Originally posted by RobtardI'm not discussing the actual matchup here, I'm discussing magic versus the force.
Why? Because Potter loses to it, among a couple other options?In the films, magic is, as it has more diversity and specific applications for doing things, while the Force is mainly a physical-abilities booster, telekinesis and sense-booster.
Now, you think that if Harry casts a spell that Vader cannot see, Vader will react and block it? Remember, Vader has no idea what a spell is, he cannot see it, it is foreign to him.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Now, you think that if Harry casts a spell that Vader cannot see, Vader will react and block it? Remember, Vader has no idea what a spell is, he cannot see it, it is foreign to him.
I'd say no, as it's magic, but the Force does grant him extra-sensory perception, so there's that.
Edit: Vader would sense an attack though before it happened and he could react to it.
What's your end-game with this?
Originally posted by KingD19Indeed. Which brings me back to how each combatant will approach this fight.
Remember, Harry has no idea what the Force is, he cannot see it, it is foreign to him. 🙂
Vader sees a boy with a stick. Harry sees a big mamma jamma in black armor.
How, in all likelihood, will it go down?
I doesn't really matter, becuase Force choke isn't something you can actually block without the Force. Its not an actual hand around your throat from what I can tell, or at the very least not tangible, becuase nobody can remove it with they're hands or even remotely try. Its more likely that seeing as the Force is in everything the Sith makes the neck itself contract. The only other thing I can think of it making the air itself harden and strangle, like in the case of a Force push. It can't be raw energy becuase Force energy has colour and substance, so yeah, probably the neck itself is squeezed.
HP wiki says that Protego is an 'energy barrier' and has a nice pic of Snape with a swirly shield in front of him. If thats true then I don't see how it would block any of the possible ways Force Choke takes effect.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I doesn't really matter, becuase Force choke isn't something you can actually block without the Force. Its not an actual hand around your throat from what I can tell, or at the very least not tangible, becuase nobody can remove it with they're hands or even remotely try. Its more likely that seeing as the Force is in everything the Sith makes the neck itself contract. The only other thing I can think of it making the air itself harden and strangle, like in the case of a Force push. It can't be raw energy becuase Force energy has colour and substance, so yeah, probably the neck itself is squeezed.HP wiki says that Protego is an 'energy barrier' and has a nice pic of Snape with a swirly shield in front of him. If thats true then I don't see how it would block any of the possible ways Force Choke takes effect.
Yoda is quoted as saying the following about the force, to Luke, on Dagobah.
" It is what gives a Jedi his power. It is the energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us. It binds the universe together."
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, so we've established that HP magic is, generally, stronger than the force, yes?
In specific applications, yes. Where the Force trumps magic mostly, is the advantages it gives those that are Force sensitive and trained.
What does it matter if Dumbledore can cast spells that can kill people instantly, when he's far slower to react than a well trained Padawan.
Originally posted by Robtard
In specific applications, yes. Where the Force trumps magic mostly, is the advantages it gives those that are Force sensitive and trained.What does it matter if Dumbledore can cast spells that can kill people instantly, when he's far slower to reactr than a well trained Padawan.
Here's what I am getting at. Harry is well trained at shield charms, he taught Dumbledore's army to use them. Protego Horriblis is a variation of a shield charm. In all likelihood, Protego Horriblis will protect Harry against any and all force attacks.
Originally posted by NephthysExactly. And as you pointed out earlier, HP wiki says that Protego is an 'energy barrier'.
Exactly, the Force is in everything.
Now, if HP magic is stronger than the force, then the energy that is the force should have no way of trumping a shield charm, which is an "energy barrier."
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, but a well maintained gun will operate flawlessly 99% of the time.
That didn't help your argument... you basically just said that Force-Precog works 99% of the time. So by your estimate, Potter has a 1% chance to win here, which I think is a bit overzealous, but I'd buy it.
Potter wins 1 out of 100 mathces, agreed. /end thread
Originally posted by Robtard
That didn't help your argument... you basically just said that Precog would work 99% of the time. So by your estimate, Potter has a 1% chance to win here, which I think is a bit overzealous, but I'd buy it.Potter wins 1 out of 100 mathces, agreed. /end thread
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly. And as you pointed out earlier, HP wiki says that Protego is an 'energy barrier'.Now, if HP magic is stronger than the force, then the energy that is the force should have no way of trumping a shield charm, which is an "energy barrier."
Counter?
I was saying that a well maintained gun is more reliable than precog.