Originally posted by BloodRain
From the clouds he was just above, 6km. So thats 1000m/s for the throw, 171m/s flying up there. Even at 11k he'd be flying at 300m/s, slow bullet speed. Average bullet speed being 400+. Should of took that bet :/
Edit: My numbers say he flew up at 611, he also flew back down in time to already have landed when MAgmar resurfaces, so he decends faster than he ascended.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well we didn't see her hand move at all, so she did have it up already. Whether or not it was in reaction to the bullet is the speculation portion. Care to put it aside? I will as well after this post. Well, when speaking about it to you I will. But somebody else will probably bring it up.
How you pretend we'll be able to see her arm moving when it was just a second? Wasn't that "camera" you mention on Irvine's side? The game doesn't need to show how she moved her arm, because is obvious she reacted to the attack protecting herself. It's a logical reasoning, actually. That scene is very clear, I know you don't want to acknowledge anything from the Final Fantasy characters, but you are crossing the line.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It's pretty impossible for her to have heard that shot before the bullet hit her. If she did, that bullet is slower than Mach 1, putting her reaction time below what she'd need to react to Machamp. And you even contradicted yourself. "She heard the shot so she put up a field, she didn't know she was about to get attacked by a shot."
Like I said, I do not care about Machamp, and I hardly believe Machamp's abilities are accurate, I have already explained it.
Why am I contradicting myself? You was claiming she already knew about the attack, so she put a field, therefore she already had that field. I said is impossible that she could have known about the attack (Shot, in this case). Once she heard the shot, she simply reacted and protected herself with the field. She hadn't a field. Also... What Nephthys says about her... He says she saw the bullet, that's also a logical reasoning, so it could count, it's the same, she reacted to the shot putting the field.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Are you serious? The game camera. You know, the one from which we view the events of the game.I know you aren't seriously incapable of connecting these points. And the speed of sound is not imaginative.
Ah, yes.
It is something irrelevant to support your claims. The speed of sound is one of the imaginative elements you brought forth, to support your claims about this scene. I call it imaginative because has nothing to do with anything in the plot and has no relevance nor basis in fact.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Electric current is still charging through Swellow's Body.
With Pikachu doing the job above his head, lol. They don't had to worry once they are charged up. That charge lasted few seconds anyway, lol.
He was very high above them. You see Magmar flying past them during his decent. You can also see the ridiculously small size the island shrinks to in the distance. It's an incredible throw, regardless.Edit: My numbers say he flew up at 611, he also flew back down in time to already have landed when MAgmar resurfaces, so he decends faster than he ascended.
At max from the time after the last clouds, 7km. Though we dont need an accurate number unless someone wants to get joules out of it >,> *points to off-topic* lol Great throw either way.
Took him 30 secs to pass the last clouds (6km ones(up to 200m/s)) but gthe dive back down did get up to 600m/s speeds.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
How you pretend we'll be able to see her arm moving when it was just a second? Wasn't that "camera" you mention on Irvine's side? The game doesn't need to show how she moved her arm, because is obvious she reacted to the attack protecting herself. It's a logical reasoning, actually. That scene is very clear, I know you don't want to acknowledge anything from the Final Fantasy characters, but you are crossing the line.
You did just bring up another excellent point. We happen to have the advantage of following the bullet the entire time, and have the ability to know exactly how much time it took to travel this distance, which I clocked at roughly two seconds. If the estimate from earlier in the thread was true, then that bullet moves about 100 - 150 feet per second or, 30.48 - 45.72 meters per second if my calculator is correct. That may just be one of the slowest bullets in fiction. The good news is she could have heard the shot well before that bullet hits her. The bad news is she's still way too slow.
Look for yourself.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Like I said, I do not care about Machamp, and I hardly believe Machamp's abilities are accurate, I have already explained it.
Why am I contradicting myself? You was claiming she already knew about the attack, so she put a field, therefore she already had that field. I said is impossible that she could have known about the attack (Shot, in this case). Once she heard the shot, she simply reacted and protected herself with the field. She hadn't a field. Also... What Nephthys says about her... He says she saw the bullet, that's also a logical reasoning, so it could count, it's the same, she reacted to the shot putting the field.
I said she put up a field before the shot was even fired, given all the time she had. That may still be true.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Ah, yes.It is something irrelevant to support your claims. The speed of sound is one of the imaginative elements you brought forth, to support your claims about this scene. I call it imaginative because has nothing to do with anything in the plot and has no relevance nor basis in fact.
