People need to stop using the anime as if it matters at all when talking about the games.
The average rifle bullet flies at 800-1,000 meters per second. Irving was using a sniper rifle, a soopa futuristic sniper at that, it reaching her in two seconds was for dramatic effect.
Though actually I think she was over a thousand meters away from him, was far away and stuff.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You did just bring up another excellent point. We happen to have the advantage of following the bullet the entire time, and have the ability to know exactly how much time it took to travel this distance, which I clocked at roughly two seconds. If the estimate from earlier in the thread was true, then that bullet moves about 100 - 150 feet per second or, 30.48 - 45.72 meters per second if my calculator is correct. That may just be one of the slowest bullets in fiction. The good news is she could have heard the shot well before that bullet hits her. The bad news is she's still way too slow.
Yes, we can follow the bullet, but I believe is just for a cool effect. On top of that, what you're suggesting, I doubt that scene was made to let us calculate how much time it took the bullet to impact, that's what you want to believe, that wouldn't make sense to the plot. That scene was made to let us know that Irvine fired and that Edea blocked his attack, thus reacting to a shot, thus Irvine failed, simple as that. It's a bullet, it can't be slower than normal. It can't be slower than normal bullets by the fact that the whole mission was to assassinate her in the first place. They wouldn't use a slow bullet to hit a Sorceress. No one cares about the speed of the bullet. That is absurd. The whole mission is to assassinate her when she was not aware, THAT IS the whole mission, so how comes she already had the field? That does NOT make any sense, at all. When they failed they had to fight her, and Irvine fought her with his Shotgun anyway, the difference is that this time she was aware. So again, that does not make any sense, dude. And.... again, this is purely speculation from your part, without any basis in fact. You are desperate to prove you are right, I'm afraid you are not. You are simply wrong.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I said she put up a field before the shot was even fired, given all the time she had. That may still be true.
False. Your points don't even make sense.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
How would it have nothing to do with the plot? It's part of her assassination attempt. It would not be irrelevant at all.
Because that has nothing to do with anything. All of what you have mentioned: 'Speed of sound', 'the speed of the bullet', 'gunpowder', etc. Anything of that it's related to the plot. So stop making your own versions of the game, making up things and theories. IS irrelevant.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
What does Pikachu's position have to do with anything? Pikachu doesn't have to worry at all since it's his electricity, but Swellow has plenty to worry about. Current is going through him the entire time.
Pikachu received the first impact, he was above after all. After that, they were charged up with electricity. Once they are charged, the current means nothing.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yes, we can follow the bullet, but I believe is just for a cool effect. On top of that, what you're suggesting, I doubt that scene was made to let us calculate how much time it took the bullet to impact, that's what you want to believe, that wouldn't make sense to the plot. That scene was made to let us know that Irvine fired and that Edea blocked his attack, thus reacting to a shot, thus Irvine failed, simple as that. It's a bullet, it can't be slower than normal. It can't be slower than normal bullets by the fact that the whole mission was to assassinate her in the first place. They wouldn't use a slow bullet to hit a Sorceress. No one cares about the speed of the bullet. That is absurd. The whole mission is to assassinate her when she was not aware, THAT IS the whole mission, so how comes she already had the field? That does NOT make any sense, at all. When they failed they had to fight her, and Irvine fought her with his Shotgun anyway, the difference is that this time she was aware. So again, that does not make any sense, dude. And.... again, this is purely speculation from your part, without any basis in fact. You are desperate to prove you are right, I'm afraid you are not. You are simply wrong.
So when cut scenes don't work as FF evidence, what does? What is it that makes the bullet traveling just for cool effect?
What do you use for the movement speed of these characters? Visual effects could be the same as you say the bullet is, just for something cool to look at. That would work for the time it takes, too.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
False. Your points don't even make sense.
I've tried this "it wouldn't make sense" stuff before. It doesn't work.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Because that has nothing to do with anything. All of what you have mentioned: 'Speed of sound', 'the speed of the bullet', 'gunpowder', etc. Anything of that it's related to the plot. So stop making your own versions of the game, making up things and theories. IS irrelevant.
Please, stop pretending. You are not incapable of making sense of those points. I know you're not.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Pikachu received the first impact, he was above after all. After that, they were charged up with electricity. Once they are charged, the current means nothing.
Being charged up with Pikachu's electricity goes beyond something like a simple static charge.
Besides, you are desperate to prove your point. So you bring imaginative elements to it like "charge." None of that has any relevance to the plot.
Thunder Armor was an example of the anime not making any sense.
Anyway, I think it would make some sense for Edea to try to defend herself when the cage fell around her. At that point, she knew something was coming, even if she didn't exactly know it was a bullet. I mean, if a giant cage fell around me, I'd put up a shield if I had one. It just seemed a poor assassination attempt to give her so much advance warning.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So when cut scenes don't work as FF evidence, what does? What is it that makes the bullet traveling just for cool effect?What do you use for the movement speed of these characters? Visual effects could be the same as you say the bullet is, just for something cool to look at. That would work for the time it takes, too.
