Originally posted by ScreamPaste
mariofacepalm You're missing the point. The only scenario in which Nidoking stands any sort of chance is the ridiculous one in which Nidoking can get himself raped by a level 1 rattata.In canon, Tyranitar can cruish nidoking like he's made of sand and crackers.
There is no point. Rattata dies. Ty gets one-shotted.
In canon, Nidoking's daimond-puncturing horns tear through Ty's rock hide like wet tissue paper.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
There is no point. Rattata dies. Ty gets one-shotted.In canon, Nidoking's daimond-puncturing horns tear through Ty's rock hide like wet tissue paper.
In canon, no, Nidoking isn't strong enough to harm Tyranitar, who flattens mountains. Nidoking gets crushed. 😐
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There is a point, your only argument is a foolish one. 😐 Do you think in canon a level 1 rattata is taking down a Nidoking? No. Nidoking is no more a threat to Tyranitar than a Rattata is to Nidoking.In canon, no, Nidoking isn't strong enough to harm Tyranitar, who flattens mountains. Nidoking gets crushed. 😐
Flattens mountains with an earthquake, which isn't allowed in this fight. Also, that isn't any sort of durability feat.
By what logic does a horn piercing through your chest not hurt you?
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Flattens mountains with an earthquake, which isn't allowed in this fight. Also, that isn't any sort of durability feat.By what logic does a horn piercing through your chest not hurt you?
The logic that the horn cannot pierce Tyranitar.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Read the pokedex again, Tyranitar does not need Earthquake to flatten a mountain, a single one of it's hands has this power. Conversely, go try and break a rock without breaking yourself, and amplify that effect a million times.The logic that the horn cannot pierce Tyranitar.
No, it merely says he has the power in one arm. It does not convey the method (which is an earthquake).
By all logic, the horn can pierce Tyranitar.
Even if Tyranitar's hide was as tough as diamond (which it isn't), it would still get pierced.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
No, it merely says he has the power in one arm. It does not convey the method (which is an earthquake).By all logic, the horn can pierce Tyranitar.
Even if Tyranitar's hide was as tough as diamond (which it isn't), it would still get pierced.
No. To actually assume Nidoking can harm Tyranitar is illogical. It has no feats to suggest this, and Tyranitar's more durable than any diamond based on his pokedex entries. Hell, his durability statement is more impressive than the many pokemon stated to be harder than diamonds, with no such claim that they cannot be harmed. Tyranitar is just flat out "cannot be harmed.", which while obviously a no-limit fallacy, is a statement on Tyranitar being durable. Durable enough to crush a mountain, which is something that Nidoking cannot compare to, at all. Nidoking cannot hurt Tyranitar.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Negatory, since when is an earthquake caused by crushing a mountain with your hand?No. To actually assume Nidoking can harm Tyranitar is illogical. It has no feats to suggest this, and Tyranitar's more durable than any diamond based on his pokedex entries. Hell, his durability statement is more impressive than the many pokemon stated to be harder than diamonds, with no such claim that they cannot be harmed. Tyranitar is just flat out "cannot be harmed.", which while obviously a no-limit fallacy, is a statement on Tyranitar being durable. Durable enough to crush a mountain, which is something that Nidoking cannot compare to, at all. Nidoking cannot hurt Tyranitar.
You're being blinded by flashiness. In the same way you argue that Ty cant be harmed, I can argue that Ty cant stop a raging Nidoking, no matter his strength.
Show me some proof on Ty using his fist to crush a mountain and not a earthquake and I'll stop posting right now. A clip of him performing said feat is what I'm looking for.
With this scenario you are trying to use, Nidoking will keep bowling over Tyranitar, but it wont do any damage. It would be an endless cycle of Ty falling down, but not getting hurt. I mean, it's not like he can stop Nidoking, is it?
You're being blinded by flashiness. In the same way you argue that Ty cant be harmed, I can argue that Ty cant stop a raging Nidoking, no matter his strength.Negative, you're just missing my point time and time again.
I am not actually using the statement to argue that Tyranitar can't be harmed, only to highlight that he is durable, and this is backed up by him rearranging the freakin' landscape. A feat which Nidoking will never be able to compete with on any level.
Nidoking cannot hurt something durable enoguh to crush a mountain, Tyranitar can crush Nodking into a fine paste with no effort whatsoever.
Obvious winner: Tyranitar.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Negative, you're just missing my point time and time again.I am not actually using the statement to argue that Tyranitar can't be harmed, only to highlight that he is durable, and this is backed up by him rearranging the freakin' landscape. A feat which Nidoking will never be able to compete with on any level.
Nidoking cannot hurt something durable enoguh to crush a mountain, Tyranitar can crush Nodking into a fine paste with no effort whatsoever.
Obvious winner: Tyranitar.
Wrong, dude. I'm saying that Ty re-arranges landscapes and crushes mountains through earthquakes. Earthquakes which he doesn't have in this fight. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is no need to bring up crushing mountains again.