How would it have nothing to do with the plot? It's part of her assassination attempt. It would not be irrelevant at all.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
With Pikachu doing the job above his head, lol. They don't had to worry once they are charged up. That charge lasted few seconds anyway, lol.
What does Pikachu's position have to do with anything? Pikachu doesn't have to worry at all since it's his electricity, but Swellow has plenty to worry about. Current is going through him the entire time.
Really, isn't there some better argument than that? Are you seriously suggesting she had the shield up the whole time? Lets see if I can point out why that is a bit...off. You must say she had her hand up the whole time, which is ridiculous. Why would Irvine take the shot if she had her hand up? He would probably tell Squall to get down because in all honesty, with her hand up I'd expect an attack at me. Trying to pass it off as a way huh? She never seemed to wave before. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, she insulted everyone in the audience and committed murder right in front of them. Why would she wave to them at all? The assassination could have taken place from more than just that one spot. Not to criticize SeeD or anything, but I would have had a bomb on her float. Don't know how I'd do it, but that would have been my solution.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel👆
Really, isn't there some better argument than that? Are you seriously suggesting she had the shield up the whole time? Lets see if I can point out why that is a bit...off. You must say she had her hand up the whole time, which is ridiculous. Why would Irvine take the shot if she had her hand up? He would probably tell Squall to get down because in all honesty, with her hand up I'd expect an attack at me. Trying to pass it off as a way huh? She never seemed to wave before. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, she insulted everyone in the audience and committed murder right in front of them. Why would she wave to them at all? The assassination could have taken place from more than just that one spot. Not to criticize SeeD or anything, but I would have had a bomb on her float. Don't know how I'd do it, but that would have been my solution.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Actually she only leans forward after the hit. Eye-line doesn't move.
Her head tilts forward. If she's still looking at the same spot, why even move her head?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Really, isn't there some better argument than that? Are you seriously suggesting she had the shield up the whole time? Lets see if I can point out why that is a bit...off. You must say she had her hand up the whole time, which is ridiculous. Why would Irvine take the shot if she had her hand up? He would probably tell Squall to get down because in all honesty, with her hand up I'd expect an attack at me. Trying to pass it off as a way huh? She never seemed to wave before. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, she insulted everyone in the audience and committed murder right in front of them. Why would she wave to them at all? The assassination could have taken place from more than just that one spot. Not to criticize SeeD or anything, but I would have had a bomb on her float. Don't know how I'd do it, but that would have been my solution.
Would Irving know she can project forcefields? Would he have any reason to suspect such a hand position matters?
She honestly had all the time in the world to anticipate something.
If the earlier estimates of distance are correct then that bullet may have been within normal human reaction time. I could also be wrong about normal human reaction time, and I think I am. Regardless, that bullet is way too slow.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Would Irving know she can project forcefields? Would he have any reason to suspect such a hand position matters?She honestly had all the time in the world to anticipate something.
If the earlier estimates of distance are correct then that bullet may have been within normal human reaction time. I could also be wrong about normal human reaction time, and I think I am. Regardless, that bullet is way too slow.
Hmm, not sure. By this point in the game, you can do magic. Magic is literally performed by sticking your hand out. But the far more believable answer was he never saw her with a hand out until the bullet was blocked.
Indeed. But you still must look at the fact that Irvine is not stupid. She never had her hand out until she blocked the bullet and there isn't much evidence to suggest otherwise. None that I see anyway.
Don't really care how fast the bullet is.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. But you still must look at the fact that Irvine is not stupid. She never had her hand out until she blocked the bullet and there isn't much evidence to suggest otherwise. None that I see anyway.Don't really care how fast the bullet is.
Prove it.
You should. At a certain speed it becomes a useless feat.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Because its human to move?He wouldnt shoot at her with her hand raised at him. She just reacted to the sniper shot.
Not when you're already looking where your sight has been drawn.
Which would be unimpressive anyway due to it being so slow.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Prove it.You should. At a certain speed it becomes a useless feat.
.50 is the last you see of her. She is standing and looking around. Next time you see her, the bullet hit her shield and her arm is raised in the air. She clearly had it there the entire time. I mean, it just couldn't be any other way. Irvine is obviously the most piss poor sniper ever and doesn't recognize a gesture used to cast magic. Only that doesn't sound right now does it? 🙄
Now why should I care? Because it gets rid of a feat? I'm not arguing the point here. I'm telling you that your theory that she had her shield up the whole time is bogus.