Guard is indeed a mechanic, as proven by it letting its user get hit during dig or fly, when it would be impossible otherwise. Even the wiki calls it a mechanic.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The description says a punch as fast as a bullet. Ultimecia stopped bullets when she was controlling Edea.

That's nice. She can't stop a Machamp moving as fast as a bullet.


Nope, the anime is canon. Your fellow lollovelink member said so.

You must have missed the fact that there ared different levels of canon. games are higher.


Mirror Coat doesn't work on status effect moves. Now I'm using game canon.

I didn't say Mirrir Coat. I said Magic Coat. One reflects attacks, the other reflects status.


Machamp isn't Quick Attack. Vacuum Wave gets blocked.

This makes little in the way of sense. Bullet Punch = Quick Attack = vacuum Wave.


Cloud and Zell use Haste.

Taunt.


Death is more accurate than Pokemon OHKOs

Doesn't mean they succeed any better.


No Alakazaam is falling apart.

Not anytime soon.


They fought worse things than sandstorms.

And this makes them immunr to sandstorms?


Dispel. The end.

Taunt.


Resting = vulnerable

Roosting = lose Flying type


Omnislash says hi.

I don't see how Omnislash solves the Taunt problem.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That's nice. She can't stop a Machamp moving as fast as a bullet.

You must have missed the fact that there ared different levels of canon. games are higher.

I didn't say Mirrir Coat. I said Magic Coat. One reflects attacks, the other reflects status.

This makes little in the way of sense. Bullet Punch = Quick Attack = vacuum Wave.

Taunt.

Doesn't mean they succeed any better.

Not anytime soon.

And this makes them immune to sandstorms?

Taunt.

Roosting = lose Flying type

I don't see how Omnislash solves the Taunt problem.

Cause you know, an attack specifically stated to be as fast as a bullet is faster than a bullet...some how. Ultimecia could freeze him in time before he could hit her, along with the other pokemon.

Magic Coat covers one pokemon, this case being Alakazam. All the other Pokemon would still be affected and Alakazam is not taking on 4 FF characters by himself. Actually, if Magic coat takes effect on Vincent or Cloud, it won't work as ribbons are awesome.

Bullet Punch= Bullet Speed.

Taunt works on one target and only Tyranitar could use it if you want Alakazam to use Magic Coat. Still leaves 3 people with control over time.

Cure all> Sandstorm.

Omnislash is an attack. Taunt says attack me. Easy enough, Alakazam would be injured.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
No, you said Anime is canon therefore, Games = Anime.

Stop clinging to things for dear life. 😐 This goes for "Old Men and normal arrows" too.

Ultimecia gets hit by Bullet Punch because No Guard makes her. The bright side is that her attacks would land to, but she doesn't get any in.

No Guard is a special ability. A Game mechanic it is not.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That's nice. She can't stop a Machamp moving as fast as a bullet.

Yes she can. She's a sorceress. Machamp is just a ball dwelling animal thing.


You must have missed the fact that there ared different levels of canon. games are higher.

Anime is canon. Anime = Games.

[B]
I didn't say Mirrir Coat. I said Magic Coat. One reflects attacks, the other reflects status.

That's if status moves are used but they can be cured by Esuna.


This makes little in the way of sense. Bullet Punch = Quick Attack = vacuum Wave.

Gameplay mechanics.


Taunt.

Omnislash


Doesn't mean they succeed any better.

They succeed better since they never miss.


Not anytime soon.

Ultimecia and Vincent can.


And this makes them immunr to sandstorms?

They deal with Tornados that do more damage than a silly sandstorm.


Taunt.

Omnislash


Roosting = lose Flying type

Because they are resting


I don't see how Omnislash solves the Taunt problem.

Omnislash kills any of the 5 Pokemon.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Stop clinging to things for dear life. 😐 This goes for "Old Men and normal arrows" too.

No! Anime is canon and that means anime = canon. Ganon was beaten by a group of knights and old sages. Giant Warthog Ganon was hit by regular arrows.


Ultimecia gets hit by Bullet Punch because No Guard makes her. The bright side is that her attacks would land to, but she doesn't get any in.

No Guard is a special ability. A Game mechanic it is not.

No Guard is just game mechanics way of making Machamp appear to have super strength and fast arms.

Lol. No Guard simply means that Machamp battles without regard for its own protection. There's also a move with that same idea, they call it Close Combat. When it isn't preoccupied with defending itself, it can focus on offense and do much more damage and make sure its moves hit. Essentially collateral damage that they don't call "recoil."

And no. Ganondorf was not beaten at all. He was sealed away by a group of Knights who wielded the Master Sword and the old Sages who are in many cases responsible for forging the Master Sword and keeping it endowed with the power of the Goddesses.

Even saying Ultimecia blocked Bullet Punch, Machamp is now close enough to unleash hell. A hell that she will never block.

Show me Ultimecia blocking something half as powerful as a punch from Machamp? 😐

She can just phase through him. 😐

Or freeze-thing him.

I bet it's like Kain's mist form. Still, I doubt she can react fast enough.