Lucifer Morning Vs MJJ

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Last time I'm responding to your sorry ass.

Lucifer is stated to be the second most-powerful being in existence (or at least within the DC universe). He's more powerful than his brother because he has greater control over his own abilities. Mandrakk couldn't take on the Supermen of the Multiverse (who only hit him with their laser vision). CA Superman died after pushing Mandrakk off that cliff. Sure both of them are up there, but they don't have the feats to surpass Lucifer. They don't even have the exposure and only appeared in Final Crisis.

WF is not canon. Ultimator never existed.

Both 616 and 238-Jaspers died.

Since either you either ignore my points or go off-topic, I don't expect a competent response.

K.

Hmm...weren't you the one that was claiming Mandrakk was more powerful than the Tribunal? And somehow Lucy is EVEN MORE powerful? 😂
BTW I was talking about FC Superman Beyond Mandrakk.

Except neither 238 or 616 Jaspers truly died.

You haven't given me any valid proof to how Lucy would win. I have. So, I would say that my points are more competent than yours.

Also, read Mr Master's post.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Last time I'm responding to your sorry ass.

Lucifer is stated to be the second most-powerful being in existence (or at least within the DC universe). He's more powerful than his brother because he has greater control over his own abilities. Mandrakk couldn't take on the Supermen of the Multiverse (who only hit him with their laser vision). CA Superman died after pushing Mandrakk off that cliff. Sure both of them are up there, but they don't have the feats to surpass Lucifer. They don't even have the exposure and only appeared in Final Crisis.

WF is not canon. Ultimator never existed.

Both 616 and 238-Jaspers died.

Since either you either ignore my points or go off-topic, I don't expect a competent response.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
CA Superman>Lucy same goes with Mandrakk.

Cosmic Armor Superman. The one that appeared in FC

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Cosmic Armor Superman. The one that appeared in FC

But we really don't know enough about the Prime Monitor. For all we know, it's just another component of the main DCU creation, created by Lucifer and Michael..

I'm guessing we'll never see nor hear about the Prime Monitor again anyways, and it's nature in the cosmic hierarchy will forever be unanswered..

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Originally posted by cdtm
But we really don't know enough about the Prime Monitor. For all we know, it's just another component of the main DCU creation, created by Lucifer and Michael..

I'm guessing we'll never see nor hear about the Prime Monitor again anyways, and it's nature in the cosmic hierarchy will forever be unanswered..

I think the story had that motif like war of the worlds did. That we have natural defense against outside forces. There were others but that's another story

Originally posted by xJLxKing
L Actually, they explained it pretty nicely. He is a being soo big that the entire DCU is but a germ to him. All the universes, dimensions, beings, space, time, matter,...etc is but a germ to him. This includes Lucy, Michael, and the presence. There is more to it but that's basicially all you need to know. He only sent a probe(Mandrakk) and it was enough to nearly destroyed everything. Ironically, the armor he created was the only thing that can stop him.

I think the story had that motif like war of the worlds did. That we have natural defense against outside forces. There were others but that's another story

Everything you say it true regarding the Prime Monitors relationship with the DCU.

But, the Presence, Lucifer, and Archangel Michael also created all of those universees, dimensions, and what not.. The "germs" within the Prime Monitor are they're creations. What we don't know is whether the Presence is simply a part of the Prime Monitors body, or whether the Prime Monitor is a larger part of the Presences creation.. There's really no proof either way. But ask yourself this: Why couldn't the Prime Monitor detect the anomoly of The Presence's actions within it? If the Presence is simply just another tiny blip on it's radar.. And it seemed fairly attuned to detecting the actions of these bacteria, via it's probes.

Plus, in Lucifers own series, we saw "outside" of the mainstream DCU when he made his own multiverse. It wasn't in the bleed, which is basically the Prime Monitors blood stream, it was a formless void. Maybe it was outside of the Prime Monitors main body?

Originally posted by cdtm
Everything you say it true regarding the Prime Monitors relationship with the DCU.

But, the Presence, Lucifer, and Archangel Michael also created all of those universees, dimensions, and what not.. The "germs" within the Prime Monitor are they're creations. What we don't know is whether the Presence is simply a part of the Prime Monitors body, or whether the Prime Monitor is a larger part of the Presences creation.. There's really no proof either way. But ask yourself this: Why couldn't the Prime Monitor detect the anomoly of The Presence's actions within it? If the Presence is simply just another tiny blip on it's radar.. And it seemed fairly attuned to detecting the actions of these bacteria, via it's probes.

Plus, in Lucifers own series, we saw "outside" of the mainstream DCU when he made his own multiverse. It wasn't in the bleed, which is basically the Prime Monitors blood stream, it was a formless void. Maybe it was outside of the Prime Monitors main body?

Because the Prime Monitor is not omniscient..it stands to reason that PM is not a Supreme Being.

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the primal monitor is nothing more than an empty comicbook page and the presence is the writer that creats the images(multiverse)
the comic book page(primal monitor) noticed he was being drawed on(creation) so he had a monitor(the readers) inspect it

Stop treating pure speculation as if it was based on some event in the comics. We don't know what the Primal Monitor is, so don't pretend like you do. Because as soon as he's mention once more your hypothesis will be swatted like a fly against the wall.

It's some conscious residing outside of the DCU (which it was as a germ) and sent a probe (Mandrakk) to destroy it. That's all we know.

Originally posted by Astner
Stop treating pure speculation as if it was based on some event in the comics. We don't know what the Primal Monitor is, so don't pretend like you do. Because as soon as he's mention once more your hypothesis will be swatted like a fly against the wall.

It's some conscious residing outside of the DCU (which it was as a germ) and sent a probe (Mandrakk) to destroy it. That's all we know.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
what i said isnt speculation its exactly what a writer said in a interview 🙄

Besides, that's just what the characters represent, but not what they are. That's if what you said is true

Its been stated by Morrison that the PM is to an effect an infinite living void, the endless canvas onto which all possible artistic and creative ideas of the DCU are projected. My personal view is that the Presence would thus be just the largest germ scrawling out His designs onto the canvas of the Primal Monitor.

That doesn't diminish the Presence though, he's still the Supreme Being of the DCU, the Primal Monitor though is a Meta-Textual entity. At least that's my view.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

That doesn't diminish the Presence though, he's still the Supreme Being of the DCU, the Primal Monitor though is a Meta-Textual entity.

but mxy destroyed the primal monitor when he destroyed the omniverse with bat-mite.

Originally posted by Mindset
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Originally posted by Omega Vision
Think of the DCU as a Tidal Pool and the Presence as the biggest fish therein. The Primal Monitor meanwhile is the ocean that feeds said tidal pool. Doesn't mean that the Presence isn't Omnipotent...within the confines of the tidal pool at least.

The answer is no.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think he'd even need prep per se. He can think on his feet better than Thanos can and could probably throw a wrench in whatever works Thanos has planned.

He would need to out prep Thanos at all. Thanos would have to come up with some crazy crazy crap to even make Lucifer be the least bit concerned. More times than not Lucy would just let Thanos do whatever he chooses and still win more times than not.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
but mxy destroyed the primal monitor when he destroyed the omniverse with bat-mite.