Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I can't find an 8th vote against, before my last update of the votes.

If you're referring to ODG pointing out TheTyrant's vote a few pages back, that wasn't a new vote, he had already previously voted and been counted.

It went to 9/7 when Konton retracted his vote, but will be back to 10/7 with fatnude's vote in the next update, unless there are more votes in the meantime.

If there is a vote against her move that I've missed then could you refer me to it?

That was THE Tyrant and the latest one was Dr. Tyrant I believe.

Originally posted by marwash22
At what point does personal opinion outwiegh fact?

On this list? Always. Hence, Gamora currently being Cosmic Tier. 🙁

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Come on PR... you're better than this. I know you love Superman as do many others but the facts are JUST as I stated. I've read countless superman comics and this is what I'm going by. You even admit in most of his fights he brawl more than uses MA... yet claim I haven't read enough superman by saying essentially that same thing? Pretty funny indeed. The facts ARE just as you point out... he brawls more than uses any kinda of MA skill what so ever. What he does know is shown few and far between during his fights and rarely ever mentioned. You can't attribute some crazy MA skills to somebody who rarely if ever shows it and go well he just chooses not to use them... Come on man.

Thats exacly what I was thinking, im afraid it seems hes not better than that at all. He might accuse you of not getting his analogy, when it simply isn't approriate.

Edit: I take it back he really could be third tier. However I think some of the tiers are messed up Moon Knight and Punisher should not be in third tier.

editedit: Actually im not so sure. Theres a decent amount of people in third tier that are more impressive than Superman, just having pressure point feats isn't enough in itself.

It's not like they are lobbying to move Superman into Cosmic Tier here guys. It's just Third Tier. Clark has legitimate pressure point feats, so its not as though he is completely unskilled, and Third Tier isn't exactly top notch or anything.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That was THE Tyrant and the latest one was Dr. Tyrant I believe.

This was the initial vote, already counted:

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Gamora is fine where she is. She is just as good as Val or Mantis.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Gamora should stay in the cosmic tier.

I've seen a Dr. Martin, i believe... but no, Dr. Tyrant.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not like they are lobbying to move Superman into Cosmic Tier here guys. It's just Third Tier. Clark has legitimate pressure point feats, so its not as though he is completely unskilled, and Third Tier isn't exactly top notch or anything.

Again Gamora doesn't just have pressure point feats but fighting feats as well. Stalemating Wolverine and im betting fighting Maxam in h2h is more difficult than fighting Captain America.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not like they are lobbying to move Superman into Cosmic Tier here guys. It's just Third Tier. Clark has legitimate pressure point feats, so its not as though he is completely unskilled, and Third Tier isn't exactly top notch or anything.

The completely unskilled shouldn't really be in the hierarchy at all...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know, Fat Cobra never one shotted Danny. 😈

Originally posted by Deadline
Again Gamora doesn't just have pressure point feats but fighting feats as well. Stalemating Wolverine and im betting fighting Maxam in h2h is more difficult than fighting Captain America.

Not sure what Gamora has to do with my quote but I'll bite.

She didn't stalemate Wolverine, she fought him for two panels - one panel in which she isn't even seen - and then got koed with a gut check in the third.

Fighting Maxam is only more difficult than fighting Cap because of his stats not his skill. Gamora fighting him had more to do with her stats being in the same relative ball park than it did her skill, and even then she didn't really have much and effect on him. Maxam pretty much stated that she was just annoying him.

At the end of the day she has inferior pressure point feats (both in scope and quantity), and fighting feats compared to virtually ever single fighter in the top tier... but she is listed as Cosmic.

@srank,

Now hold on a minute. I'm closer to your side of the argument against Gamora being cosmic and all, but surely you're not suggesting that Wolverine didn't stab Gamora while she was distracted?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not sure what Gamora has to do with my quote but I'll bite.

She didn't stalemate Wolverine, she fought him for two panels - one panel in which she isn't even seen - and then got koed with a gut check in the third.

I thought that was the heart. Um she got distracted.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Fighting Maxam is only more difficult than fighting Cap because of his stats not his skill.

Um please make an effort obvoulsy Stats and a little skill can be more formidable than fighting somebody with alot of skill.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gamora fighting him had more to do with her stats being in the same relative ball park than it did her skill,

What she had class 100 strength?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and even then she didn't really have much and effect on him. Maxam pretty much stated that she was just annoying him.

