Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And while he does that, any of the others stop time on everyone else. 😐
Several of the others have priority moves as well. Singular time spells, I assume, can also be dodged/blocked. Protect/Detect will definitely help with Alakazam, who to my knowledge has no priority move.
@MadMel, Time cannot be frozen while she is being punched.
your acting machamp materializes right next to ult the second the match starts 😬
he if starts any more than a metre away ult would be able to stop time..she can activate it faster than squall can swing his blade..
as far as im aware machamp has no movement speed feats, only his attack speed feats - and even if he did, chaos vincent, cloud - hell, any of them - would be able to move faster, even if they cant dodge his 1000 punches per 2 seconds..
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Control over time pretty much makes most, if not all pokemon attacks worthless. Griever posted a video earlier of her stopping time. And by the way, out of the pokemon you mentioned, none of them can use quick attack. Unless you count the Birthday Charmander.It is a comical attack. But its still legit. 😖hifty:
Both Machamp and Blastoise have high piority moves (like quick attack), however. A priority move is a move that hits first, regardless of the pokemon's speed. They speed up to use the attack, and slow down when it's over. It's a free speedblitz. Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave for Machamp, and Aqua Jet and Fake Out for Blastoise. Alakazam has one, also, but it's Magic Coat, a counterattack move that returns status effects. Tyranitar and Charizard don't have any, unless you count Protect.
Also, Abilities! Machamp's ability, No Guard, means attacks always hit. On both sides. No one is able to dodge anything, and accuracy is no longer a factor. However, One-hit kills are prevented from working at all.
Alakazam's ability is Synchronize, which means that if Alazam is hit with a negative status, he passes it on to whoever gave it to him, so both have the status.
Tyranitar has an ability called Sand Stream, which creates a sandstorm as soon as he enters battle. It'll damage everyone except Tyranitar, because he's a Rock type. However, Alakazam can heal himself with Recover, Charizard can heal with Roost, and Blastoise can gain regeneration with Aqua Ring. Machamp's out of luck, unless he uses Rest or something.
Blastoise and Charizard's abilities are Torrent and Blaze, respectively. All they do are make water or fire attacks more powerful when their health gets low.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Both Machamp and Blastoise have high piority moves (like quick attack), however. A priority move is a move that hits first, regardless of the pokemon's speed. They speed up to use the attack, and slow down when it's over. It's a free speedblitz. Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave for Machamp, and Aqua Jet and Fake Out for Blastoise. Alakazam has one, also, but it's Magic Coat, a counterattack move that returns status effects. Tyranitar and Charizard don't have any, unless you count Protect.Also, Abilities! Machamp's ability, No Guard, means attacks always hit. On both sides. No one is able to dodge anything, and accuracy is no longer a factor. However, One-hit kills are prevented from working at all.
Alakazam's ability is Synchronize, which means that if Alazam is hit with a negative status, he passes it on to whoever gave it to him, so both have the status.
Tyranitar has an ability called Sand Stream, which creates a sandstorm as soon as he enters battle. It'll damage everyone except Tyranitar, because he's a Rock type. However, Alakazam can heal himself with Recover, Charizard can heal with Roost, and Blastoise can gain regeneration with Aqua Ring. Machamp's out of luck, unless he uses Rest or something.
Blastoise and Charizard's abilities are Torrent and Blaze, respectively. All they do are make water or fire attacks more powerful when their health gets low.
lol I know, but I was picking on the fact that he specifically said quick attack. But for the most part the priority moves are featless correct? I rather doubt they will take out all the FF side at once, in which case stop will still work on them as anyone on the FF side can do it. If they out speed time stopping, which is a far stretch considering that its stopping time, they won't hit everyone. 4 of the 5 of these characters also posses spells that can revive and heal team mates so good luck taking them all out. Protect and Detect can be broken by simple moves like feint so I don't believe they would hold up against stopping time.
Alakazam does pose a problem. He is the only pokemon that does in all honesty. But synchronize will only affect one person on the FF side, which still leaves 4 people immune with the ability to do very powerful magic.
Sandstream does not pose much of a threat, due to the fact either Squall or Zell could use a tornado spell and blow it away. Even if not, cure all from Cloud heals any minor injuries the FF side may suffer.
