Kratos vs. Machamp

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-K. Who says he was trying to throw it farther than he did?

-I'm not ignoring. It had nothing to do with Hades having the physical strength to completely turn Atlas' gaze away from Poseidon, he already had Atlas down to one knee before Poseidon started another volley of electricity. Also, he was initially controlling Cronos with a huge leverage advantage, he was behind him, and it also took him longer to bring Cronos to his knees and start pulling his soul, but that was without Poseidon involved, logically if he was involved it would have taken less time, comparable amount of time it took to get Atlas down and out.

So it balances out in the end. Like I said, its a comparable performance, you could possibly say Atlas' performance was 'better', but I know based on math you want to say Atlas is millions of times stronger than Cronos, but you and I know both know you aren't quite that stupid to commit to such a bullshit statement. So you aren't going to explicitly say it. But you want to.
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-Them being bound by the same chain and having equal ineffectiveness is not much by itself, but when its coupled with the performance against Hades, you see that their limits are similar.

-How strong exactly is Cronos? I've said it already. Not as strong in a deadlift competition vs Atlas, but equal in an arm wrestling one.

-How strong exactly is Zeus? Strong enough to snatch the BoO away from a prime, completely healthy Kratos in GoW2 and GoW3's end battles. He didn't 'struggle' to impale a weakened Kratos at all. That's just your wishful analysis. Weak.

-And each individual punch is slower than the fastest things Kratos has come across. Kratos has superior reaction time and agility over Machamp, reach as well.

-Lots of people react to teleporters? Lol. Why would you insist on making such empty, completely irrelevant statements? What does 'a lot of people' being able to do that have to do with the fact that its superior to Machamp's offensive ability anyway?

-Hermes wasn't dicking around during the fight, he was getting desperate as per the mid-battle dialogue.

-Zeus didn't telegraph shit when Kratos blocked it. He blocked Lightning, from 30 feet away, in mid shot. You can continue to create some qualifiers for that and continue to fail. Such as that 'loud sound' bullshit. lol.

You are a terrible debator Paste, I can see why the anti-Link guys run roughshod over you.

You magicly left it out, then? Also, this would make Hades stronger than Atlas, too. Huh. You think Hades is usuing pure strength to over power a pair of titans?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
As an afterthought: is Hades physicly stronger than Atlas who holds up the world? 😐 I think there's more at work there than his own physical might, especially as Atlas cracks the earth and forces Hades away from Cronos prior to Atlas being hooked. 😬

-No, I just see an athlete and a fat guy both being tied by the same rope. 😐

-Support that Cronos is equal in an arm wrestle. I see no evidence whatsoever of that.

-Kratos has never dealt with that volume of strikes inthat short of time, he could not get out of the way, period.

-It's relevant because lots of characters react to teleporters, but currently it's only being wanked for Kratos. If this magicly makes you able to dodge all of Machamp's strikes, I get to wank Link a lot harder than I have been.

-Hermes managed to get caught and tagged by someone who has never demonstrated the ability to move quickly enough to keep up with him if he's as fast as you're making him out to be. For example, there are characters who can outfight Sonic the hedgehog, but good luck to most of them catching him. 😐
-We'll see, meh boi.

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You are a terrible debator Paste, I can see why the anti-Link guys run roughshod over you.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He doesn't have to evade more than that, he evades the first and Machamp gets decapitated on the first stroke. Fighting 8 copies of Zeus at the same time > fighting one Machamp.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I dont quite see how that would happen. One punch would hit in 0.004. If he manages to evade that Kratos would have to attack faster then that speed to hit Machamp before the second fist hits.

Apparently Kratos can't evade and attack at the same time now.

Not faster then Machamp at least.

Edit: Faster strikes and has four arms to do so.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
To assume someone is capable of more than they show is what? Fallacious.

I'm doing nothing more than extrapolating from similar demonstrated limits. Hades can control both of them.

You magicly left it out, then? Also, this would make Hades stronger than Atlas, too. Huh. You think Hades is usuing pure strength to over power a pair of titans?

Because my intial argument was the part of the scene where Hades turned Atlas around while he was looking at Poseidon. Poseidon had stopped his initial lightning barrage then. Still, the lightning argument was addressed with a proper explanation as soon as you predictably brought it up. And no it wouldn't make him stronger than them, just competitive, or do you have a problem understanding a God being able to contend with a Titan in strength?