Considering how tough Maxam was its still impressive.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

At the end of the day she has inferior pressure point feats (both in scope and quantity), and fighting feats compared to virtually ever single fighter in the top tier... but she is listed as Cosmic.

To be quite honest you probably don't know what you're talking about eg you used Hyde as an example. Hyde isn't comparable to Maxam, Thing and She Hulk.

Originally posted by dmills
@srank,

Now hold on a minute. I'm closer to your side of the argument against Gamora being cosmic and all, but surely you're not suggesting that Wolverine didn't stab Gamora while she was distracted?

See what I have to put up with? Yeah he probably is. I might actually agree shes Uber as well.

Originally posted by dmills
@srank,

Now hold on a minute. I'm closer to your side of the argument against Gamora being cosmic and all, but surely you're not suggesting that Wolverine didn't stab Gamora while she was distracted?

I'm saying that two panels of a three panel fight where she wasn't even visible in the second panel and was down in the third, doesn't constitute her a stalemating Wolverine.

As it stands Wolverine is the most skilled person she has ever fought, and she didn't win. Not only did she not win but there was no indication that she was even slightly superior. Sure she was "distracted" but Wolverine was privy to save distraction as Gamora, and it didn't stop him form putting her down. If she was truly a Cosmic Level MA we should have seen some indication of it, but we haven't.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sure she was "distracted" but Wolverine was privy to save distraction as Gamora, and it didn't stop him form putting her down. If she was truly a Cosmic Level MA we should have seen some indication of it, but we haven't.

Hahaha. 😂 So Wolverine wasn't distracted but because he didn't he 'won' the fight? To be quite honest I mean't to say stalemating not stalemated but it shows she does have h2h skills as well. I think they fought for more than 2 panles we just didn't see it all.

Originally posted by Deadline
I thought that was the heart. Um she got distracted.

Gut check. She was distracted, but Wolverine not letting the same distraction get in his way of ending the fight says something. And seeing as she is a "Cosmic Level MA", even being initially distracted she should have been able to muster some defense. Do you think Wolverine could one shot Karate Kid in the same situation? I bet he would snapped out of it before Wolverine landed his blow.

Originally posted by Deadline
Um please make an effort obvoulsy Stats and a little skill can be more formidable than fighting somebody with alot of skill.

Maxam's skill is inconsequential. It's attributes that make him formidable. If you gave Cap class 70-80 strength he'd but on better show against Maxam than Gamora did.

Originally posted by Deadline
What she had class 100 strength?

Class 70-80

Originally posted by Deadline
Considering how tough Maxam was its still impressive.

Being nothing but a nuisance is impressive?

Originally posted by Deadline
To be quite honest you probably don't know what you're talking about eg you used Hyde as an example. Hyde isn't comparable to Maxam, Thing and She Hulk.

Hyde has taken blows from Thor and Hulk before. He's not as durable as Maxam (but Gamora never used any pressure points on Maxam and even if she did, nothing she did had any effect what so ever), but comparable to the Thing and She-Hulk, and relative to strength differences of each fighter (DD vs Gamora), its more impressive.

Daredevil also used his pressure point in combat, and has shown his use of pressure points to be move versatile as he has used them to blind his opponents and stimulate burning.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I can't find an 8th vote against, before my last update of the votes.

If you're referring to ODG pointing out TheTyrant's vote a few pages back, that wasn't a new vote, he had already previously voted and been counted.

It went to 9/7 when Konton retracted his vote, but will be back to 10/7 with fatnude's vote in the next update, unless there are more votes in the meantime.

If there is a vote against her move that I've missed then could you refer me to it?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're right about TheTyrant's vote, I didn't realize it was already counted. But Batdude's vote was already counted.

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If you've voted for something, you don't need to vote again... ermm

Unless your vote isn't listed there.

@srank,
Gotcha. Your use of the term "gut checked", seemed to imply that he merely punched her in the stomach as opposed to stabbing her.

Claws out but directed at the stomach.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not like they are lobbying to move Superman into Cosmic Tier here guys. It's just Third Tier. Clark has legitimate pressure point feats, so its not as though he is completely unskilled, and Third Tier isn't exactly top notch or anything.

But it still represents the level of a lot of people who are primarily martial artists, and he only really manages that stuff when he has superspeed.

Fourth tier is a fairly high level of skill in itself, let's not forget.