Originally posted by -Pr-
Stop lowballing Superman, and maybe we can talk. sneer
I ain't lowballing Big Blue at all. 😛
As far as I know, their last physical confrontation was in the Lightning Strikes Twice arc with Eclipso! Superman versus Captain Marvel. That confrontation, at its core, seems to suggest that physically, any difference between the two is negligible at best.
Even if the two were physically equal then Superman still wins a majority.
His advantages outweighs CM's advantages
We have for Superman:
1. Better fighting skill
2. More experience
3. HV
4. Freeze breath to slow CM down
5. Vibrate through attack ability
6. Blow breath, again to slow CM a little
vs. CM's
1. magical amp fists
2. shazam lightning (which is useless since Supes is faster than lightning or someone saying the word shazam)
If both fight at their best then Superman wins a high majority by simplying multiple attacking CM. Superman freezes CM to slow his speed down by at least 10% while using his extra skill to hit CM far more times than CM hits him. Also we have HV which would tax CM's health in the fight and blow breath which would slow CM down another 1-5%. Also we have Superman using pressure points and vibrating through attacks. This is all assuming that they are both physically equals.
Anyone who thinks that CM would edge Superman is thinking that Superman would sit there and brawl with CM and not use his other powers effectively as he's shown before while CM is using his powers effectively (magical amped fists).
Originally posted by h1a8
Even if the two were physically equal then Superman still wins a majority.His advantages outweighs CM's advantages
We have for Superman:
1. Better fighting skill
2. More experience
3. HV
4. Freeze breath to slow CM down
5. Vibrate through attack ability
6. Blow breath, again to slow CM a littlevs. CM's
1. magical amp fists
2. shazam lightning (which is useless since Supes is faster than lightning or someone saying the word shazam)If both fight at their best then Superman wins a high majority by simplying multiple attacking CM. Superman freezes CM to slow his speed down by at least 10% while using his extra skill to hit CM far more times than CM hits him. Also we have HV which would tax CM's health in the fight and blow breath which would slow CM down another 1-5%. Also we have Superman using pressure points and vibrating through attacks. This is all assuming that they are both physically equals.
Anyone who thinks that CM would edge Superman is thinking that Superman would sit there and brawl with CM and not use his other powers effectively as he's shown before while CM is using his powers effectively (magical amped fists).
Cm wins.
Originally posted by h1a8
Even if the two were physically equal then Superman still wins a majority.His advantages outweighs CM's advantages
We have for Superman:
1. Better fighting skill
2. More experience
3. HV
4. Freeze breath to slow CM down
5. Vibrate through attack ability
6. Blow breath, again to slow CM a littlevs. CM's
1. magical amp fists
2. shazam lightning (which is useless since Supes is faster than lightning or someone saying the word shazam)If both fight at their best then Superman wins a high majority by simplying multiple attacking CM. Superman freezes CM to slow his speed down by at least 10% while using his extra skill to hit CM far more times than CM hits him. Also we have HV which would tax CM's health in the fight and blow breath which would slow CM down another 1-5%. Also we have Superman using pressure points and vibrating through attacks. This is all assuming that they are both physically equals.
Anyone who thinks that CM would edge Superman is thinking that Superman would sit there and brawl with CM and not use his other powers effectively as he's shown before while CM is using his powers effectively (magical amped fists).
Arbitrary numbers 😬
and Shazam lightning won't be useless. Come on now.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Arbitrary numbers 😬and Shazam lightning won't be useless. Come on now.
Saying 10% is equivalent to saying that it will slow CM a little.
Actually this low estimate is based off the level in which Superman slowed down powerful opponents in the past. Meaning, it could be much higher than that. To assume that the freeze breath won't slow down CM a little is asinine based off what we've seen. 10% is a conservative low estimate which isn't quite noticeable in battle. But it could make the difference.
The lightning will be practically useless because CM has to say the word shazam and not because it won't harm Superman. Superman isn't going to just sit there and let CM say shazam and get hit by the lightning on purpose when he's fighting at his best.
Also we have the HV which could do some major damage if Superman's CIS wasn't in the way.
Originally posted by rotiartonly if Superman fights like an idiot and don't' use his other powers and abilities while CM fights at his best using all of his abilities effectively.
Cm wins.
The Heat Vision would only be a small nuisance to CM that can be ignored if he so choice rather than block it with his hand.
The Freeze breath would be irrelevant to a guy with the strength of Hercules, it should be a non factor might as well claim raindrops can slow him down.
Superman's Super Breath should also be just as useless since CM can fly in space and reach FTL speed..