Hades had to work extensively and with initial leverage to finally tire Cronos enough to put him on his knees and begin to tug at his soul, he took less time to do so with Atlas, but with aid from Poseidon. It balances out thus. I know you want to say Atlas is millions of times stronger than Cronos, DO IT PASTE DO IT. Just confirm to me how delusional you are. If Atlas is a 2 trajillion tonner, Cronos, being comparable but admittedly weaker, would probably be a 1 trajillion tonner /sillyfictiousnumbers

-No, I just see an athlete and a fat guy both being tied by the same rope. 😐

-Fought 2 sisters of fate at the same time. Both capable of flight and at least one of intangibility.
-Charon can fly, go intangible, and his movement speed is [b]like he's teleporting.
-Hermes is supposed to be the fastest being on Olympus, note that Poseidon himself broke the sound barrier when he flew.
-Zeus can fly, teleport, and has a doppleganger ability splitting into 8 different physical clones.

So after all of that, especially the above, just 4 arms, all coming from a not so fast 5 foot creature with crap reach and terrible coordination is supposed to surprise Kratos?

-Hermes managed to get caught and tagged by someone who has never demonstrated the ability to move quickly enough to keep up with him if he's as fast as you're making him out to be. For example, there are characters who can outfight Sonic the hedgehog, but good luck to most of them catching him. 😐
-We'll see, meh boi.

Don't be dense. Kratos has beaten fast people before Hermes and has had great reaction times before Hermes as well. You still cannot discount the lightning blocking no matter how much you attempt to deny and create qualifiers and specifi scenarios allowing it to happen.

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You demonstrate an inability to seperate a logical disagreement with a personal argument. I suggest you take a time out. [/B]

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not faster then Machamp at least.

React to the first punch with a simultaneous strike/evasion, he doesn't have to choose one action over the other. Its easy.

Machamp won't even get close enough to punch Kratos.

Lol, well I've seen the Kratos vs Hermes fight, and I've seen Hermes running. Maybe Hermes is the fastest runner on Olympus?

Either way, Kratos didn't have much of a speed advantage to deal with.

I get to wank Link a lot harder than I have been.

React to the first punch with a simultaneous strike/evasion, he doesn't have to choose one action over the other. Its easy.

Machamp won't even get close enough to punch Kratos.

Actually can someone post the lightning dodge?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lol, well I've seen the Kratos vs Hermes fight, and I've seen Hermes running. Maybe Hermes is the fastest runner on Olympus?

Either way, Kratos didn't have much of a speed advantage to deal with.

So running down Mt Olympus doesn't impress you?
Completely ignoring gravity and running up a vertical chain does not impress you either? Why is that?

Would you say Charon is faster than Hermes?

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Well, if Gods can fly, then no.

Is Hermes capable of using high speed mid combat?

I'm doing nothing more than extrapolating from similar demonstrated limits. Hades can control both of them.

Because my intial argument was the part of the scene where Hades turned Atlas around while he was looking at Poseidon. Poseidon had stopped his initial lightning barrage then. Still, the lightning argument was addressed with a proper explanation as soon as you predictably brought it up. And no it wouldn't make him stronger than them, just competitive, or do you have a problem understanding a God being able to contend with a Titan in strength?

Comparable resistance against Hades confirms comparable body strength. Atlas has four arms however and thus the advantage in overall lifting.

So after all of that, especially the above, just 4 arms, all coming from a not so fast 5 foot creature with crap reach and terrible coordination is supposed to surprise Kratos?

Also, I'd like to point out the irony of claiming size matters in a fight containing Kratos.

Cool. Wank Link as much as you want. How common a feat it is has nothing to do with the argument as it puts those people above Machamp's offense as well.

Don't be dense. Kratos has beaten fast people before Hermes and has had great reaction times before Hermes as well. You still cannot discount the lightning blocking no matter how much you attempt to deny and create qualifiers and specifi scenarios allowing it to happen.

Nah. That's just how I debate, its not even heated. Even when I argue on your side I've commented on your bad style.

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Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, if Gods can fly, then no.

Is Hermes capable of using high speed mid combat?

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Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Telegraphed.

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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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Do... Do you need a hug? 😕

my friend was over >_>

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Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
my friend was over >_>