Pokemon v.s. Final Fantasy, with less speculation!

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Indeed, I never said they weren't. I never mentioned anything about cut-scenes either. But how the hell you can back up the claim that Blastoise can do that? I mean, his water attack passing through steel? If it's canon, you can automatically kill a Pokemon in the game, then.

Machamp moving a MOUNTAIN with his arm is not exaggerated, you say? Are you okay, mate? What's BT?

Why?

Also, how comes the game came before the Anime?

The Pokedex doesn't need to be backed up, it's the Pokedex. 😐

No, it isn't. I'm fine, thanks for asking. But the voices really don't seem to like you. 😬

Beats me. Because the games precede the anime.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I didn't mention either of those moves. 😐 I was thinking more like Vacuum Wave.

Uh-oh, TM! Cloud uses Knights of Round and slaughters the entire team. Ultimecia freezes time and kills everybody.

Not going to be as hot as Charizard.

How would you know?

Jumping is incredibly different from flying, unless your name is Mario. A jump would be easy to dodge. Even Ash's wimpy Charizard is pretty aerially mobile with Ash on its back.

Mario's jumping sucks compared to Cloud's.

Pretty much, but I think at that speed its capable of cutting through people.

Hydropump has never been shown to be faster than anything Cloud has avoided.

Aren't those a result of that Sorceress Power whatchamacallit? Don't think she has that.

Ok, Ultimecia freezes time, summons a lot of magical darts, unfreezes time, and everyone dies.

Hydropump has never been shown to be faster than anything Cloud has avoided.

Ok, Ultimecia freezes time,

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The Pokedex doesn't need to be backed up, it's the Pokedex. no expression

No, it isn't. I'm fine, thanks for asking. But the voices really don't seem to like you. erm

Beats me. Because the games precede the anime.

Of course not. What Blastoise does need to be backed up. If he can do it, he surely did it in the canon of the game, right? Show me, I haven't played the game. If he can do it on the battles, then he for sure can kill Pokemons in the Gameplay with just one attack, right? Because his attack passes through steel. If he can't, then? Does this make any sense...?

Conveniently for you, it isn't, that's okay. I don't understand what you mean here anyway.

Beats me? That's not an argument.
You said it was extremely poor representations of their abilities, I need to know what makes you to reach that conclusion. I'm listening. The game precede the Anime...? What happens in the Anime, at least can be backed up, you know?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
why you believe that dragon could take on Charizard?

I guess his abilities are pretty similar, Charizard can deal a powerful fire breath, Ruby Dragon can deal a very powerful (non-elemental) breath. Both can deal claw attacks or bites, also both of them can fly. Dunno, I suppose Ruby Dragon has more endurance, it seems bigger. Well, it can be also a draw, Charizard isn't a push-over.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Of course not. What Blastoise does need to be backed up. If he can do it, he surely did it in the canon of the game, right? Show me, I haven't played the game. If he can do it on the battles, then he for sure can kill Pokemons in the Gameplay with just one attack, right? Because his attack passes through steel. If he can't, then? Does this make any sense...?

Conveniently for you, it isn't, that's okay. I don't understand what you mean here anyway.

Beats me? That's not an argument.
You said it was extremely poor representations of their abilities, I need to know what makes you to reach that conclusion. I'm listening. The game precede the Anime...? What happens in the Anime, at least can be backed up, you know?

I guess his abilities are pretty similar, Charizard can deal a powerful fire breath, Ruby Dragon can deal a very powerful (non-elemental) breath. Both can deal claw attacks or bites, also both of them can fly. Dunno, I suppose Ruby Dragon has more endurance, it seems bigger. Well, it can be also a draw, Charizard isn't a push-over.

Also, your comparison is based entirely on them being similar and the dragon being larger? Does it have any feats? 😐 Charizard can bathe in lava unscathed, melt boulders and ten thousand ton glaciers, and it's flames are on record hot enough to melt any known material.

So if Cloud gets all his materia, does the mean everyone else gets there all there stuff?

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Uh-oh, TM! Cloud uses Knights of Round and slaughters the entire team. Ultimecia freezes time and kills everybody.

How would you know?

Mario's jumping sucks compared to Cloud's.

Hydropump has never been shown to be faster than anything Cloud has avoided.

Ok, Ultimecia freezes time, summons a lot of magical darts, unfreezes time, and everyone dies.

Lol? There is no TM for Vacuum Wave. But I was incorrect, Machamp doesn't learn it. He'd have to use Bullet Punch.

No feats?

Ultimecia freezing time? Well that's new, was pretty sure all she did was compress it which isn't allowed here.

No. But you did see my point, jumping high can get you to the height, but you can't really go anywhere but that direction unless your name is Mario.

What ScreamPaste said.

What I said earlier.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Of course not. What Blastoise does need to be backed up. If he can do it, he surely did it in the canon of the game, right? Show me, I haven't played the game. If he can do it on the battles, then he for sure can kill Pokemons in the Gameplay with just one attack, right? Because his attack passes through steel. If he can't, then? Does this make any sense...?

Conveniently for you, it isn't, that's okay. I don't understand what you mean here anyway.

