Depends where you cap it. If you view Sasuke from Naruto as a human who is powerful based on his skill he stomps Val out easily. Non super powered MA (ie.: Chakra, Ki, Reitsu...) and are solely using techniques available in the MU/DCNU. Ryoga for example from Ranma 1/2 is class 100 and can fire building busting blasts of concentrated emotion.
Originally posted by NibedicusAnime martial artists are basically supernatural like Iron Fist and his kin. And their heights tend to reach as high as you can imagine with comic characters. They can be Superman-level and beyond.
I wonder how comic book martial artists would rank against anime martial artists as most every anime character is essentially powerful because of their martial prowess.
In other words, most comic characters'd get their butts kicked. Someone as diminutive as Sakura from Naruto would wreck Batman, Captain America and Wolverine with her pinky.
My thought was more: would they consider the powers gained via skill (like chakra manipulation, enhanced strength/speed, levitation/flight/leaping, etc.) as something outside what is considered "martial ability" (and thus not consider it in the criteria of ranking such characters) or would they be added onto the martial ability level of said characters (making many characters rank unusually high. Roshi for example would be leagues above even KK). Would new tier levels be needed? Genuinely curious on this.
Originally posted by NibedicusWell, people can feel differently about this, but comic martial artists like Iron Fist and Temugin I think are generally considered higher tier martial artists because of the random esoteric abilities they can utilize through their martial prowess.
My thought was more: would they consider the powers gained via skill (like chakra manipulation, enhanced strength/speed, levitation/flight/leaping, etc.) as something outside what is considered "martial ability" (and thus not consider it in the criteria of ranking such characters) or would they be added onto the martial ability level of said characters (making many characters rank unusually high. Roshi for example would be leagues above even KK). Would new tier levels be needed? Genuinely curious on this.
So it shouldn't be any different with anime characters otherwise that'd be a double standard. There are street-level mutants, meta-level mutants, high herald-level mutants, even Abstract-level mutants. The same should extend to martial artists. It's just that American comics don't really have any so people aren't used to seeing it. Manga has plenty though. It's just how it is.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I wonder how comic book martial artists would rank against anime martial artists as most every anime character is essentially powerful because of their martial prowess.
Varies so very much.
Many anime martial arts effectively gives superpowers. Some don't. Exotic stuff is way more common, except in series where it's not.
this is an utter sh!t show of a thread.... is there any actual "current" list, or is the one xmark used on the opening page still the one that is being used as a general guide....?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[b]Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy [192]Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [3]
Gamora, Karate Kid, MantisUber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [10]
Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-Vell, Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin, ThanosTop Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, WolverineSecond Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [58]
Agent X, Artemis, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Domino, Donatello, Echo, Erik Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Hawkman, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Magnus, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Orion, Ozymandias (DC), Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23, ZealotThird Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [66]
Alpha, Ares (Marvel), Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Cat, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Donna Troy, Drax, Duke (GI Joe), Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Heavy Duty (GI Joe), Hercules, Hippolyta, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Lobo, Loki, "Mad Dog" Cain, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Mystique, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Prodigy, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sage, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, Typhoid Mary, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong, YukioFourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [37]
Aquaman, Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Beast, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Danielle Moonstar, Deathbird, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Jamie Madrox, Joker, Jubilee, Luke Cage, Mister Fantastic, Misty Knight, Nite Owl II, Rorschach, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Strong Guy, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wonder Man, Zauriel [/B]
this should be closed and restarted. too much sh!t to possibly wade through.
In the DCnU, Batman stated that Cassandra Cain AKA Orphan might be the best fighter in the world.
Jason Todd is easily top tier now. Owning Shiva and whatnot. Even doing MUCH better against Cassandra than Dick Grayson.
Batgirl (Barbra) will probably get an upgrade as she will train with Grandmasters in the upcoming Relaunch.
Originally posted by leonidas
this is an utter sh!t show of a thread.... is there any actual "current" list, or is the one xmark used on the opening page still the one that is being used as a general guide....?this should be closed and restarted. too much sh!t to possibly wade through.
How do you really feel?
Originally posted by leonidas
this is an utter sh!t show of a thread.... is there any actual "current" list, or is the one xmark used on the opening page still the one that is being used as a general guide....?this should be closed and restarted. too much sh!t to possibly wade through.
This? This was just a warmup, leo.
See THIS:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8705068#post8705068
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Originally posted by Zack M
In the DCnU, Batman stated that Cassandra Cain AKA Orphan might be the best fighter in the world.Jason Todd is easily top tier now. Owning Shiva and whatnot. Even doing MUCH better against Cassandra than Dick Grayson.
Batgirl (Barbra) will probably get an upgrade as she will train with Grandmasters in the upcoming Relaunch.
Wow, poor shiva.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This? This was just a warmup, leo.See THIS:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8705068#post8705068
😄 😄 😄 😄 😄
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geebus h.....
this should work like the other threads--have a list that is used as a general guide then lock it and open on rare occasions where it is needed.