Machamp has the best ability and is the second major threat. However, when considering FF characters can be revived, his muscles fall short and it doesn't matter how many times he hits a person.
Blastoise and Charizard literally become non factors once time is frozen and have little going for them aside from ridiculously stupid, but canon, pokedex entries.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
With fire hot enough to melt a 10,000 ton glacier, he wouldn't melt that rock, he would incinerate it. You really must be confused, because now you're putting words in my mouth. I did not say they cannot use these moves outside of battle. No, he did not do it in game. The Pokedex says he can, it is that simple. You are not understanding that simple point.
Huh? I'm putting words on your mouth, you say? You didn't said: 'Blastoise's water cannons have not punched through steel in the games, because it is not a move you can use outside of battle in the games.'? You said it is not a move you can use outside of battle. How come I'm putting words in your mouth? I don't need to do that, you know? You said it by yourself. Charizard easily melt a rock in that video, that can't be judged nor argued, that's pure evidence of his power. Still, I don't know from where you reach the conclusion that the Pokemons from the games are all stronger and more powerful. Charizard did what the Pokedex said, he melt a rock. And you probably say is weak due that you want to elevate their powers even more.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
And actually, it does matter if its a game. Because they can't program the ability to go around shooting fire wherever you please and burn down houses and trees and easily kill people with a swipe of a Nidoking's tail.
Why they couldn't program it? Actually, it can be used to unblock some ways along the adventure, you don't need to burn houses or kill people with it. Blastoise's water cannons would be pretty useful. If can pass through steel, of course.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No, the anime is very inconsistent.The Caterpie thing.
Not really.
I replied to that already.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No, it doesn't. The Pokedex is an encyclopedia, for one, and good encyclopedias do not throw page after page of hyperbole at you. The Anime exaggerates powers far more than the games can ever hope. See Ash's Pikachu, Gardenia's Turtwig, Roark's Rampardos, Ash's Grotle, Brock's Happiny (incredibly important), Dawn's Piplup and Cyndaquil.
Machamp can move a mountain with his arm and can send his foes flying over the horizon...? Without any reason, without evidence, and you say the game do not exaggerate their abilities? Hell, they can't even put a logical reasoning of how they can perform these abilities, nothing of those descriptions makes any sense and it doesn't fit. 'can send his foes over the horizon', that sounds really fallacious. You never saw them doing that sort of things. You admitted that both sources are canon. You are being a judge here, choosing what is important or what is not. Common sense is telling me that water can't pass through pure steel, no matter how strong that water shot is. Unless they do show Blastoise doing it. If you read the meaning of hyperbole you'll realize it.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Machamp uses Bullet Punch, hits Ultimecia once and then proceeds to hit her with more force than she has been hit with in her life, in two seconds.
Machamp won't even be near Ultimecia. He'll be killed by one of her spells.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Both Machamp and Blastoise have high piority moves (like quick attack), however. A priority move is a move that hits first, regardless of the pokemon's speed. They speed up to use the attack, and slow down when it's over. It's a free speedblitz. Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave for Machamp, and Aqua Jet and Fake Out for Blastoise. Alakazam has one, also, but it's Magic Coat, a counterattack move that returns status effects. Tyranitar and Charizard don't have any, unless you count Protect.
Bullet Punch hitting first is a game mechanic. Bullet Punch is a punch that goes as fast as a bullet. No different from him doing 1000 punches in two seconds. Vacuum Wave is also a game mechanic because in the anime, it's not that faster than what Team FF could dodge. Aqua Jet same thing. Team Pokemon isn't speed-blitzing shit.
Magic Coat is useless against the Buster Sword, Revolver, bullets, or Zell's fists.
Also, Abilities! Machamp's ability, No Guard, means attacks always hit. On both sides. No one is able to dodge anything, and accuracy is no longer a factor.
Too bad Machamp is too slow to even catch anybody with those arms.
However, One-hit kills are prevented from working at all.
How?
Alakazam's ability is Synchronize, which means that if Alazam is hit with a negative status, he passes it on to whoever gave it to him, so both have the status.
It's not gonna work on Ultimecia. Also Chaos Vincent will hit Alakazaam so hard that his brain will exit through the back of his head.
