Originally posted by batdude123...and once again, you manage to leave out the circumstances. I realize I'm probably coming off as a Superman hater in this thread, that's not true at all. It's just that, no one has provided one single instance where he has displayed skill worthy of being moved up a tier. Pressure point strikes don't mean a darn thing when the only reason you can implement them is due to your ridiculous speed advantage. It also means jack squat when you use them on someone who is as strong as you, but has no martial art training.
Against people who are, somehow, above him in the tiers list.
Inference isn't enough to prove your point, if it was, Gamora's placement wouldn't be in question.
Originally posted by marwash22
...and once again, you manage to leave out the circumstances. I realize I'm probably coming off as a Superman hater in this thread, that's not true at all. It's just that, no one has provided one single instance where he has displayed skill worthy of being moved up a tier. Pressure point strikes don't mean a darn thing when the only reason you can implement them is due to your ridiculous speed advantage. It also means jack squat when you use them on someone who is as strong as you, but has no martial art training.Inference isn't enough to prove your point, if it was, Gamora's placement wouldn't be in question.
Originally posted by marwash22
...and once again, you manage to leave out the circumstances. I realize I'm probably coming off as a Superman hater in this thread, that's not true at all. It's just that, no one has provided one single instance where he has displayed skill worthy of being moved up a tier. Pressure point strikes don't mean a darn thing when the only reason you can implement them is due to your ridiculous speed advantage. It also means jack squat when you use them on someone who is as strong as you, but has no martial art training.Inference isn't enough to prove your point, if it was, Gamora's placement wouldn't be in question.
The double standards in the arguments presented against Superman moving up are glaringly obvious, and hilarious to me.
Everyone not named "Superman" appears to get the benefit of the doubt in terms of placement. If that's not Superman hate, then I don't know what is.
I'm not inferring anything. Superman's placement has absolutely nothing to do with the present discussion about Gamora... at all.
Originally posted by batdude123
The double standards in the arguments presented against Superman moving up are glaringly obvious, and hilarious to me.Everyone not named "Superman" appears to get the benefit of the doubt in terms of placement. If that's not Superman hate, then I don't know what is.
I'm not inferring anything. Superman's placement has absolutely nothing to do with the present discussion about Gamora... at all.
We've seen him fight non-powered several times, though, and I think his feats there still put him at four.
Kobra pretty clearly out-skilled him in their fight, and Kobra's a tier three.
It's not so much benefit of the doubt... because I don't think there's much doubt. He's a tier four that has some tricks he can apply when he has his super speed and precision, but not when he's human.
I don't think there's many tier threes he can do all that well against, and I think there's quite a few tier fours better than him. Rorschach, Catwoman, Batwoman, Blink, Misty Knight. I'll also point out some tier fours like She-Hulk have been seen using pressure points too. The impression thing of pressure points isn't knowing where to do them, that's merely anatomy knowledge, it's pulling it off against a skilled for.
Marwash22
Moving Superman up to 3rd because there are already people in 3rd that are worse than him, is logically retarded.
What 3rd tiers are worse than him anyway? Human level to human level, I honestly think all of them are in the 6/10 to 9/10 range over him when I look the list over.
Originally posted by Q99
What 3rd tiers are worse than him anyway? Human level to human level, I honestly think all of them are in the 6/10 to 9/10 range over him when I look the list over.
Originally posted by Batdude123
Aquaman, Loki, Lobo, Thor, Hercules, Dr. Doom, Kalibak, Orion (who's somehow 2nd tier), Beta Ray Bill, etc.
this dude has a chub for Supes.
Originally posted by batdude123Damn! I have been found out. Yes, going out of my way to refute Superman's fraudulent martial arts exploits is what gets me going.
Not at all. I'm telling it as it is.It's pretty obvious you get hard hating on Superman.
Which is fine, but at least have the balls to admit it.
Originally posted by Spire
I'm not really shocked at the downplaying of Superman's scans and feats, and usage of 'Nah uh' arguments, but rather the blatant displays of character-hate and the continual participation in said 'debate' using haterade powered responses and rebuttals.
I'm not shocked by any of it.
I just find it funny and pathetic.