DBZ more powerful than you think...

Originally posted by LLLLLink
How about when Burter and Jeice shot beams at Goku and the beams seemed to phase right through him because he dodged them so fast? These were highly trained Elite soldiers, keep in mind. They would've seen his movements if they were at the level of the "Krillin vs Jackie Chun" fight.

I agree with this and that was one of the main showings that made me realize that Goku was>light because not only were they throwing super speed punches at him but they still didnt see him moving/dodging because he was moving so fast, they also shot blast at him that went through his body. Blast that are>master roshi blast that made it to the moon in a second and it went through Goku's body like he was a ghost but it was just him moving at tremendous speeds.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this and that was one of the main showings that made me realize that Goku was>light because not only were they throwing super speed punches at him but they still didnt see him moving/dodging because he was moving so fast, they also shot blast at him that went through his body. Blast that are>master roshi blast that made it to the moon in a second and it went through Goku's body like he was a ghost but it was just him moving at tremendous speeds.

And they showed Burter's perspetive where Krillan and Gohan, two super speedsters themselves, were moving in slow motion. Virtually standing still.

Yet they couldn't even detect Goku was moving.

And keep in mind early in the series, Roshi was fast enough to catch every single bullet from a machinegun. A multi bullet timer, and Roshi was slower than Kami, who couldn't even see Goku and Piccolo moving with his "godly eyes"..

By the time Goku arrives on Namek, that sort of speed is nothing.

Originally posted by cdtm
And they showed Burter's perspetive where Krillan and Gohan, two super speedsters themselves, were moving in slow motion. Virtually standing still.

Yet they couldn't even detect Goku was moving.

Damn. O_O

Originally posted by cdtm
And they showed Burter's perspetive where Krillan and Gohan, two super speedsters themselves, were moving in slow motion. Virtually standing still.

Yet they couldn't even detect Goku was moving.

And keep in mind early in the series, Roshi was fast enough to catch every single bullet from a machinegun. A multi bullet timer, and Roshi was slower than Kami, who couldn't even see Goku and Piccolo moving with his "godly eyes"..

By the time Goku arrives on Namek, that sort of speed is nothing.

Hell, by the time Goku left training with King Ki, that kind of speed was nothing to him.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
How about when Burter and Jeice shot beams at Goku and the beams seemed to phase right through him because he dodged them so fast?

Originally posted by carver9
His tail dont have anything to do with what we are discussing. I agree, you can put 18 against everybody from the frieza saga and she wont have any trouble because she is more powerful which means that she is faster, stronger, and more durable than everyone from the frieza saga. They wouldnt be able to even touch her if she doesnt want to be touched.

He went around the world in one panel numerous of times and then he took a nap. That is MUCH faster than the speed of light.

Except one panel doesn't equate to showing how fast one is doing. It was just to show he went around the world a few times. Five or six at that....No time frame as to how long. And even if he DID take a nap..a nap can be like five minutes.

Originally posted by Kento
How bout the fact that was just filler scene as we see the whole fight in the manga and only one blast is ever shot and Gokou never moves so fast they seem to go through him?
Radditz is the only time that multiple fighters worked..... You said fighting together means a lot in DBZ..it doesn't.

Except one panel doesn't equate to showing how fast one is doing. It was just to show he went around the world a few times. Five or six at that....No time frame as to how long. And even if he DID take a nap..a nap can be like five minutes.

OMG, what examples of an on panel showing do you have of someone going around the world in one panel. When you answer that, show me where you are getting it that the writer isnt trying to show this person gong faster than light.

It was a one panel showing of speed, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that he went around the world at a pretty high rate of speed in some seconds.

To my knowledge, a nap is 20 minutes; 5 minutes isnt a nap.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, what examples of an on panel showing do you have of someone going around the world in one panel. When you answer that, show me where you are getting it that the writer isnt trying to show this person gong faster than light.

It was a one panel showing of speed, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that he went around the world at a pretty high rate of speed in some seconds.

To my knowledge, a nap is 20 minutes; 5 minutes isnt a nap.

And it doesn't make any sense to take a nap in 1 minute...

Originally posted by Kento
How bout the fact that was just filler scene as we see the whole fight in the manga and only one blast is ever shot and Gokou never moves so fast they seem to go through him?
Radditz is the only time that multiple fighters worked..... You said fighting together means a lot in DBZ..it doesn't.

Except one panel doesn't equate to showing how fast one is doing. It was just to show he went around the world a few times. Five or six at that....No time frame as to how long. And even if he DID take a nap..a nap can be like five minutes.

This post is crap, man.
You know good and well that the anime supplements the manga in reference to fight scenes because obviously you can do things with anime that you cant with manga.

Also, I seem to recall Vegeta blasting Cell to help Gohan. Didn't you say that Raditz was the only time? ...Yeah, you did.

Originally posted by Kento
Radditz is the only time that multiple fighters worked..... You said fighting together means a lot in DBZ..it doesn't.

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Uh.... fighting together allowed the Z fighters to stay in a fight long enough to beat frieza.

Nappa was almost beaten by teamwork during his fight with the Z fighters. Gohan simply failed to deliver.

Cell at the end of his Kamehameha off....

Hell isn't the Spirit Bomb kind of a testiment to working together to beat an oppontent?

Didn't one of the Spirit bombs have the power of surround planets and the sun and stars and stuff?

