Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am merely quoting force choke as we saw it onscreen, you, on the other hand, are saying that it does something it was never shown doing. Altering screen feats.Yeah, he can still use the force, but if his armor gives way, or his head is crushed in his helmet, he's ****ed. One of the two WILL happen, dude. Pick one.
Vader takes about twenty seconds to force choke someone into blackness. More than enough time for Harry to cast Engorgio and **** Vader out of his armor. Vader cannot breathe outside his suit, dude, and if his head is being crushed inside his helmet, the battle is over.
It's quite simple, babe.
I never once altered screen feats. Don't accuse me of such. All I did was do a play on words and you corrected it.
No, the battle is not over. When Luke removed Vader's helmet in ROTJ, Vader was already dying. We have no set limit for how long Vader can survive out of his suit. Period. Vader needs his suit to breath and survive, but we have no idea how long he can go without it.
Just because Harry took on the bad wizards and Voldemort, you assume his balls are the size of cantaloupes and his will is iron. You're telling me that he won't panic if he is being Force choked? And, might I add, when Harry "cast" the balloon spell on fat woman, he did it unintentionally from his anger.
It's simple: You say that Harry can maintain a level of coherence while being choked to cast a spell to kill Vader, yet if Vader is outside of his suit, he dies instantly. Oh, and by the way, his helmet couldn't crush his head. It's a top helmet that pops off and his mask is detachable. So much for your squishy head theory.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm, Vader has no defense against Engorgio, yet you persist. Start in the corner of the room and paint your way towards the door next time.Can't control it? Irrelevant, that in fact makes it even more deadly. He can do it, he did it on screen, case closed.
And why didn't Vader use this steel crushing attack more than once? Because at the time he was heartbroken over the loss of Padme. If this attack was so easily executed, why did he not use it against Kenobi?
Like I said, Harry read about sectumsempra, then executed it flawlessly. If he witnesses a teacher doing a spell, it's the same thing. Wave the wand, utter the incantation, done deal. What's the difference between reading something and witnessing it being done? None. 😄
Considering that your '100's of spells' has been whittled down to 1 which he cannot actually use, I think I'm golden where I am.
If he can't control it then he can't use it. How's he going to use it if he can't do it whenever he wants. What, is your argument that he'll get angry enough that he'll subconsciously use a skill he doesn't know he has and miraculously utilise, without meaning to, the one spell that might possibly be useful to him? Haha, yeah...
Would you like a EU answer or the movie one? EU answer is that all Jedi and Sith are trained to create a small barrier against force attacks at all times in a fight. This is so the can't do things like pull their arms a few inches to the left or trip them up without first braking through their shield. Movie answer? George Lucas isn't too bright or he's never wanted to. When he Force Chokes people he wants to slowly kill people, something just snapping their necks wouldn't do. Thats why its a darkside power, its slow on purpose. He tried to use the Force against Kenobi remember? It got his ass thrown across a room. And where in the movie does it say his power was fuelled by his rage or grief?
It doesn't matter, not that I agree with you, becuase he'd still need his wand to perform it, and he'd still need to get it off before Vader starts choking him or snapping him.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Engorgio, huh?Since when did Harry ever use that in a battle/fight? I mean...ever? Since when has Harry shown the ability actually control it?
As fact, it took quite a while for Harry to get pissed enough to randomly do some magic that LOOKED similar to engorgio. It is NOT engorgio, BTW, it is some other random magic that doesn't have a name. If Harry were to cast engorgio in the manner that you want him to, RJ, then Vader's whole body, suit included, would get larger. This incorrectly assumes that Harry would even get the spell off.
Also, who's to say that it wouldn't just make Vader's suite bigger while Vader stayed the same? The only time I remember it being used in the books is on the spider and POSSIBLY on some pumpkins by Hagrid. Both items were "naked".
So, not only do you want Vader to get bigger, you don't realize that it's not the same spell that caused fatass to balloon up and float.
I'll bring this up again: how much of Vader is actually NOT under armor?
Why would Vader, who can react to blaster bolts with just his bare hands, just stand around and get hit by ANY of those slow moving spells? That's really confusing, for me.
Force choke, huh? When did Vader ever use this during a fight or a duel? Padme, Ozzel and Piett were not fighting him, BTW. Why didn't he use it on kenobi? Why dodnt he force choke luke into blackness and take him to the Emperor? Hmmmmmm? He didnt. So if we obey the MVF golden rule, Vader does NOT force choke while in battle. Like that? Huh?
Harry was getting pissed, turned on her and it was done, dude. Her clothes stretched as she got larger, man.
Doesn't matter about Vaders suit, his helmet houses his head, his head will expand, and it will give way or his head will explode, trancers style.
Vader blocking a blaster bolt and Vader blocking a spell are two different things....If thats your new argument, fine. Protego blocks force choke.
Originally posted by ImpedimentMattie, in Goblet of fire, Harry was in a position where he could not breathe during the second task. He did not panic, he simply acknowledged what was going on and levitated himself out of the water. He doesnt panic.
