Superman Vs Captain Marvel

However, I still think they're evenly matched despite the magic.

Especially considering Cap failed to one shot KO Supes with a sucker punch, even though he charged his fist. And still claimed it was a lucky punch. Basically, across the board Supermans weaknesses have had less of an effect on him, to the point where he can have a good showing against a class 100 who's using Green K, red solar radiation, and magic brass knuckles. He probably won't win, but he can somewhat resist weakness exploitation now..

Also, Supes does have something of a healing factor, so maybe that makes up for whatever extra damage Caps lighting ends up doing. (By the same token, Cap has the endurance of Atlas, so I'm not saying he'll tire anytime soon..)

In the daytime with a sun charging him, I believe they're as evenly matched as can be...

Originally posted by cdtm
However, I still think they're evenly matched despite the magic.

Especially considering Cap failed to one shot KO Supes with a sucker punch, even though he charged his fist. And still claimed it was a lucky punch. Basically, across the board Supermans weaknesses have had less of an effect on him, to the point where he can have a good showing against a class 100 who's using Green K, red solar radiation, and magic brass knuckles. He probably won't win, but he can somewhat resist weakness exploitation now..

Also, Supes does have something of a healing factor, so maybe that makes up for whatever extra damage Caps lighting ends up doing. (By the same token, Cap has the endurance of Atlas, so I'm not saying he'll tire anytime soon..)

In the daytime with a sun charging him, I believe they're as evenly matched as can be...

They are. Which is what the comics themselves and DC in general feels about the two. Superman will undoubtedly always shine as the ultimate hero when push comes to shove, but in a direct confrontation, Cap and Superman are portrayed as equals or peers so often I don't see how it can really be disputed. Even in alt. realities/timelines, that's been shown ala Kingdom Come, Distant Fires, Justice, etc. Games and such feel the same way with the DC Comics RPG having Cap and Superman tie in virtually every gaming statistic with Cap having a stamina of one point over Supes, where Supes has a better combat skill score. Strength, speed, durability, they all tie.

Obviously, only canon material matters in the end, but it still shows the great lengths in which DC views the two of them. Until Superman outright obliterates Captain Marvel w/o any sort of context or amp or Captain Marvel concedes that Superman is far more powerful than him or Superman retracts his heartfelt and multiple statements of Cap being his equal in every way, I have no reason to believe that Superman would win more than 6/10 against Cap, and that's due to his wider range of abilities if he pushes them.

In a straight up brawl, it's going to be 50/50.

Very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very,very small edge t o supes.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Jesus.

So Captain Marvel's magically amped fists would be a negligible advantage and his summoned lightning would be useless, but Superman's plethora of powers are too much for Cap...even though comics don't support that AT ALL.

For the record, Cap can unleash massive thunderbolts without even saying "Shazam". And the argument that "Superman has to fight like an idiot" in order for Cap to stand a chance is also baseless. Cap's not as versatile as Superman, but considering he can discharge his magical lightning in ways beyond a mere punch and is no slouch when it comes to fighting and skills (as commented by Diana, who I'd imagine knows what the hell she's talking about in that sense), I guess I could say the only way Superman decisively beats Cap is if Cap doesn't exploit the advantage that is his potent magic. And let's fact it, any sheer strength advantage Superman has, which is incredibly finite and minimal barring him sun amping as based by their multiple encounters, is countered with the effect that Cap's fist will simply do more damage to Clark than vice versa because of the magic.

At absolute best, Superman could walk away with 6/10 here.

How is Cap going to discharge the lightning at Superman without saying Shazam? In trials of Shazam Billy hit the ground with a magical amped fist which caused the creature to become electrocuted.
Other that that I don't recall CM just throwing lightning bolts at people or summing bolts from the sky without saying Shazam.

So the problem is that I don't see how Cap is going to hit Superman with lightning other than his charged fists. Superman is also much faster than lightning and can avoid it if the fight is at a distance.

So again CM's lightning is far more useless than Clark's HV and Freeze Breath. If the lightning could land on Clark a good percentage then I would say that it is now even or that CM has a slight advantage.