Meh.... I really just don't get how people can get so caught up on the issue of speed when it comes to DBZ.... at the stark beginning of the series Radditz dodges a blast that was fast enough to immediately connect with the moon. Damn thing had to have been moving relative to light speed to do that and Radditz dodges it in mid combat.... but because the Z fighters end up taking longer to travel around the world, down snake way, to ginger town or Kami's palace everyone arguing against DBZ starts to focus on these plot induced incidents immediately forgetting the ENTIRE premise of PIS on the forums and immediately forgetting that we don't argue against characters based soley on plot holes and low showings. How many times do characters like Supes have fights lasting entire issues where virtually NO super speed can be indicated to be used in combat?... And yet we all know hypothetically in a forum fight, he won't be fighting to lose or to cater to a plot. DBZ is uber... utterly utterly uber. Plot holes be damned IMO.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Didn't one of the Spirit bombs have the power of surround planets and the sun and stars and stuff?

Well yeah, but that wasn't quite what I was getting at.

Originally posted by jinzin
Well yeah, but that wasn't quite what I was getting at.

I know. You just made me think, is all.
DBZ is uber, indeed.

Originally posted by jinzin
Meh.... I really just don't get how people can get so caught up on the issue of speed when it comes to DBZ.... at the stark beginning of the series Radditz dodges a blast that was fast enough to immediately connect with the moon. Damn thing had to have been moving relative to light speed to do that and Radditz dodges it in mid combat.... but because the Z fighters end up taking longer to travel around the world, down snake way, to ginger town or Kami's palace everyone arguing against DBZ starts to focus on these plot induced incidents immediately forgetting the ENTIRE premise of PIS on the forums and immediately forgetting that we don't argue against characters based soley on plot holes and low showings. How many times do characters like Supes have fights lasting entire issues where virtually NO super speed can be indicated to be used in combat?... And yet we all know hypothetically in a forum fight, he won't be fighting to lose or to cater to a plot. DBZ is uber... utterly utterly uber. Plot holes be damned IMO.

The problem is, some people doesn't want to give a damn about it and even put their speed, power, and durability in same level even though there's a huge gap between their PL.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
The problem is, some people doesn't want to give a damn about it and even put their speed, power, and durability in same level even though there's a huge gap between their PL.

And THATS where the problem begins. Some people on here is saying that Goku before his training with KI is almost as fast as the Goku that the Ginyu force fought and that is just plain STUPID. Power level difference is the key factor when it comes to Z fight and even a couple of hundreds with a difference in powerlevels could get someone F***** up because that would be a huge gap in the speed dept...example... Goku vs raditz, it was only a couple of hundreds in difference with power level but Raditz was on an entirely different level than Goku and Goku along with the aid of Piccolo couldnt even touch him and he tanked a Kameha from Goku like nothing.

If a 500 difference in powerlevel can give such a huge gap with Goku AND Piccolo vs Raditz when it comes to speed, strength, and durability, imagine what a couple of thousands would be like.

Originally posted by jinzin
Meh.... I really just don't get how people can get so caught up on the issue of speed when it comes to DBZ.... at the stark beginning of the series Radditz dodges a blast that was fast enough to immediately connect with the moon. Damn thing had to have been moving relative to light speed to do that and Radditz dodges it in mid combat.... but because the Z fighters end up taking longer to travel around the world, down snake way, to ginger town or Kami's palace everyone arguing against DBZ starts to focus on these plot induced incidents immediately forgetting the ENTIRE premise of PIS on the forums and immediately forgetting that we don't argue against characters based soley on plot holes and low showings. How many times do characters like Supes have fights lasting entire issues where virtually NO super speed can be indicated to be used in combat?... And yet we all know hypothetically in a forum fight, he won't be fighting to lose or to cater to a plot. DBZ is uber... utterly utterly uber. Plot holes be damned IMO.

Good post...

I love when Jinzin is on here, he rarely comes to the anime section but he know what he is talking about when he does.

Lets not even bring up chazu (I know I spelled that wrong) death against nappa. During mid explosion, while Chazu was self destructing, Nappa was able to put up a defense, again, during MID EXPLOSION and dodged the attack.

Thats some flash sh** if you ask me and Jinzin is right, thats all people like Mike and Kento is doing is using a plot (part of the story) against DBZ characters to down play their speed when we have so much on panel showings of them slapping FAST AS HELL blast out of the air like its nothing.

Hell, Raditz was shot by the same blast from piccolo that made it to the moon instantly and he dodged it like it was nothing.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
This post is crap, man.
You know good and well that the anime supplements the manga in reference to fight scenes because obviously you can do things with anime that you cant with manga.

Also, I seem to recall Vegeta blasting Cell to help Gohan. Didn't you say that Raditz was the only time? ...Yeah, you did.

Lets not forget Gohun, Krillin, and whoever else, help Goku with Vegeta.

Lets also not forget that Krillin and Gohun helped Vegeta against Recoome and the list goes on.

Originally posted by carver9
Lets not forget Gohun, Krillin, and whoever else, help Goku with Vegeta.

Lets also not forget that Krillin and Gohun helped Vegeta against Recoome and the list goes on.

Yeah, and they actually managed to knock Recoomb out for a few seconds. Krillin missed a golden opportunity to finish him off with a destructo disc.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, and they actually managed to knock Recoomb out for a few seconds. Krillin missed a golden opportunity to finish him off with a destructo disc.

Vegeta used Final Flash for the first time against Recoome.