Diamond-puncturing horn > Ty's rock hide. Sorry. 🙁
Originally posted by BloodRainIf I can destroy a mountain with my fists, and you can knock over a telephone pole, we're in entirely different tiers.
No go as far as saying nothing Nidoking can do can harm Tyranitar but i will have to be be alot and several times. As Nidokings method of attacking is the same as Tyranitars it will come down to who has the stronger hits. Thats Tyranitar.
Nidoking cannot even hurt Tyranitar. Saying it flat out because this thread has gone on too long while people supporting Nidoking try to make some sort of illogical gameplay mechanic supported claim which holds no water in canon.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Wrong, dude. I'm saying that Ty re-arranges landscapes and crushes mountains through earthquakes. Earthquakes which he doesn't have in this fight. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is no need to bring up crushing mountains again.Diamond-puncturing horn > Ty's rock hide. Sorry. 🙁
II Gold Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.
Silver Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.
Crystal In just one of its mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble.
Stadium 2 Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.
III Ruby Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. This Pokémon wanders about in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.
Sapphire Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. This Pokémon wanders about in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.
Emerald A Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. It roams in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.
FireRed Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.
LeafGreen Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.
IV Diamond If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.
Pearl If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.
Platinum If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.
HeartGold Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.
SoulSilver Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.
Find me where it says he needs an Earthquake to do what he does? What there's no need for, is illogical claims like Nodoking actually damaging somethign which can destroy a mountain. Rock hide? My ass. BEing rock type in no way makes you as brittle as a normal rock. See Onix, a pokemon who burrows through solid stone at over 50 mph and eats solid steel the way you'd eat a donut. Tyranitar is more durable than pokemon stated ot be /harder/ than diamonds, and it has a feat to back this.
Nidoking cannot harm him, you're making yourself look bad. 🙁
Originally posted by LLLLLinkNo, you needs better arguments. I have laid out the facts. Crushing moutnains > breaking telephone poles.
Tyranitar can do nothing to stop Nidoking. We can do this all day. Needz better arguments.
You've tried to create a strawman with one entry about Nidokign being unstoppable, a no-limit fallacy which doesn't stop Tyranitar from crushing Nidoking's head between his toes.
Just stop, dude.
Your trying to make claims with proof you don't have. I asked you to provide proof for Ty crushing mountains with his hand. Asking me to prove the other way is not answering that question. I bet it's because you have nothing to prove Ty's side.
Tyranitar cannot stop Nidoking, even if he had mountain crushing power and a diamond hard hide. The pokedex calls him unstoppable; I didn't write it.
Show me some proof of Ty's feats, please. Let's see in the anime where nothing damages him, or perhaps him flattening a mountain with his fist.
Your trying to make claims with proof you don't have.I just posted every Tyranitar oriented pokedex entry. I have the proof. Maybe you didn't see them through your tunnel vision?
I asked you to provide proof for Ty crushing mountains with his hand.Pokedex, right there.
Asking me to prove the other way is not answering that question. I bet it's because you have nothing to prove Ty's side.There's nothing for you to prove, the pokedex says flat out, Nidoking is strong enogh to knock over a communication tower or whatever, that is in no way comparable to crushing a mountain.
Tyranitar cannot stop Nidoking, even if he had mountain crushing power and a diamond hard hide. The pokedex calls him unstoppable; I didn't write it.By this logic Tyranitar is totally beyond being damaged by any sort of attack.
Show me some proof of Ty's feats, please. Let's see in the anime where nothing damages him, or perhaps him flattening a mountain with his fist.Pokedex > Anime.
Hate to say it Link, but Screampaste has you here.
If the Tyranitar has the ability to reshape the landscape with the flick of his wrist (as in NOT using Earthquake, which isn't stated in the pokedex where he pulled the feat from), then Nidoking needs a feat of equal, or greater capability to even consider hurting him. and a No limit's fallacy of being unstoppable needs to be quantified before it can be used.
Like the Juggernaught, if you will, has been stated being unstoppable by any means, if he has forward momentum, the only way to stop that momentum is if he decides to stop, no other force can stop him. However, unlike the Juggernaught, Nidoking has no listings or feats to substantiate this claim, and thus can be disreguarded as a no limits fallacy. You have to bring in SOMETHING that supports this ability.
Ty's feat is admissable because it is not a no-limits-fallacy, that is the difference.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroTHANK YE, SIR.
Hate to say it Link, but Screampaste has you here.If the Tyranitar has the ability to reshape the landscape with the flick of his wrist (as in NOT using Earthquake, which isn't stated in the pokedex where he pulled the feat from), then Nidoking needs a feat of equal, or greater capability to even consider hurting him. and a No limit's fallacy of being unstoppable needs to be quantified before it can be used.
Like the Juggernaught if you will has been stated being unstoppable by any means, if he has forward momentum, the only way to stop that momentum is if he decides to stop, no other force can stop him. However, unlike the Juggernaught, Nidoking has no listings or feats to substantiate this claim, and thus can be disreguarded as a no limits fallacy. You have to bring in SOMETHING that supports this ability.
Read it and weep. Tyranitar getting owned by a Togepi @ 2:40.