Tyranitar has an ability called Sand Stream, which creates a sandstorm as soon as he enters battle. It'll damage everyone except Tyranitar, because he's a Rock type.
Right, because sandstorms are really dangerous to Team FF 🙄
However, Alakazam can heal himself with Recover,
Recover is useless because anyone in Team FF can kill Alakazaam in one hit.
Charizard can heal with Roost,
Charizard has to land and rest for that to work. He leaves himself vulnerable.
and Blastoise can gain regeneration with Aqua Ring.
Dispel says Hi.
Ultimecia cannot do anything while being punched 2000 times in 2 seconds. She DOES get hit, because Bullet Punch hits her. It doesn't matter if they start right next to each other or not, because they'll start close enough. It's not like she'll start the fight in space.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Huh? I'm putting words on your mouth, you say? You didn't said: 'Blastoise's water cannons have not punched through steel in the games, because it is not a move you can use outside of battle in the games.'? You said it is not a move you can use outside of battle. How come I'm putting words in your mouth? I don't need to do that, you know? You said it by yourself. Charizard easily melt a rock in that video, that can't be judged nor argued, that's pure evidence of his power. Still, I don't know from where you reach the conclusion that the Pokemons from the games are all stronger and more powerful. Charizard did what the Pokedex said, he melt a rock. And you probably say is weak due that you want to elevate their powers even more.
It's not a move you can use outside of battle IN THE GAMES. Are you really so thick skulled that you think that means they can't use moves outside of battle? I know you're an FF fan, but you are smarter than that.
Charizard would not melt that rock with fire hot enough to melt a 10,000 ton glacier. As I said before, he would incinerate it.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Why they couldn't program it? Actually, it can be used to unblock some ways along the adventure, you don't need to burn houses or kill people with it. Blastoise's water cannons would be pretty useful. If can pass through steel, of course.
Imagine making the actual abilities of every Pokemon being available to them in these games. All 493 Pokemon. The ones that can fly can fly, the ones that breathe fire can now set anything on fire, the ones that can shoot water blast it whenever they want, wherever they want. How much space do you think there is on a DS cartridge? Not enough for all of this.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Not really.I replied to that already.
So all Turtwig can move as fast as Gardenia's? Can all Lairon hurt themselves by smashing their face into rocks, despite having the Rock Head ability? All Magikarp must truly be as useful as the one that beat Pikachu, too, right?
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Machamp can move a mountain with his arm and can send his foes flying over the horizon...? Without any reason, without evidence, and you say the game do not exaggerate their abilities? Hell, they can't even put a logical reasoning of how they can perform these abilities, nothing of those descriptions makes any sense and it doesn't fit. 'can send his foes over the horizon', that sounds really fallacious. You never saw them doing that sort of things. You admitted that both sources are canon. You are being a judge here, choosing what is important or what is not. Common sense is telling me that water can't pass through pure steel, no matter how strong that water shot is. Unless they do show Blastoise doing it. If you read the meaning of hyperbole you'll realize it.
The Game > The Anime, so, no, it doesn't exaggerate. Lol? You don't believe water can cut through steel? Why not? I know the meaning of hyperbole, someone before you has tried to tell me I didn't. As it turned out, they were the ones who didn't actually know the definition.
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/065.shtml
"Its brain can outperform a supercomputer. Its IQ (intelligence quotient) is said to be around 5,000. "
Alakazam can mindrape any of the FF crew before they can do anything.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ultimecia cannot do anything while being punched 2000 times in 2 seconds. She DOES get hit, because Bullet Punch hits her. It doesn't matter if they start right next to each other or not, because they'll start close enough. It's not like she'll start the fight in space.
Machamp won't be near her. She can teleport and bullet punch isn't even the same as Quick Attack and Extreme Speed outside of game mechanics. Machamp dies.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/065.shtml"Its brain can outperform a supercomputer. Its IQ (intelligence quotient) is said to be around 5,000. "
Alakazam can mindrape any of the FF crew before they can do anything.
Alakazaam lives in a pokeball and obeys a Pokemon trainer like a dog. If he's so smart, he would've escaped and captured Mewtwo yet the leader of Team Rocket has a much lower IQ and is more of a threat to it.