Robocop v. Wolverine

Originally posted by Robtard
Fine, a Glock it was, as I'm no gun expert. Glocks fire a variety of ammo; some comparable to 9mm; some stronger, let me guess, we're going to assume the rookie cop had himself a hand-canon? Of course we are.

Also, we're going to ignore that Robocop's gun was able to "rock guys" and sent them flying in some scenes, meaning it's far powerful than it should be. Yes, Wolverine fanboyism demands it.

Wolverine dropped, basically straight back.

It was at least a .40, prolly a .45, judging from the way Wolvie's entire body was rocked before falling backwards. That's another thing, he fell backwards, not straight down, not forward. Backwards. Why? Because of the impact of the bullet. Every cop I know, at least a dozen, all carry .40 or .45's, none carry a 9mm. Why? Stopping power.

A hand cannon is a .357 or a .44, learn something about firearms before debating them with me.

Rocked them or not, Robo's gun is a 9, and 9's do nothing but piss Wolvie off. A 9mm round is a 9mm round, that's it.

Originally posted by the ninjak
So what if it was a glock....Robocops is a futuristic automatic canon. Wolveys gonna cop alot of them and get put down temporarily. In this forum that counts as a win.

I'm a Wolvey fan over Robocops anyday....but the movie version is as crap as the films themselves. Bad writers are the sole reason Wolvey loses this fight not Wolvey himself.

The two bullets in origins skimmed the side of his skull. In X2 right between the eyes. In Ultimate Xmen Logan got minced by Automatic fire and got put down long enough to be picked up and put into a cage in a truck.

X2 is closer to present canon Logan than Origins so that will have to be the bases to which we gauge Wolveys ability to take a bullet let alone Robocops heavy automatic fire. And trust me once Robo blasts Logan and sees him get back up Logan cops automatic fire in the head.

And no. In Origins, the bullets (two of them), hit him dead center in the forehead. In X2, the bullet (one bullet) hit him over his right brow.

Question for all, two of them:

1. In Origins, why didn't Wolvie get KO'd when Zero popped him with two rounds to the center of the forehead?

2. In X2, why did Wolvie get KO'd when the cop shot him in the forehead, off center to the right?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Before the line of reasoning comes into play about absurd comparisons:

Robocop is programmed for head shots, not eye-ball shots. He's not going to try for the eyes, at least, not at first.

He was never seen shooting eyes in the movies. Why would his first reaction be to shoot Wolverine in the eyes?

He DOES, however, make head shots and chest shots like a machine.

Fair question.

I'm saying that with head shots, (100+ of them) eye shots're inevitable.
And theres no reason to think whatsoever that if the guy made a testicle shot from 30 ft away, eyeball shots are not out of the question.

His reasoning would be knowing it to be a logical weakness.
Because of the above answers.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dooooooooooh.

How contributive.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

1. In Origins, why didn't Wolvie get KO'd when Zero popped him with two rounds to the center of the forehead?

2. In X2, why did Wolvie get KO'd when the cop shot him in the forehead, off center to the right?

Thats Fox for ya.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It was no 9mm, Rob. Zero shot him TWICE and it merely rocked his head a bit. The cop shot him ONCE and it rocked his whole body and threw him back onto the floor. It was a larger caliber bullet. Zero's automatic was at least a 9mm, just like Robo's. Robo's gun wil have the same effect, it will only piss Wolvie off. How do we know this? Because it is in the movies, it's not an opinion.

Fanboyism? Read on:

Consider yourself served. And for the record, YOU last line of defense is to scream "fanboy" when you get your ass handed to you here, which is what happened here, yet again.

Funny how sadako changed gears when he saw me arguing for Robocop. THAT'S funny.

Know what else is funny? You constantly whine about using high end feats. Example? Robo's 3 second draw supercedes his 6 second draw. On that same note, Wolvie NOT being KO'd by Zero supercedes him being KO'd by the cop.

See what I did there? Am I getting through that thick skull of yours?

BTW, I conceded to King today in a thread here, you know full well I concede when I am proven wrong. You're the one who admitted to me that you have trouble conceding. Looks like you were telling the truth. DDM and I have beaten any and all argument for Robo a hundred times over, we have proven it wrong at every turn, yet you STILL will not admit. All because you WANT Robo to win. Aint happenin' bro, accept it.

You're a bellend, RJ.. 🙂

I posted that when I thought it was "To the death". Not first to the knockout.

When I realised that the parameters were different to how I understood them, my opinion naturally altered.. how did that involve any one thing YOU said, you ego-maniac....?!??

Abusiveness through kinda obvious butthurt...gimping...hystrionics...playing to the crowd...familiar RJ territory when on the beaten stretch..

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's a 9mm, plain and simple. A 9mm round in the future is the same as a 9mm round today. It's a......9mm.

And no. In Origins, the bullets (two of them), hit him dead center in the forehead. In X2, the bullet (one bullet) hit him over his right brow.

And different rounds have different properties... (something you as a self proclaimed expert in firearms like you should basically have known)

What if Robocop has those armour piercing rounds that were OCP issue in Robocop....? Jacketted, hollowpoint, you dont know what he actually shoots.... Lot of underplaying of Robocop's guns effectiveness, despite how effective it is shown to be on screen, which is typical of you..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Fair question.