Beats me? That's not an argument.
You said it was extremely poor representations of their abilities, I need to know what makes you to reach that conclusion. I'm listening. The game precede the Anime...? What happens in the Anime, at least can be backed up, you know?

Blastoise having this ability is, in fact, in the canon of the game. This canon takes the form of the Pokedex.

K? Er, yeah, I'll go with K.

The anime fluctuates in accuracy to the Pokedex. In one episode Pikachu and Piplup are trying to be found and they end up creating a thunderstorm, which speaks for Pikachu's power as it normally takes multiple. Then we have situations where something like a Lairon is hurting itself by smashing its face into rocks, despite having access to the Rock Head ability and an incredibly high defense. The anime is just weird, it's like a PIS monster machine.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So if Cloud gets all his materia, does the mean everyone else gets there all there stuff?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Alakazam, embargo = no weapons/items for FF cast

He has to use it first. And Cloud could just stop time before he does it. Not to mention the fact that it only stops use of 1 held item and items from the bag. Materia can be else where.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He has to use it first. And Cloud could just stop time before he does it. Not to mention the fact that it only stops use of 1 held item and items from the bag. Materia can be else where.

I'm confused, when does cloud stop time again?

Originally posted by Cyner
I'm confused, when does cloud stop time again?

When he uses the Time materia that he posses. 😐

Its not exactly time stop but more of like statsis as other enemies can still move but not the target.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Its not exactly time stop but more of like statsis as other enemies can still move but not the target.

True, it is more like that. But in this case, Cloud wouldn't have to worry about them. He was given all of his materia, which included the "All" materia that would allow him to target all the pokemon at once.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Blastoise having this ability is, in fact, in the canon of the game. This canon takes the form of the Pokedex.

But you are repeating yourself here.
I never said something against the Pokedex. I'm using logic to try to understand how his attack works. He has used this attack in the game or not? His attack has passed through some steel in the game? Or that's just some vague description about Blastoise?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The anime fluctuates in accuracy to the Pokedex. In one episode Pikachu and Piplup are trying to be found and they end up creating a thunderstorm, which speaks for Pikachu's power as it normally takes multiple. Then we have situations where something like a Lairon is hurting itself by smashing its face into rocks, despite having access to the Rock Head ability and an incredibly high defense. The anime is just weird, it's like a PIS monster machine.

The Anime has got its own Pokedex, you know.
I didn't said anything about Pikachu and his powers, I perfectly know his powers. At least you can use those as evidence.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Even in the anime we see them taking lavabaths

I can see a fish taking baths, living and breathing underwater. So? That has nothing to do with a fight. It's his nature.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, your comparison is based entirely on them being similar and the dragon being larger? Does it have any feats? no expression Charizard can bathe in lava unscathed, melt boulders and ten thousand ton glaciers, and it's flames are on record hot enough to melt any known material.

Feats? I haven't named them already? Who cares if Charizard can bathe in lava? What have to do that in a fight? I have read about melting boulders and all of what you're mentioning here. Isn't that the same thing that applies Blastoise? Wasn't Ash several times burned by his fire breath? If he can do all of that then he would melt Pokemons in a blink of an eye and we perfectly know that never happened.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He has to use it first. And Cloud could just stop time before he does it. Not to mention the fact that it only stops use of 1 held item and items from the bag. Materia can be else where.

If its not on them, how can they use it?

Originally posted by BloodRain
If its not on them, how can they use it?

Embargo stops the use of 1 held item and items from the trainer. Cloud could always just have the materia in his armor, in which case its neither. Even if it did work, I don't see how long it would last as 5 turns is a bit odd to be converted into real time.

Its only one held item as the pkmn cant hold more then one, more for those that can. Can be in his armour but he couldnt use them. Not sure for how long it lasts.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its only one held item as the pkmn cant hold more then one, more for those that can. Can be in his armour but he couldnt use them. Not sure for how long it lasts.

Not so sure it would work that way. Marrowak and Delibird are still able to hold their respective items, a club and a bag. It may not work on weapons. Even if it did, the materia seems to go into its user in AC so it is reasonable to assume it does the same in this case. Not too mention I think Cloud is still faster.

Ultimecia freezing time? Well that's new, was pretty sure all she did was compress it which isn't allowed here.

Dissidia

No. But you did see my point, jumping high can get you to the height, but you can't really go anywhere but that direction unless your name is Mario.

Cloud's jumping can be mistaken for flying. It's far better than Mario's.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Alakazam, embargo = no weapons/items for FF cast

But it's useless against Ultimecia.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not so sure it would work that way. Marrowak and Delibird are still able to hold their respective items, a club and a bag. It may not work on weapons. Even if it did, the materia seems to go into its user in AC so it is reasonable to assume it does the same in this case. Not too mention I think Cloud is still faster.

Uh-oh! BloodRain what does this mean? I thought Embargo prevents weapon use. Nope just item use. Alakazaam gets slaughtered for wasting its own time.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Dissidia

Cloud's jumping can be mistaken for flying. It's far better than Mario's.

But it's useless against Ultimecia.