I never once altered screen feats. Don't accuse me of such. All I did was do a play on words and you corrected it.No, the battle is not over. When Luke removed Vader's helmet in ROTJ, Vader was already dying. We have no set limit for how long Vader can survive out of his suit. Period. Vader needs his suit to breath and survive, but we have no idea how long he can go without it.
Just because Harry took on the bad wizards and Voldemort, you assume his balls are the size of cantaloupes and his will is iron. You're telling me that he won't panic if he is being Force choked? And, might I add, when Harry "cast" the balloon spell on fat woman, he did it unintentionally from his anger.
It's simple: You say that Harry can maintain a level of coherence while being choked to cast a spell to kill Vader, yet if Vader is outside of his suit, he dies instantly. Oh, and by the way, his helmet couldn't crush his head. It's a top helmet that pops off and his mask is detachable. So much for your squishy head theory.
Likewise, if Vader is exposed, if his suit gives, you think he is just gonna sit there and keep force choking? Nah.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Force choke, huh? When did Vader ever use this during a fight or a duel? Padme, Ozzel and Piett were not fighting him, BTW. Why didn't he use it on kenobi? Why dodnt he force choke luke into blackness and take him to the Emperor? Hmmmmmm? He didnt. So if we obey the MVF golden rule, Vader does NOT force choke while in battle. Like that? Huh?Harry was getting pissed, turned on her and it was done, dude. Her clothes stretched as she got larger, man.
Doesn't matter about Vaders suit, his helmet houses his head, his head will expand, and it will give way or his head will explode, trancers style.
Vader blocking a blaster bolt and Vader blocking a spell are two different things....If thats your new argument, fine. Protego blocks force choke.
No. No, no, no, no, no. Now YOU, RJ, are trying to switch the meaning of the Golden Rule. Vader uses Force Choke on screen. Period. He can use it in this match during a fight. If you can't debate any further and follow rules, then you need to concede. The MVF Golden Rule is not on trial here. Period.
Thats just as silly as saying that the Predator can use his suit for camo, but only when he is sitting completely still and not during a fight.
Watch and learn, people:
1:45, Harry gets pissed and tells her to shut up.
1:47, the lights dim and wind blows.
1:54, the enlargement process begins. Marge swells up, he clothes stretch (No, DDM, they do NOT get bigger), and she floats away. By 1:58, her head is swelling.
13 seconds, that's all it takes for Vaders head to be crushed inside his helmet.
Now lets watch Vader in action:
Admiral Ozzel. :06, force choke begins. :25, Ozzel dies. 19 seconds.
Padme. at 2:41 Vader begins force choke. At 2:53 Padme goes down.
And she wasn't dead. 😄
Any more questions?
Originally posted by Impediment
I can't believe I didn't think of that before:F*ck a Force Choke.
Force grab wand. Immediately Force sling Potter allover the room like a rag doll. Unconsciousness. Death. Blood.
Let me guess:
Harry can still cast spells while being bludgeoned and slung around the room?
Originally posted by ImpedimentThat was towards DDM, we were texting and he was being an ass 🙄
No. No, no, no, no, no. Now YOU, RJ, are trying to switch the meaning of the Golden Rule. Vader uses Force Choke on screen. Period. He can use it in this match during a fight. If you can't debate any further and follow rules, then you need to concede. The MVF Golden Rule is not on trial here. Period.Thats just as silly as saying that the Predator can use his suit for camo, but only when he is sitting completely still and not during a fight.
Of course Vader can use force choke in a fight, durh.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Watch and learn, people:1:45, Harry gets pissed and tells her to shut up.
1:47, the lights dim and wind blows.
1:54, the enlargement process begins. Marge swells up, he clothes stretch (No, DDM, they do NOT get bigger), and she floats away. By 1:58, her head is swelling.
13 seconds, that's all it takes for Vaders head to be crushed inside his helmet.
Now lets watch Vader in action:
Admiral Ozzel. :06, force choke begins. :25, Ozzel dies. 19 seconds.
Padme. at 2:41 Vader begins force choke. At 2:53 Padme goes down.
And she wasn't dead. 😄
Any more questions?
So, what was the point of that? We already know that Vader can choke. We already knwo that Potter inflated a woman. We already know that Padme didn't die.
Originally posted by ImpedimentLet me guess, Vader is still as effective when his head explodes like this?
Let me guess:Harry can still cast spells while being bludgeoned and slung around the room?
Originally posted by ImpedimentJust showing that it took in seven seconds, Vaders head will be swelling inside his helmet, then.....well, see my previous post.
So, what was the point of that? We already know that Vader can choke. We already knwo that Potter inflated a woman. We already know that Padme didn't die.
Vaders head goes boom, Force choke stops, Harry is fine.
No debating that.
Originally posted by Impediment
Vader would do to Harry with the Force what Freddy did to Jason is FvJ.At 1:20, specifically.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Let me guess, Vader is still as effective when his head explodes like this?
Answering a question with a question are last resorts of the defeated. Harry wont have a chance to cast a spell when he is being turned into a human pinball.