DBZ more powerful than you think...

Originally posted by jinzin
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Uh.... fighting together allowed the Z fighters to stay in a fight long enough to beat frieza.

Nappa was almost beaten by teamwork during his fight with the Z fighters. Gohan simply failed to deliver.

Cell at the end of his Kamehameha off....

Hell isn't the Spirit Bomb kind of a testiment to working together to beat an oppontent?

All true.

And sometimes I wonder what would've happened if Gohan haden't frozen up.. I believe he'd kill Nappa, but the question is what would Vegeta do? Kill them all, toy with them....? Did Gohan inadvertently save himself and Krillin by failing?

Anyways, Goku vs Vegeta is probably one of the best examples of teamwork making a difference, since Vegeta had that fight dead to rights. Goku was finished, and got saved by Yajorobi of all people.

I'm not sure why Vegeta had this rivalry with Goku since day once, considering he never technically lost to him. (Once Goku gets to SSJ level first, his jealousy makes more sense..)

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Vegeta used Final Flash for the first time against Recoome.

For all the good it did him. 😛

I'm thinking more about Krillin knee dropping Recoombs head, making him eat his own attack and knock himself out for a few seconds. If Krillin had his act together, he could've easily finished him off.. (Remember his destructo disc could cut through anything before Perfect Cell..)

Hell, since he was out cold or stunned, he probably would've been vulnerable to a regular attack.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm not sure why Vegeta had this rivalry with Goku since day once, considering he never technically lost to him. (Once Goku gets to SSJ level first, his jealousy makes more sense..)

Originally posted by jinzin
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Uh.... fighting together allowed the Z fighters to stay in a fight long enough to beat frieza.

Nappa was almost beaten by teamwork during his fight with the Z fighters. Gohan simply failed to deliver.

Cell at the end of his Kamehameha off....

Hell isn't the Spirit Bomb kind of a testiment to working together to beat an oppontent?

It's not like they would've actually beaten Nappa. Just would've made him mad. Even Gohan when he got angry barely fazed Nappa.

It's not like Vegeta's attack...or any of the other Z fighters attacks hurt Cell or lessened his power...

Spirit Bomb kinda failed to beat two people also.

In the end only Radditz was still beaten by teamwork. What I said still holds true.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
This post is crap, man.
You know good and well that the anime supplements the manga in reference to fight scenes because obviously you can do things with anime that you cant with manga.

Also, I seem to recall Vegeta blasting Cell to help Gohan. Didn't you say that Raditz was the only time? ...Yeah, you did.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, what examples of an on panel showing do you have of someone going around the world in one panel. When you answer that, show me where you are getting it that the writer isnt trying to show this person gong faster than light.

It was a one panel showing of speed, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that he went around the world at a pretty high rate of speed in some seconds.

To my knowledge, a nap is 20 minutes; 5 minutes isnt a nap.

Originally posted by Kento

Freeza held back a lot. And somebody stronger appeared with each new form also... He could've killed them all easily. Heck any villain could have killed a lot of them easily but plot doesn't allow it.

Oookkkay, it still took team work to take frieza down. There were numerous of instances where frieza was going to outright KILL Goku if it wasnt for the aid of the other Z fighters. I really dont get the point of talking about this. Why are we discussing Z fighters vs villians? Are you trying to prove the speed thing that we were talking about?

Originally posted by Kento
😆 Whatever I give up.

I dont want you to give up, I want your thoughts on this because I think a lot of you all are being very bias (talking about the earth spinning, etc.. in a comic book 😕 and taking away from the fact that he took a nap and was toying around in the beginning before actually flying around the planet).

Originally posted by Kento

In the end only Radditz was still beaten by teamwork. What I said still holds true. Except that....You know the whole fight scene plays out just fine in the manga. Just like how the anime added SSj3 Gokou fighting Buutenks when he never does. They add stuff to fight scenes to make the episode longer. Every anime does....

😆 Whatever I give up.

Its nothing wrong with what the anime did and again the writer gave them the right to do that. That fight scene should be acceptable since it did happen in the manga. They are not going to make everything related to the comic because the stories would be too short to even be shown on TV.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont want you to give up, I want your thoughts on this because I think a lot of you all are being very bias (talking about the earth spinning, etc.. in a comic book 😕 and taking away from the fact that he took a nap and was toying around in the beginning before actually flying around the planet).

Yea, I'm being biased because I'm saying there is no way to give an actual time frame..... I've never said how long it took at all. There is no way to tell at all. The panel was to show him flying around the earth a few times. Nothing more. It could be in a few seconds, could take five minutes, could take 15. All we know is that between him forming, and Piccolo catching up is 29 minutes. That's why I said I give up. You can claim all you want it's just a few second of anything but no proof is still no proof.... There is like really only three speed feats that have any kind of time frame given and two of those don't have a known distance so they are pretty much impossible to calculate also..

Question about the light speed and beyond argument: in the Funimation dub of DBZ, Goku explicitly attributes his Instant Transmission technique to converting his body into light and thus being able to travel at 186,000 mps.

I think we can all agree that Instant Transmission is the fastest technique in DBZ. How do pro-FTL debators explain that away? I heard that in the manga, the maneuver is explained differently. But while I have it, I've never finished reading it. 😮

And in regards to strength, Vegeta wanted Dr. Brief to build him a ship that would simulate 300 times Earth's gravity (later went up to 450 obviously), and the doc warns him that his limbs would feel like 18 tons under that kind of pressure. If hitting Super Saiyan amps stats 50-fold across the board, that'd mean that bare minimum Vegeta would be capable of lighting as a SSJ would be 1,800,000 pounds...which is definitely impressive.