I dont see supes various abilities giving him the edge here.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
The Heat Vision would only be a small nuisance to CM that can be ignored if he so choice rather than block it with his hand.The Freeze breath would be irrelevant to a guy with the strength of Hercules, it should be a non factor might as well claim raindrops can slow him down.
Superman's Super Breath should also be just as useless since CM can fly in space and reach FTL speed..
I dont see supes various abilities giving him the edge here.
If Superman wanted then the HV can penetrate through CM like water. There is plently of evidence to support this. But Superman's CIS prevents this. At least Superman can make it count as added damage or as a distraction to slow CM down.
You must not know that Superman has halted or greatly slowed down (for a small moment though) very powerful opponents (arguable as strong or stronger than hercules) before.
Superman's super breath isn't as potent as his freeze breath but it has many tons of force behind it that can slow CM a touch more.
Originally posted by h1a8did these opponents also have flight capabilities of hermes, and superhuman durability on Marvel's lvl?
If Superman wanted then the HV can penetrate through CM like water. There is plently of evidence to support this. But Superman's CIS prevents this. At least Superman can make it count as added damage or as a distraction to slow CM down.You must not know that Superman has halted or greatly slowed down (for a small moment though) very powerful opponents (arguable as strong or stronger than hercules) before.
Superman's super breath isn't as potent as his freeze breath but it has many tons of force behind it that can slow CM a touch more.
the tons of force behind his gale winds should be irrelevant when u compare CM's Flight capabilities.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
The Heat Vision would only be a small nuisance to CM that can be ignored if he so choice rather than block it with his hand.The Freeze breath would be irrelevant to a guy with the strength of Hercules, it should be a non factor might as well claim raindrops can slow him down.
Superman's Super Breath should also be just as useless since CM can fly in space and reach FTL speed..
I dont see supes various abilities giving him the edge here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you know anything about superman? His HV has koed despero in one hit, has oneshotted wonder woman just passing by, powered an engine that moved a planet 16 times larger than earth, warmed entire earth, smashed through white dwarf stars and has been stated as "incalculable" and "hotter than sun". His freeze breath has reached absolute zero and incapacitated Bizarro. Nuisance, he has caused Black adam to yell in pain by just a normal level of HV. You are thinking it's just LAZERZ but it's not.
I am aware of his heat vision feats and it being refereed by a scientist as being incalculable due to the limit of human technology. much of it was hyperbole.
and supes warming up the earth from a distance is a nice feat but again says nothing about it effecting CM especially since it is all within CIS.
I am sure it will hurt but it can also be ignored in a heat of battle, pain management and priorities.
Originally posted by NietzscheanOf course they did otherwise it would be almost irrelevant.
did these opponents also have flight capabilities of hermes, and superhuman durability on Marvel's lvl?
the tons of force behind his gale winds should be irrelevant when u compare CM's Flight capabilities.
Why would it be irrelevant when it would subtract from CM's acceleration even if it's slight?
Also
CM must push forward to prevent from being pushed back. He won't be pushing forward when he and Superman are at close range ready to attack. Thus Superman can blow him back initially.
But like I said, the freeze breath and hv is where it's at. Superman can do both simultaneously while punching and maneuvering.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
I am aware of his heat vision feats and it being refereed by a scientist as being incalculable due to the limit of human technology. much of it was hyperbole.and supes warming up the earth from a distance is a nice feat but again says nothing about it effecting CM especially since it is all within CIS.
I am sure it will hurt but it can also be ignored in a heat of battle, pain management and priorities.
Jesus.
So Captain Marvel's magically amped fists would be a negligible advantage and his summoned lightning would be useless, but Superman's plethora of powers are too much for Cap...even though comics don't support that AT ALL.
For the record, Cap can unleash massive thunderbolts without even saying "Shazam". And the argument that "Superman has to fight like an idiot" in order for Cap to stand a chance is also baseless. Cap's not as versatile as Superman, but considering he can discharge his magical lightning in ways beyond a mere punch and is no slouch when it comes to fighting and skills (as commented by Diana, who I'd imagine knows what the hell she's talking about in that sense), I guess I could say the only way Superman decisively beats Cap is if Cap doesn't exploit the advantage that is his potent magic. And let's fact it, any sheer strength advantage Superman has, which is incredibly finite and minimal barring him sun amping as based by their multiple encounters, is countered with the effect that Cap's fist will simply do more damage to Clark than vice versa because of the magic.
At absolute best, Superman could walk away with 6/10 here.