Originally posted by CosmicCometIt's a big rock, but he was not able to throw it incredibly far. 😐 Watch te scene.
LOL. 'His only strength feat'. You really don't know too much about God of War. Cronos has a small mountain stuck on his back; Pandora's temple.In numerical lifting feats, no, he technically doesn't have anything on Atlas' level. But against common obstacles, he has a comparable performance. Hades once he hooked into Atlas was able to physically turn him around, and at the beginning of the scene he was controlling Cronos with leverage.
-Hades is able to control Atlas and Cronos with similar ease? Check.
-Also, Atlas and Cronos are also chained up by GIANT chains. Chains so strong that neither of them can break them. Similar performance against the same type of structure? Check.
Let me guess, you were attempting to argue in a roundabout way that Atlas is somehow millions of times stronger than Cronos right? Lol.
Don't get me wrong though, Atlas is most definitely stronger, hell he has 4 arms! But his limbs individually are no stronger than Cronos'.
The original Japanese flash site had him listed at 213 cm. First Tsuguri was the one who first directed me to it. But I can't find it anymore. However this wiki has the correct information on it:
http://www.8wayrun.com/wiki/KratosAlso, Kratos will react faster than Machamp can punch anyway.
Reacting to Charon's teleportation like movement > Machamp's speed.
Tagging Hermes in combat repeatedly > Machamp's speed.
Reacting to Zeus' lightning > Machamp's speed.
Fighting Atropos and Lahkesis at the same time > Machamp's speed.
Also, you're ignoring that Atlas was being electrocuted while HAdes hooked him, while Cronos was not.
Them both being chained up by giant chains does not make them similar in strength, it only measn they're bound by the same chain.
Essentially: how strong exactly, is Cronos?
How strong exactly is Zeus? He was struggling to impale a weakened Kratos with the BoO. 😐
Kratos has never reacted to a flurry like Machamp's, period.
Many characters react to teleporters.
Hermes was dicking around. 😐
Zeus telegraphed really hardcore, and I'm pretty certain I can find a seperate instance of that.
How exactly? >_>
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
hermes and kratos aside. someone tell me machamps movement speed, at the least.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Machamp's legs more than likely are not far behind his hands in speed, as he can use bullet punch, which requires him to move atleast as fast as a bullet.
i knew you were going to say that...
not you, specifically but i knew someone was going to say that.
how fast you can move one part of your body is not an indication of how fast you can move another, ever. spiderman can move his hands fast enough to catch bullets, but he cant physically run anywhere even close to the speed of a bullet. boxers, bruce lee, they cant run as fast as they can punch, etc. thats why theres a difference being reflexes/reaction speed and movement speed. some people can fight FTL but they cant move from a to b that fast
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's a big rock, but he was not able to throw it incredibly far. 😐 Watch te scene.Also, you're ignoring that Atlas was being electrocuted while HAdes hooked him, while Cronos was not.
Them both being chained up by giant chains does not make them similar in strength, it only measn they're bound by the same chain.
Essentially: how strong exactly, is Cronos?
How strong exactly is Zeus? He was struggling to impale a weakened Kratos with the BoO. 😐Kratos has never reacted to a flurry like Machamp's, period.
Many characters react to teleporters.
Hermes was dicking around. 😐
Zeus telegraphed really hardcore, and I'm pretty certain I can find a seperate instance of that.
How exactly? >_>Machamp's legs more than likely are not far behind his hands in speed, as he can use bullet punch, which requires him to move atleast as fast as a bullet.
-K. Who says he was trying to throw it farther than he did?
-I'm not ignoring. It had nothing to do with Hades having the physical strength to completely turn Atlas' gaze away from Poseidon, he already had Atlas down to one knee before Poseidon started another volley of electricity. Also, he was initially controlling Cronos with a huge leverage advantage, he was behind him, and it also took him longer to bring Cronos to his knees and start pulling his soul, but that was without Poseidon involved, logically if he was involved it would have taken less time, comparable amount of time it took to get Atlas down and out.