Captain Marvel 7/10

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They are. Which is what the comics themselves and DC in general feels about the two. Superman will undoubtedly always shine as the ultimate hero when push comes to shove, but in a direct confrontation, Cap and Superman are portrayed as equals or peers so often I don't see how it can really be disputed. Even in alt. realities/timelines, that's been shown ala Kingdom Come, Distant Fires, Justice, etc. Games and such feel the same way with the DC Comics RPG having Cap and Superman tie in virtually every gaming statistic with Cap having a stamina of one point over Supes, where Supes has a better combat skill score. Strength, speed, durability, they all tie.

Obviously, only canon material matters in the end, but it still shows the great lengths in which DC views the two of them. Until Superman outright obliterates Captain Marvel w/o any sort of context or amp or Captain Marvel concedes that Superman is far more powerful than him or Superman retracts his heartfelt and multiple statements of Cap being his equal in every way, I have no reason to believe that Superman would win more than 6/10 against Cap, and that's due to his wider range of abilities if he pushes them.

In a straight up brawl, it's going to be 50/50.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Baseless, marvel only stalemates superman when Kal is holding back. If he is going all bloodlust on him, marvel would get wrecked just like many other "peers" of superman. Can you provide any scan of BLUNT force of magic harming superman more than it should. Considering how he failed to ko kal in one lightning charged suckerpunch while in almost every suckershot only one punch is required like j'onn koing marvel, doc samson koing hulk, namor koing hulk shows how MUCH more effective his amped punches are? Add in every of their fights where marvel has looked inferior like First eclipso fight, superman/batman 4, second eclipso fight and the claim that cap is his equal is just that, a claim. Holding back cap vs holding back superman 50/50. Bloodlusted cap vs bloodlusted superman, cap gets wrecked, superman 7/10. After all superman also said "we may be equal in raw power, princess", is that true too?

Captain Marvel holds back against Superman as well though. Both are holding back.

Cap's magical lightning won't be useless.

Superman's HV/Cold Breath won't be useless.

Jesus, read some comics people.

Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel holds back against Superman as well though. Both are holding back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A non holding back superman is far more dangerous than a non holding back cap. Don't embarrass yourself here, carver. Go back to hulk and gladiator.

Cap and Supes are pretty much equals. I think the threat level would be about the same. A non-holding back Superman got stalemated by Black Adam. Cap can do the same.

Originally posted by carver9
Cap and Supes are pretty much equals. I think the threat level would be about the same. A non-holding back Superman got stalemated by Black Adam. Cap can do the same.

No he didn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cap's magical lightning won't be useless.

Superman's HV/Cold Breath won't be useless.

Jesus, read some comics people.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The lightning is not being useless, it's that superman can dodge it easily. IF it hit cap only once, game over.

He won't be able to dodge it easily in the middle of a fist-fight. Can he dodge it? Sure. Will he do it every single time? Doubtful.

Originally posted by carver9
Cap and Supes are pretty much equals. I think the threat level would be about the same. A non-holding back Superman got stalemated by Black Adam. Cap can do the same.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He won't be able to dodge it easily in the middle of a fist-fight. Can he dodge it? Sure. Will he do it every single time? Doubtful.

Originally posted by carver9
Cap and Supes are pretty much equals. I think the threat level would be about the same. A non-holding back Superman got stalemated by Black Adam. Cap can do the same.

And Adam wasn't even fighting back, only trying to hold Superman off and talk him down.

Yet, Supes still couldn't mount much of an offense. It was a good showing for Adam, all things considered.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I am not saying he would dodge it every time. He has to dodge it only once in a fist fight or become intangible like he did against mongul and mongal's energy blast in a fist fight and the match is over. If cap tried to hold him and use lightning then again he would lose like he was going to in second eclipso fight.

Why does he only need to dodge it once? It's not going to hit Cap every time.

Originally posted by cdtm
And Adam wasn't even fighting back, only trying to hold Superman off and talk him down.

Yet, Supes still couldn't mount much of an offense. It was a good showing for Adam, all things considered.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did he stalemated a non holding back superman? When he really went apeshit on adam, adam retreated.

Superman "non holding back" licks didn't put a scratch on Adam. From the way it looked, his punches didn't do much to Adam at all. You might want to relook at that fight.

Adam retreated because he wasn't there to fight Supes. It wasn't because of a power issue because again, Supes couldnt even move him from his spot, let alone cause him any kind of physical damage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When he was still holding back and concerned about city and adam can't hit harder than cap holding back.

Superman stated he wasnt holding back. He didn't care about the city because a city block was wrecked during this encounter.