Originally posted by Enyalus
in the Funimation dub of DBZ

Don't they wait for an hour for Gokou to get to Earth after Trunks appears? Who is in a ftl ship? And Gokou tells them he could have used IT to get to Earth instantly to beat Freeza is he had to?

Originally posted by Kento
Freeza held back a lot. And somebody stronger appeared with each new form also... He could've killed them all easily. Heck any villain could have killed a lot of them easily but plot doesn't allow it.

It's not like they would've actually beaten Nappa. Just would've made him mad. Even Gohan when he got angry barely fazed Nappa.

Not so sure about that. Piccolo and Krillin even being able to stun Nappa shows his defenses were down.

And Vegeta sure seemed worried about Nappa's ability to handle Gohans best attack, and he was reading power levels through a scouter. If he made Nappas arm go numb, imagine what would've happened if it hit his head or chest. (Like how Ali could take George Foremans punches all day on the arms, but he'd be hurting taking a shot to the chin...)

Originally posted by Enyalus
Question about the light speed and beyond argument: in the Funimation dub of DBZ, Goku explicitly attributes his Instant Transmission technique to converting his body into light and thus being able to travel at 186,000 mps.

I think we can all agree that Instant Transmission is the fastest technique in DBZ. How do pro-FTL debators explain that away? I heard that in the manga, the maneuver is explained differently. But while I have it, I've never finished reading it. 😮

And in regards to strength, Vegeta wanted Dr. Brief to build him a ship that would simulate 300 times Earth's gravity (later went up to 450 obviously), and the doc warns him that his limbs would feel like 18 tons under that kind of pressure. If hitting Super Saiyan amps stats 50-fold across the board, that'd mean that bare minimum Vegeta would be capable of lighting as a SSJ would be 1,800,000 pounds...which is definitely impressive.

Dude they are much stronger than that. In the manga akira toriyama said that ssj3 goku has enough physical strength to lift an entire supercity (tokyo) which is in the billions of tons. And ssj3 is 400x base form goku would be able to lift at least 100 million tons in base form. Then they can amp their strength to planet busting levels (if they wanted to).

where/when did he say that?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
where/when did he say that?

You have to look for it in one of the manga volumes i forgot which one because itz been many years since I seen it. Read the actual manga volume books, dont go online to look for it.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, I didnt even read the rest of your post after you said someone with a power level of 500 can beat a character with the powrelevel of 1000.

Everything about DBZ proves that wrong and again, more bias on your part. Someone with a power level of 1000 should be able to TANK anything a person with a 500 power can throw out unless they are allowed time to charge up more KI.

Not necessarily, Kid Gohan's PL didn't over people like 3rd form Frieza when he attacked him. Frieza also couldn't tank Krillin's Destructo Disc, nor could Nappa. By Frieza, I mean him losing his tail and how Vegeta warns Nappa not to catch it.

Originally posted by kbclassof09
You have to look for it in one of the manga volumes i forgot which one because itz been many years since I seen it. Read the actual manga volume books, dont go online to look for it.

It's basically invalid and worthless here without proof or at least someone with decent credibility.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It's basically invalid and worthless here without proof or at least someone with decent credibility.

Well I tell you what ask somebody for it or find it yourself because I can't post links because im a newcomer, and I (as well as many others) have seen the statement about ss3 goku lifting supercity in manga (why would i lie about something so simple?) that's all the proof you can get unless somebody can actually show you.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Not necessarily, Kid Gohan's PL didn't over people like 3rd form Frieza when he attacked him. Frieza also couldn't tank Krillin's Destructo Disc, nor could Nappa. By Frieza, I mean him losing his tail and how Vegeta warns Nappa not to catch it.

😕 Gohun always shown not to have a cap on his power level so its not good to use him.

Destructo disc is one of the most powerful moves on anime and have been stated numerous of times as being able to cut through anything.

Thats like me bringing up the solar flare, saying that it only work on weaker beings than the person that is using it.

The only person that has EVER tanked the destructo disk is Cell.

Originally posted by Kento
That is the mistake right there, listening to the English dub.

Don't they wait for an hour for Gokou to get to Earth after Trunks appears? Who is in a ftl ship? And Gokou tells them he could have used IT to get to Earth instantly to beat Freeza is he had to?

Yeah; instant transmission>>>light speed. Thats one thing that I will agree with you on.

Originally posted by Kento
😕 I haven't said anything about the Earth spinning...the only thing I've said was the clouds were moving in the anime, not the planet itself.

Yea, I'm being biased because I'm saying there is no way to give an actual time frame..... I've never said how long it took at all. There is no way to tell at all. The panel was to show him flying around the earth a few times. Nothing more. It could be in a few seconds, could take five minutes, could take 15. All we know is that between him forming, and Piccolo catching up is 29 minutes. That's why I said I give up. You can claim all you want it's just a few second of anything but no proof is still no proof.... There is like really only three speed feats that have any kind of time frame given and two of those don't have a known distance so they are pretty much impossible to calculate also..

Take it how you want, all I know is, from what I saw, he went around the earth at least 6 or 7 times in one panel. I cant believe you are sitting here arguing this when you have posted Superman scans showing how many panels it took him to make it to a certain location.

Originally posted by carver9
😕 Gohun always shown not to have a cap on his power level so its not good to use him.

Destructo disc is one of the most powerful moves on anime and have been stated numerous of times as being able to cut through anything.

Thats like me bringing up the solar flare, saying that it only work on weaker beings than the person that is using it.

The only person that has EVER tanked the destructo disk is Cell.

His PL raised to a certain number that was still weaker than Frieza's when he attacked him. Regardless if you think he has a limitless PL the number at the time was still below Frieza.

And that right there proves you wrong in thinking that someone that is necessarily stronger than another can tank anything the weaker person can give. Also see Tien vs Cell Tri-Beam.