So it balances out in the end. Like I said, its a comparable performance, you could possibly say Atlas' performance was 'better', but I know based on math you want to say Atlas is millions of times stronger than Cronos, but you and I know both know you aren't quite that stupid to commit to such a bullshit statement. So you aren't going to explicitly say it. But you want to.
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-Them being bound by the same chain and having equal ineffectiveness is not much by itself, but when its coupled with the performance against Hades, you see that their limits are similar.
-How strong exactly is Cronos? I've said it already. Not as strong in a deadlift competition vs Atlas, but equal in an arm wrestling one.
-How strong exactly is Zeus? Strong enough to snatch the BoO away from a prime, completely healthy Kratos in GoW2 and GoW3's end battles. He didn't 'struggle' to impale a weakened Kratos at all. That's just your wishful analysis. Weak.
-And each individual punch is slower than the fastest things Kratos has come across. Kratos has superior reaction time and agility over Machamp, reach as well.
-Lots of people react to teleporters? Lol. Why would you insist on making such empty, completely irrelevant statements? What does 'a lot of people' being able to do that have to do with the fact that its superior to Machamp's offensive ability anyway?
-Hermes wasn't dicking around during the fight, he was getting desperate as per the mid-battle dialogue.
-Zeus didn't telegraph shit when Kratos blocked it. He blocked Lightning, from 30 feet away, in mid shot. You can continue to create some qualifiers for that and continue to fail. Such as that 'loud sound' bullshit. lol.
You are a terrible debator Paste, I can see why the anti-Link guys run roughshod over you.
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelSee part two of what you quoted. Also, I said not far behind, not up to par. Also, hasn't Spidey shown some really ridiculous speed? mmm
i knew you were going to say that...not you, specifically but i knew someone was going to say that.
how fast you can move one part of your body is not an indication of how fast you can move another, ever. spiderman can move his hands fast enough to catch bullets, but he cant physically run anywhere even close to the speed of a bullet. boxers, bruce lee, they cant run as fast as they can punch, etc. thats why theres a difference being reflexes/reaction speed and movement speed. some people can fight FTL but they cant move from a to b that fast
Anywayz, I never claimed Machamp can take 250 strides a second, but he /can/ move atleast as quickly as a bullet.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
[B]See part two of what you quoted.
wha- ? o.o
Also, I said not far behind, not up to par. Also, hasn't Spidey shown some really ridiculous speed? mmm
hes got bullet speed reflexes, he can dodge hundreds of rounds of machine gun fire, catch bullets, react to them after theyve been shot, etc. hes never actually ran from one spot to another as quick or nearly as quick as a bullet.
Anywayz, I never claimed Machamp can take 250 strides a second, but he /can/ move atleast as quickly as a bullet.
id need to see it to believe it
-And each individual punch is slower than the fastest things Kratos has come across. Kratos has superior reaction time and agility over Machamp, reach as well.
The fire's been lit here `-`
hes never actually ran from one spot to another as quick or nearly as quick as a bullet.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
As an afterthought: is Hades physicly stronger than Atlas who holds up the world? 😐 I think there's more at work there than his own physical might, especially as Atlas cracks the earth and forces Hades away from Cronos prior to Atlas being hooked. 😬
Who said he had to be stronger? He just has to be strong enough to not be overwhelmed, like I said, against Cronos, he initially had the leverage advantage. He could do the same against Atlas.
Hades in full God size has great performances against Titans, he also yanked one off of Mt Olympus in the beginning of GoW3.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't think you and I are gonna be friends.Care to explain your stance, or do you intend to sit on the sidelines shouting your opinion like the ugly cheer-leader? biscuits
dude kratos is too vicious for him i mean with his anger and cruelness kratos always beats his oponnent because he is ready to go 1 step over his oponnent i see kratos just ripping his limbs apart
Originally posted by BloodRain
Doesnt mean he can evade more then one punch. His reaction times can be great but his agility isnt high enough to react to every punch.The fire's been lit here `-`
He doesn't have to evade more than that, he evades the first and Machamp gets decapitated on the first stroke. Fighting 8 copies of Zeus at the same time > fighting one Machamp.