I'm saying that with head shots, (100+ of them) eye shots're inevitable.
And theres no reason to think whatsoever that if the guy made a testicle shot from 30 ft away, eyeball shots are not out of the question.

His reasoning would be knowing it to be a logical weakness.
Because of the above answers.

But, honestly, Robocop is in working order, here. He's literally got deadeye aim. (Lulz, pun) However, I'm not willing to go out on a limb and say that when Robocop is aiming at one target and unloading, all shots fall into a tight pattern. Sure, he did that at the shooting range with a rediculously tight pattern, but I'm sure there's contradictions to that in one of the 3 films.

I agree that he would eventually figure out that the skull is not "gettin' it done" and adjust tactics. But, then it would be too late. This assumes that Robocop starts the fight, guns blazing.

I would venture to say that Robocop has good enough aim that the "duck and run" cover that Wolverine does isn't going to cut it.

The bullets aren't going to pack anywhere near the punch that Sabertooth did with that friggin' tree, so I'm sure he'll stay conscious against the 9mm rounds, but...there's no way to rally be sure, which is why this is debatable. lulz (However, thinking about it, if Robocop can grab a pole and..... dance like a strip...no homo! ( 😆 )...start beating James with it, first strike to the dome, and he's out. Robo has the strength.

If we go towards the low end of Robocop's draw time, Wolverine wins, even if he can get knocked out by 9mm rounds. (Assuming they start at less than 100 feet, as RJ and AC discussed previously.) If the distance is greater than 100 feet, and wolverine can be dropped by 9mm rounds, Robocop wins. If it were to the death, Robocop would lose, no matter what. But it's not. 🙁

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
When I realised that the parameters were different to how I understood them, my opinion naturally altered..

I must admit that I, at first, made that mistake, as well. 😮

Yeah but with that many eyeball shots, It would likely penetrate brain.
And Im pretty sure that would KO him.

And if we go instead of the RJ's incredibly gimpy 6 seconds, and go from "Robocop as usual has his gun ready walking into expected trouble like he invariably does." right through to "Wolverine starts lurching at Robocop from 20 ft away" then Wolverine loses.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's a 9mm, plain and simple. A 9mm round in the future is the same as a 9mm round today. It's a......9mm.

Zero objectively as usual. That gun tosses guys back, far more than Wolverine falling back when shot by the cop; yet here you are ignoring the screen-feats rule when it suits you.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Question for all, two of them:

1. In Origins, why didn't Wolvie get KO'd when Zero popped him with two rounds to the center of the forehead?

2. In X2, why did Wolvie get KO'd when the cop shot him in the forehead, off center to the right?

1- because he was feral and had balls!

2- because Brian Singer doesn't have any.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Question for all, two of them:

1. In Origins, why didn't Wolvie get KO'd when Zero popped him with two rounds to the center of the forehead?

2. In X2, why did Wolvie get KO'd when the cop shot him in the forehead, off center to the right?

Originally posted by Kazenji
Thats Fox for ya.....

QUOTE=12687963]Originally posted by the ninjak
1- because he was feral and had balls!

2- because Brian Singer doesn't have any. [/QUOTE]

No. Because the guns Zero used were a smaller caliber than the cops gun. Smaller caliber, like Robo's gun. You know, the kind of gun that only pisses Wolvie off.

Originally posted by Robtard
Zero objectively as usual. That gun tosses guys back, far more than Wolverine falling back when shot by the cop; yet here you are ignoring the screen-feats rule when it suits you.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey Rob, how much do those guys weigh on average? And how much does Wolvie weigh, roughly? Hmm?

Wolverine will need to weigh as much as you need him too. So let's just say he weighs a ton, to be on the safe-side.

But going by movie-feats, that guy is obviously the more powerful weapon, despite whatever name it has.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wolverine will need to weigh as much as you need him too. So let's just say he weighs a ton, to be on the safe-side.

youre an ass. crylaugh

Wolverine weighs prolly 500ish pounds, I thought it was you and I that discussed that. Those guys weigh 200 on average, prolly less. Of course they are gonna be thrown backwards.

The bullet that KO'd Wolvie was a much larger one, because it had the same effect on a much heavier target.

Next?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wolverine weighs prolly 500ish pounds, I thought it was you and I that discussed that. Those guys weigh 200 on average, prolly less. Of course they are gonna be thrown backwards.

The bullet that KO'd Wolvie was a much larger one, because it had the same effect on a much heavier target.

Next?

No, he doesn't weigh 500 lbs.

In the comics, the adamantium is roughly 100lbs on top of his 200 (+/-) frame. So about 300lbs.

The only time we see his weight gain being mentioned is in Origins, when he sits on the bike and it slouches a bit, but not 500lbs of slouching.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, he doesn't weigh 500 lbs.

In the comics, the adamantium is roughly 100lbs on top of his 200 (+/-) frame. So about 300lbs.

The only time we see his weight gain being mentioned is in Origins, when he sits on the bike and it slouches a bit, but not 500lbs of slouching.

Point stands. Even if it were 300 pounds.

The bike didn't slouch "a bit", it slouched ALOT.

Hey look, Chow Yun-Fat must use the same bullets as Robo!

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