Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
agreed. Hell I bet a signle hand ninja could take several secret service guys at the same time.

though impressive I think it being blown up to a level I simply dont think it on.

to the rest of the thread

though this is not to say the feat is not impressive, also I keep seeing the no powers comment? how do you know he used no powers? like all gods and haft god they al posses a level of superhuman physical prowesses so why would it be assumed he was not using it?

lulz, like a Hand ninja would even make this tier list. Based on how inept and ineffective they are in comics, Ben Urich could beat a Hand ninja with his shoes tied and a limp celery stick.

Phobos' powers are his fear powers and apparently a bit of levitation. Obviously, he didn't use them. And I don't think a god with superhuman physical prowess is going to grunt, "OWWWF" falling out of a second story window, grumble "Crap" when rockets are launched at him, or get picked up in a bear hug by a normal human and have to kick his way out.

To those who aren't aware of his origin, Phobos would literally get picked on by other normal school-kids and get in fights with them. If he had superhuman physical prowess, those kids would have been demolished.

And it's honestly surprising how many of you are objecting to his second tier status when none of you have been able to (i) name me a single character who could do what Phobos did in the third tier, i.e., destroying but completely sparing the entire Secret Service, or (ii) name anybody in the third tier, much less the second tier, who could demolish a group of demons blind-folded. Well... except for the humorous reference to a ninja being able to do this.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And I don't think a god with superhuman physical prowess is going to grunt, "OWWWF" falling out of a second story window, grumble "Crap" when rockets are launched at him, or get picked up in a bear hug by a normal human and have to kick his way out.

To those who aren't aware of his origin, Phobos would literally get picked on by other normal school-kids and get in fights with them. If he had superhuman physical prowess, those kids would have been demolished.

Oh yeah forgot about that. Memory is a bit hazy.

Nominations: Hand Ninja and other melee focused mooks, as well as people like marines and other soldiers with noticeable HtH training: Tier 5

Hydra, AIM, Kobra, etc. mooks, as well as nameless cops: Tier 6 (overall equal to Hand in combat power, just, y'know, they use guns more instead of punching)

Hm... do we have Carmilla Black listed? Should she be 3 or 4...?

what are the votes for the top tier spot?

Hand Ninja to second tier, he bested Dr. Strange who held his own against Mantis biscuits

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know much about Pepper Potts but if shes crap at h2h it contradicts everything else.

If you say so. Bendis and Fraction always make villains look like even bigger losers than they really are and I read Masque only under them (and Parker), so I can't be objective.

Originally posted by Bentley
Hand Ninja to second tier, he bested Dr. Strange who held his own against Mantis biscuits

Hand ninjas do have some good feats, they are underrated.

Some elite Hand Ninja that still attack in groups are probably tier 4, though the bulk of the ones you see are tier 5.

Once they break into tier 3, that's reserved for named individual ones, and occasionally they break into tier 2.

That's how I see it.

Originally posted by Q99
Some elite Hand Ninja that still attack in groups are probably tier 4, though the bulk of the ones you see are tier 5.

Once they break into tier 3, that's reserved for named individual ones, and occasionally they break into tier 2.

That's how I see it.

Akuma the Hand ninja destroyed Daredevil biscuits

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Akuma the Hand ninja destroyed Daredevil biscuits

I assume he had some special powers? Anyway, not an unnamed type.

Elektra's Hand too, after all.

Originally posted by Q99
I assume he had some special powers? Anyway, not an unnamed type.

Elektra's Hand too, after all.

yep 👆 TK and superhuman strength, arguably.

For Hawkman to third.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If you say so. Bendis and Fraction always make villains look like even bigger losers than they really are and I read Masque only under them (and Parker), so I can't be objective.

I've only read Masque under Bendis thats were im getting my feats from.

Originally posted by Deadline
I've only read Masque under Bendis thats were im getting my feats from.

Wow. Kinda weird considering he made Jessica one-shot Masque in Finale (was a cheapshot, but still). Could you tell me in what issue that stalemate and fight with shield agents happened?

Bendis loves to have villians get dropped in 1-3 hits

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And it's honestly surprising how many of you are objecting to his second tier status when none of you have been able to [b](i) name me a single character who could do what Phobos did in the third tier, i.e., destroying but completely sparing the entire Secret Service, or (ii) name anybody in the third tier, much less the second tier, who could demolish a group of demons blind-folded. Well... except for the humorous reference to a ninja being able to do this. [/B]
Seriously guys? The same questions above are still going unanswered.

And on the second question, for reference purposes since nobody has even tried addressing it (leading me to believe none of you have actually read Ares #3): Blind-folded. Surrounded by demons. Brainwashed into being ruthless. Rips them all to pieces effortlessly. Blind-folded. This is not a third-tier skill showing:

Phobos to second tier. At the very least, if you're not confident either way, then just abstain. crackers

P.S. But seriously... second tier. uhuh

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wow. Kinda weird considering he made Jessica one-shot Masque in Finale (was a cheapshot, but still). Could you tell me in what issue that stalemate and fight with shield agents happened?

New Avengers 46 (Shield Agents) and 53(fight with Spider Woman).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Seriously guys? The same questions above are still going unanswered.

And on the second question, for reference purposes since nobody has even tried addressing it (leading me to believe none of you have actually read Ares #3): Blind-folded. Surrounded by demons. Brainwashed into being ruthless. Rips them all to pieces effortlessly. Blind-folded. This is not a third-tier skill showing:

[b]Phobos to second tier. At the very least, if you're not confident either way, then just abstain. crackers

P.S. But seriously... second tier. uhuh [/B]

I think nobody really gives a **** about Phobos. Phobos for second tier.

Originally posted by Deadline
New Avengers 46 (Shield Agents) and 53(fight with Spider Woman).

I read #53, completely forgot about that fight. Decent showing, even though she used those smoke grenades and was about to shoot her at the end. Will check out issue 46 soon.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I read #53, completely forgot about that fight. Decent showing, even though she used those smoke grenades and was about to shoot her at the end. Will check out issue 46 soon.

Stilt they were both fighting in smoke I don't think it gave Masque an advantage. Sure she was about to shoot her because it was the easier option.

Any updates? Shadowland's started after all.

Looks like we won't get much new info on WW from her new form- she can't fly or use all her powers but she can still drop thousands of feet without a scratch.

Originally posted by Q99
To spark some debate: Who would people say is among the top dogs of the top tier? 🙂

And here's a topic: All the other Immortal Weapons.

Mostly second tiers?

Probably with the names of Batgirl(Cass), Richard Dragon, Batman or Daredevil, Ironfist, Shang Chi.

Debatable and definitely still up there Cap, Logan, Blackpanther but these guys are enhanced(but then again so is Ironfist).