Pokemon v.s. Final Fantasy, with less speculation!

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Do you realize how fast water has to be moving to punch through steel? A water propelled tackle might be slow since he is so heavy, but the water jets themselves, no way.

Can you show me where Blastoise performs this?

It's a Pokedex quote. It is within his capabilities.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It's a Pokedex quote. It is within his capabilities.

Well, surely he used it in the game, right? Show me, because that's an useful ability.

Wait, you want a video of Hydro Pump/Cannon?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Wait, you want a video of Hydro Pump/Cannon?

No.
Aren't you guys saying that Blastoise can pass through steel with that attack? Well, I would love to see that. I know it's from the Pokedex, but if that's canon, then Blastoise for sure used the attack in canon. I mean, it wouldn't make much sense if they said he can do it and he never did it... I haven't played the games, that's why I'm asking.

They say a lot of things that most pokemon never do, but some of them actually do what the pokedex says they can though.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1. This is incorrect, Machamp has multiple long range abilities. It also has several priority moves, making it decently fast.

It has Foresight to hit ghosts and deal with evasive foes but that's not something that would work on Team FF (unless they got Image/Blink). It has Scary Face but what character outside of Pokemon is gonna be afraid of him? Squall, Cloud, Vincent, and Zell have faced opponents that would make Alakazaam shit himself.

Ice Materia won't do anything to Charizard or Blastoise. If he is hit by either, he's probably a goner.

I forget Fire had Ice resistance after R/B/Y. Cloud is not a sitting duck, he's pretty fast and IIRC is a bullet-timer. If what FF fanboys said is true, Cloud survived Sin Bahamut's flare without damage.

2. I agree Charizard is overrated. Alakazam happens to be extremely fast. And it can easily TK more than one enemy at a time, as its movement is TK working on itself. Charizard should be enough of a match for Vincent with flight and long range abilities. Can Vincent fly?

Vincent can only fly as Chaos Vincent. If he can jump as high as Cloud and appear like he's flying, that would happen in Dirge of Cerberus. I haven't played that game so I wouldn't know. Charizard against Vincent? Charizard is no bullet-timer. Plus Vincent can load his Cerberus with Thunder materia and blast it out of the air.

3. Do you realize how fast water has to be moving to punch through steel? A water propelled tackle might be slow since he is so heavy, but the water jets themselves, no way.

I was under the impression that Hydro Pump would so highly pressured that they can cause injury or death It's pretty much how I picture FF Water to affect enemies (because drowning sounds lame).

Withdraw + Hydro Pump is all a Blastoise should really need. Rapid Spin might help out, especially if added with his Hydro Pump.

Hydro Pump won't be as powerful when spun around. Plus Blastoise is still vulnerable on top.

Blastoise also has Haze, which outside of gameplay capabilities would also decrease vision.

Because Haze is supposed to Black Mist while Swift is supposed to be Speed Star. I've always wondered who came up with these shitty Americanized names. Well there's another smokescreen for you.

5. I already mentioned some things about Alakazam. Take note that with Machamp's ability No Guard, all its attacks hit without fail, as do the opponents. But this means Machamp can get off about a thousand Dynamic Punches in a second. Should he for some reason only get one good hit, Dynamic Punch has a 100% Confuse rate.

I'm not familiar with these Pokemon abilities after G/S/C but it seems I didn't have to know No Guard since it reflects on Machamp's rapid punches.

Without Time Compression, can Ultimecia do any of that? Earthquake does actually hit everyone in the battle, too. Unless they are a Flying type or off the ground.

Flying and off the ground is what I was talking about.

I'm sure Ultimecia can do everything I listed without Time Compression. I'm not including sealing abilities and fusing with creations as they only exist when Time Compression is activated. I think I'll remove bringing thoughts to life as well since she only did that during the last part of the game. Her first form in the final fight (minus the absorption) seems valid enough as she is a powerful sorceress capable of possessing minds.

I don't think Chaos Vincent is in this either, it does say Vincent, though.

Chaos Vincent is just a form of Vincent via Limit Break.

Alakazam would probably get at least Cloud or Squall with its abilities. Tyranitar or Machamp could handle Zell. However for the most part Vincent and Ultimecia seem to be the most threatening however I'm still not convinced that the FFverse can win.

Machamp can move mountains with one arm. 😐

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
It has Foresight to hit ghosts and deal with evasive foes but that's not something that would work on Team FF (unless they got Image/Blink). It has Scary Face but what character outside of Pokemon is gonna be afraid of him? Squall, Cloud, Vincent, and Zell have faced opponents that would make Alakazaam shit himself.

I forget Fire had Ice resistance after R/B/Y. Cloud is not a sitting duck, he's pretty fast and IIRC is a bullet-timer. If what FF fanboys said is true, Cloud survived Sin Bahamut's flare without damage.

Vincent can only fly as Chaos Vincent. If he can jump as high as Cloud and appear like he's flying, that would happen in Dirge of Cerberus. I haven't played that game so I wouldn't know. Charizard against Vincent? Charizard is no bullet-timer. Plus Vincent can load his Cerberus with Thunder materia and blast it out of the air.

I was under the impression that Hydro Pump would so highly pressured that they can cause injury or death It's pretty much how I picture FF Water to affect enemies (because drowning sounds lame).

Hydro Pump won't be as powerful when spun around. Plus Blastoise is still vulnerable on top.

Because Haze is supposed to Black Mist while Swift is supposed to be Speed Star. I've always wondered who came up with these shitty Americanized names. Well there's another smokescreen for you.