What are you trying to say? You think that scene is evidence of the bullet's speed? You think it was made to let us know its speed? You really think that the plot wanted to show the bullet's speed? You really think that's important to the plot? You really think you're not speculating? You must be joking. At this rate, the only logical reasoning you had (And I must accept it) was when you said when they caught Edea in the parade, then she suspected that something was about to happen, which by the way it's obvious, but not more to add. Other than that, you're just pulling a bunch of irrelevant information here, making theories and bold claims about the bullet, 'its accuracy', 'its distance', its 'speed', 'the rifle's type', 'if Irvine is retarded or not', 'if Edea was waiting for him to shot while looking at him', etc. All irrelevant. And you know what? You're doing it just to denying what the scene truly shows and because it hurts your stance. The scene shows Irvine firing at Edea when she was not aware, because that's the whole purpose of the mission, and finally Edea blocking the bullet, thus Irvine failed, therefore they failed their mission, hell, even Squall said that Irvine's aim was perfect, so. THAT is relevant to the plot. THAT is what they wanted to show and to let us know, It's not that hard to understand. That was an scene effect, a dramatic effect. Just to add suspense to those moments in the attempt of assassination, to add a bit of tension. Not to let us know its 'speed', it is not necessary to know the bullet's speed, the developers didn't wanted to show to us its speed by making that scene. Hello? it's a bullet. That's like saying that Seifer wasn't there due to the: "Visual effects". There are moments that we don't see Seifer, he has disappeared completely from the place, despite of that, we perfectly know he's standing alongside Edea. It's just that they wanted to focus the whole scene on Edea, not because Seifer wasn't there.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've tried this "it wouldn't make sense" stuff before. It doesn't work.
It's not because I just want to say: "it doesn't make sense" to prove you wrong or to hurt your stance. What you say does not make any sense friend. I can, and I do admit when something makes sense, but this does not, not to the plot, not when the plot is related to your logic and claims. It simply does not. No offense.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Please, stop pretending. You are not incapable of making sense of those points. I know you're not.
I know you are though.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Being charged up with Pikachu's electricity goes beyond something like a simple static charge.Besides, you are desperate to prove your point. So you bring imaginative elements to it like "charge." None of that has any relevance to the plot.
Did I said it was just a simple static charge? Don't start putting words in my mouth. I can see their faces and Pikachu is hardly resisting the charge, the same goes for Swellow.
But once they are charged, the current means nothing.
I am desperate...? Well, now that made me to laugh a bit.
Are you trolling or something? Also your sarcasm isn't very intelligent. And I thought that was an electric charge. Well, what's that, then? What the hell they did? Can you explain? If not, okay, I'll use your way to see logic. Zeus granted them the Thunder Armor.
Oh goodie, here we go again.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
What are you trying to say? You think that scene is evidence of the bullet's speed? You think it was made to let us know its speed? You really think that the plot wanted to show the bullet's speed? You really think that's important to the plot? You really think you're not speculating? You must be joking. At this rate, the only logical reasoning you had (And I must accept it) was when you said when they caught Edea in the parade, then she suspected that something was about to happen, which by the way it's obvious, but not more to add. Other than that, you're just pulling a bunch of irrelevant information here, making theories and bold claims about the bullet, 'its accuracy', 'its distance', its 'speed', 'the rifle's type', 'if Irvine is retarded or not', 'if Edea was waiting for him to shot while looking at him', etc. All irrelevant. And you know what? You're doing it just to denying what the scene truly shows and because it hurts your stance. The scene shows Irvine firing at Edea when she was not aware, because that's the whole purpose of the mission, and finally Edea blocking the bullet, thus Irvine failed, therefore they failed their mission, hell, even Squall said that Irvine's aim was perfect, so. THAT is relevant to the plot. THAT is what they wanted to show and to let us know, It's not that hard to understand. That was an scene effect, a dramatic effect. Just to add suspense to those moments in the attempt of assassination, to add a bit of tension. Not to let us know its 'speed', it is not necessary to know the bullet's speed, the developers didn't wanted to show to us its speed by making that scene. Hello? it's a bullet. That's like saying that Seifer wasn't there due to the: "Visual effects". There are moments that we don't see Seifer, he has disappeared completely from the place, despite of that, we perfectly know he's standing alongside Edea. It's just that they wanted to focus the whole scene on Edea, not because Seifer wasn't there.
If it wasn't meant to show speed why are you using it to show a reaction feat? I doubt everything we use as feats around here are meant to be precisely calculated like we do, but we have to. It helps to measure how good a feat is. Otherwise we'd have people basing strength feats on what size something is and other stupid stuff. "That lead block is only one square inch. But that feather is huge! Clearly the feather lifter is stronger."
I haven't mentioned anything about accuracy. Distance and speed are highly important to the feat. If you were somehow able to shoot a bullet over 200 meters with it only moving at a speed of 1 meter per second you could easily dodge it. Or tank it, for that matter.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
It's not because I just want to say: "it doesn't make sense" to prove you wrong or to hurt your stance. What you say does not make any sense friend. I can, and I do admit when something makes sense, but this does not, not to the plot, not when the plot is related to your logic and claims. It simply does not. No offense.
It makes perfect sense and you know it does. Something was about to happen, you admitted this. We never see Ultimecia put up a force field. You know that. The bullet hits the force field, stopping it from hitting Ultimecia. You know that. What you don't know is when that force field was put up.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I know you are though.
They are my points. How would I not make sense of them?
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Did I said it was just a simple static charge? Don't start putting words in my mouth. I can see their faces and Pikachu is hardly resisting the charge, the same goes for Swellow.
But once they are charged, the current means nothing.I am desperate...? Well, now that made me to laugh a bit.
Are you trolling or something? Also your sarcasm isn't very intelligent. And I thought that was an electric charge. Well, what's that, then? What the hell they did? Can you explain? If not, okay, I'll use your way to see logic. Zeus granted them the Thunder Armor.
I don't recall saying you said it was a simple static charge. It isn't true, you know. You can't hold a charge of that magnitude while being weak to electricity and be unfazed. This is why I brought up static charge, the only reason we don't feel it is because it is relatively small.
It made me laugh too. I was just mocking your previous responses to the Ultimecia stuff. But do tell, in what way is Zeus granting them Thunder Armor my logic?