Originally posted by carver9
Superman "non holding back" licks didn't put a scratch on Adam. From the way it looked, his punches didn't do much to Adam at all. You might want to.tellin at that fight.Adam retreated because he wasn't there to fight Supes. It wasn't because of a power issue because again, Supes couldnt even move him from his spot, met alone cause him any kind of physical damage.
So the parts where Superman knocked him on his ass didn't happen, right?
Come on son.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Why does he only need to dodge it once? It's not going to hit Cap every time.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman "non holding back" licks didn't put a scratch on Adam. From the way it looked, his punches didn't do much to Adam at all. You might want to relook at that fight.Adam retreated because he wasn't there to fight Supes. It wasn't because of a power issue because again, Supes couldnt even move him from his spot, let alone cause him any kind of physical damage.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm going by what Superman stated during that fight.
What a character states has less validity than what a character does.
And besides, all Superman said was that Adam was durable enough to take strong punches. There was no speed, no exotic powers or anything like that. So choose your words carefully next time, please.
Originally posted by -Pr-
What a character states has less validity than what a character does.And besides, all Superman said was that Adam was durable enough to take strong punches. There was no speed, no exotic powers or anything like that. So choose your words carefully next time, please.
But it was clear that Adam wasn't taking that fight seriously right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not, considering it's targated on him untill he uses someone to block it. When did cap dodge shazam bolt considering it can change it's direction if he's in flight and has hit him in flight where he is changing positions constantly.
Cap can dodge and out race his own lightning. He has to stand still and allow the bolt to hit him to trigger the transformation to and from Billy Batson.
Not to mention that he can unleash lightning in expansive areas outside of yelling Shazam such as when he amps his fist or makes lightning fueled tackles.
As far as the whole holding back thing goes, Captain Marvel holds back against Superman, too. Hell, you could argue Cap holds back more in general and is less aggressive than Superman is by virtue of just how nice of a guy Billy is deep down inside. I get the fact that you feel the need to champion Superman in every thread and defend him, but honestly, the idea that Superman could ever "wreck" Captain Marvel is nonsensical and really based on nothing save extremely special circumstances that won't come up in a typical fight...ever.
The only time Cap really looked inferior to Superman in a fight was that first Eclipso one. In the second, it was painfully obvious that Cap was holding back and even so, perfectly capable of holding his own against Eclipso Superman. Superman requiring three sucker punches of Cap's to go down is an extremely good and high showing of Superman's resistence to magic, no doubt about it. But considering how well Cap has fared against Superman without explicitly amping his punches (which is a fairly new power of Cap's all things considered) or without bombarding him with Shazam bolts or lightning fueled quakes, it says a lot.
You can't cling to these claims of Cap's obvious inferiority (which really doesn't exist) and in the same breath ignore the multiple claims of Kal's concession that "we're too evenly matched" or "You're more equal in my every way" or "I had no idea what kind of power you possessed, Billy". The reality of the situation is that 9 times out of 10, Captain Marvel is going to stalemate or hold his own against Superman if and when they clash. That's just how it is. Agree with it or not, but them's the breaks.
As far as Diana goes, she's never stalemated Superman in a direct test of strength in the form of arm wrestling or locking arms (and multiple times at that).
Case in point, you may feel that Superman is >>> Cap, but, really, the majority of comics don't support that at all.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has stated many things, not all of them are true. He once said that Guy gardner hits harder than doomsday, is that true too?
Of course not.
But when his statements are supported by feats and are mentioned time and time again with more evidence supporting them than dismissing them, they cease to be just nice compliments and start becoming valid points.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And he was still able to knock him down when he tried.Are you seriously arguing that Superman was at his best against that Adam?
No worse than his pre crisis fight. They're pretty comparable, actually.
Superman really should struggle against someone that can overpower Captain Marvel, as Adam has.
Originally posted by cdtm
Carvers right.*Flips through comic*
Yep.
And Adam had time to comment on Superman using his hv, planted his feet, and took it like a man.
?
It didn't state that he uses his HV. It was ambiguous at best. And Adam still got knocked down.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Of course not.But when his statements are supported by feats and are mentioned time and time again with more evidence supporting them than dismissing them, they cease to be just nice compliments and start becoming valid points.
Looking forward to issue 7 of JLA?
Originally posted by cdtm
Carvers right.*Flips through comic*
Yep.
And Adam had time to comment on Superman using his hv, planted his feet, and took it like a man.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Looking forward to issue 7 of JLA?
I am.
I'm nervous to see how Geoff re-introduces Billy to the new continuity, but also excited. My primary fear is that he's going to wind up introducing Black Adam and letting his love for Teth go too far *cough*likeSinestro*cough*. At this point, I'd rather Cap just stand on his own with no CM3 or Mary Marvel and no team affiliations.
I agree with Pr; whatever Superman did was ambigious. His eyes glowing red, while typically an indicator of heat vision, doesn't always equal heat vision. Considering we don't see actual beams of heat striking Adam, just movement lines, I think it's just as likely, if not more so, that Superman simply struck him. Conversely, we do see smoke wafting off of Adam's body, which could either be from the crater like impact he made, or the aftermath of heat vision.
Adam certainly didn't "scream like a *****", and once he got to his feet, seemed no worse for the wear.