I'm not familiar with these Pokemon abilities after G/S/C but it seems I didn't have to know No Guard since it reflects on Machamp's rapid punches.

Flying and off the ground is what I was talking about.

I'm sure Ultimecia can do everything I listed without Time Compression. I'm not including sealing abilities and fusing with creations as they only exist when Time Compression is activated. I think I'll remove bringing thoughts to life as well since she only did that during the last part of the game. Her first form in the final fight (minus the absorption) seems valid enough as she is a powerful sorceress capable of possessing minds.

Chaos Vincent is just a form of Vincent via Limit Break.

I didn't mention either of those moves. 😐 I was thinking more like Vacuum Wave.

Not going to be as hot as Charizard.

Jumping is incredibly different from flying, unless your name is Mario. A jump would be easy to dodge. Even Ash's wimpy Charizard is pretty aerially mobile with Ash on its back.

Pretty much, but I think at that speed its capable of cutting through people.

Sure it will, it's still shooting the water forcefully, only now its in every direction and hits are in repeated bursts instead of a continuous stream.

You don't really need to guard throwing punches at that speed. Its insane, really.

Aren't those a result of that Sorceress Power whatchamacallit? Don't think she has that.

I'd like some feats on Ultimecia's spells, particularly her elemental ones. she impales Squall with ice spikes, hardly a destructive feat next to the power behind pokemon attacks. 😐

Tyranitar's ability is Sand Stream, so it automatically creates a Sandstom wherever it goes. Which is pretty cool.

They have to take out Charizard/Alakazam/Machamp first IMO.

One thing about Ultimecia, she can easily go into Griever form in this fight by taking the Lion concept from Squall's mind, like she did in FF8. I have no idea what it does though, maybe GrieverSquall can elaborate on Griever Ultimecia's abilities 😛

The Ruby Dragon is enough, at least, to beat Charizard...

Seriously... The characters constantly kill these kind of creatures, it would be good to make a thread Pokemon Vs. Monsters.

And about Ultimecia...
Heythere,Honey. I suppose you are talking about the one from Dissidia, but I think they talk about the one from the main story. Either way, I don't see her fighting these Pokemons. In my opinion her powers are beyond even of these Final Fantasy characters.
Monsters like this Ruby Dragon, for her, are garbage.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
They say a lot of things that most pokemon never do, but some of them actually do what the pokedex says they can though.

Then we gotta follow what they can really do. Blastoise has never done something like that. Even if is from the Pokedex from the game, it's still a very exaggerated claim without any basis.
Like: 'Yeah, the Pikachu from the game can destroy the whole universe' and stuff... I don't know, I don't see it as accurate represetations of the original Pokemons capabilities which ones are from the Anime. I have heard Machamp can move a mountain with his arm? WTF.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Then we gotta follow what they can really do. Blastoise has never done something like that. Even if is from the Pokedex from the game, it's still a very exaggerated claim without any basis.
Like: 'Yeah, the Pikachu from the game can destroy the whole universe' and stuff... I don't know, I don't see it as accurate represetations of the original Pokemons capabilities which ones are from the Anime. I have heard Machamp can move a mountain with his arm? WTF.

1. Statements are statements and canon. Not every character has the benefit of cut scenes that are meant to look cool. Nintendo has a strict rule that action is to be played, not watched.

2. In no way are these exaggerations. BT tried to pull that crap too.

3. The anime is an extremely poor representation of power and ability in many cases.

No, the games came before the anime, so the games are the original canon. And what the games say goes, in my opinion. Further, Pikachu isn't exeptionally powerful. It's the anime version that breaks several laws of the pokemon world (I would have said laws of physics, but...) Game Pikachu can cause thunderstorms passively when in groups, but that's about it.

Pikachu is like, the Wolverine of the Pokemon anime. I don't think he should be able to do half the things he does, but he does it anyway.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Statements are statements and canon. Not every character has the benefit of cut scenes that are meant to look cool. Nintendo has a strict rule that action is to be played, not watched.

Indeed, I never said they weren't. I never mentioned anything about cut-scenes either. But how the hell you can back up the claim that Blastoise can do that? I mean, his water attack passing through steel? If it's canon, you can automatically kill a Pokemon in the game, then.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
2. In no way are these exaggerations. BT tried to pull that crap too.

Machamp moving a MOUNTAIN with his arm is not exaggerated, you say? Are you okay, mate? What's BT?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
3. The anime is an extremely poor representation of power and ability in many cases.

Why?

Also, how comes the game came before the Anime?

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
The Ruby Dragon is enough, at least, to beat Charizard...

Seriously... The characters constantly kill these kind of creatures, it would be good to make a thread Pokemon Vs. Monsters.

And about Ultimecia...
Heythere,Honey. I suppose you are talking about the one from Dissidia, but I think they talk about the one from the main story. Either way, I don't see her fighting these Pokemons. In my opinion her powers are beyond even of these Final Fantasy characters.
Monsters like this Ruby Dragon, for her, are garbage.

Then we gotta follow what they can really do. Blastoise has never done something like that. Even if is from the Pokedex from the game, it's still a very exaggerated claim without any basis.
Like: 'Yeah, the Pikachu from the game can destroy the whole universe' and stuff... I don't know, I don't see it as accurate represetations of the original Pokemons capabilities which ones are from the Anime. I have heard Machamp can move a mountain with his arm? WTF.

I'd also like to know why you believe that dragon could take on Charizard?

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THIS. DOES. NOT. HAPPEN.