He learned it when he did it. Same way Vader learned Force choke when he did it on Padme. Once a spell caster/force user learns a certain attack/spell/force power, it's not like they forget it afterward.
Also, think about this. Harry, upon reading the diary of the Half Blood Prince, read about sectumsempra. Then, while dueling Draco, he executed the spell flawlessly. He read about it, then he did it. So realistically, any spell Harry has seen, heard, or read about, he can do. Imperio, Reducto, any spell he was never shown using but SAW or was taught, he can use.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He learned it when he did it. Same way Vader learned Force choke when he did it on Padme. Once a spell caster/force user learns a certain attack/spell/force power, it's not like they forget it afterward.Also, think about this. Harry, upon reading the diary of the Half Blood Prince, read about sectumsempra. Then, while dueling Draco, he executed the spell flawlessly. He read about it, then he did it. So realistically, any spell Harry has seen, heard, or read about, he can do. Imperio, Reducto, any spell he was never shown using but SAW or was taught, he can use.
You really don't know anything about H magic or the Force, do you? 😬
No, Vader learnt Tk-force powers and then twisted them into Force Choke. Its not some special ritual he has to perform, its like me wrapping my hands around your neck and squeezing. Easy and intuitive. Harry had no idea what he was doing and by his at the effects probably didn't even know he was doing anything. Plus HP magic can't be controlled unless you learn specifically how too. Difficult and unintuitive.
Once does maketh a rule.
edit: And yeah, He needs to be able to see him to attack him. Vader with his extra senses does not.
edit2: Screw Force Choke. Vader can snap Potter like a twig, he doesn't need to choke him or anything.
Originally posted by Nephthyshaermm When talked into a corner, THIS is your reply? Lame.
You really don't know anything about H magic or the Force, do you? 😬No, Vader learnt Tk-force powers and then twisted them into Force Choke. Its not some special ritual he has to perform, its like me wrapping my hands around your neck and squeezing. Easy and intuitive. Harry had no idea what he was doing and by his at the effects probably didn't even know he was doing anything. Plus HP magic can't be controlled unless you learn specifically how too. Difficult and unintuitive.
Once does maketh a rule.
edit: And yeah, He needs to be able to see him to attack him. Vader with his extra senses does not.
edit2: Screw Force Choke. Vader can snap Potter like a twig, he doesn't need to choke him or anything.
You are now taking a power Harry has and twisting it around to suit your own purpose. Fail
Engorgio= Win. Deal with it. He did it, it's a screen fate. Speculate away about it, won't help your cause.
Vader was ever shown "snapping someone like a twig." Stop making up screen feats.
BTW: He was taught Engorgio by mad Eye Moody. Boom, bong, whoomp there it is.
Once Engorgio is cast, Vader will:
A: Swell up and float away.
B: His armor will give way, exposing him to the outside world.
C: His armor will hold and his head will be crushed inside his helmet.
Again, choose his destiny.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really now? Vader can block magical spells with his saber or the Force? Prove it. I can just as easily say that Harry can block force attacks with his wand, or with a shield charm. I cannot prove it, so I do not claim it.
I am going on record here and saying that a wand can nullify all but the most powerful and fastest force pushes. The user, however, has to react fast enough to nullify it. Most to all of wizards won't be fast enough to block a force push/pull/ etc. They simply lack the force reflexes required to do so.
I'll also say that a shield charm that blocks physical attacks, will completely block the shockwave of a force push. It won't, however, prevent the person from force pushing the shit inside of the shield charms. The force is not magic and magic isn't the force.
Also....Potter on Felix Felicis potion would rape Vader. 😬
^ Agreed with everything but the Felix part. I'd need to think about that.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm When talked into a corner, THIS is your reply? Lame.You are now taking a power Harry has and twisting it around to suit your own purpose. Fail
Engorgio= Win. Deal with it. He did it, it's a screen fate. Speculate away about it, won't help your cause.
Vader was ever shown "snapping someone like a twig." Stop making up screen feats.
BTW: He was taught Engorgio by mad Eye Moody. Boom, bong, whoomp there it is.
Once Engorgio is cast, Vader will:
A: Swell up and float away.
B: His armor will give way, exposing him to the outside world.
C: His armor will hold and his head will be crushed inside his helmet.
Again, choose his destiny.
Your arrogance and blindness are astounding. Everyone else in the thread disagrees with you and its me in the corner? Lol, no.
No I'm not, you are taking a power Harry has, wandless magic that he can't control, and twisting it to your own purpose by saying that he somehow can control it. The very definition of Fail.
Vader has crushed steel. Steel>Human. Boom.
No he wasn't. Moody performed it in front of him, not taught him it. Jesus, do you know anything about Harry Potter?
Potter won't be able to cast it, becuase he will be wandless or just plain dead in no time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
^ Agreed with everything but the Felix part. I'd need to think about that.Your arrogance and blindness are astounding. Everyone else in the thread disagrees with you and its me in the corner? Lol, no.
No I'm not, [b]you
are taking a power Harry has, wandless magic that he can't control, and twisting it to your own purpose by saying that he somehow can control it. The very definition of Fail.Vader has crushed steel. Steel>Human. Boom.
No he wasn't. Moody performed it in front of him, not taught him it. Jesus, do you know anything about Harry Potter?
Potter won't be able to cast it, becuase he will be wandless or just plain dead in no time. [/B]
Cool. 👆
When I get a chance, I'll explain why potter would rape with that potion.
Also...calm down a bit: don't wanna get banned or even warned over this debate, right? It wouldn't be worth it. I was banned over a silly debate in this very forum for stuff just like that. 🙁
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Force choke doesn't kill in ten seconds, dude. Takes at least 20 seconds. Harry can have his way with Vader in half that time.Try again.
Fail post of the year.
This is how it goes:
*cough**spit**vomit**gag**gurgle* Avad--*gurgle**cough*ava----
*vomit**blood*
Force steal the stick, just like Vader did with Han's blaster at Cloud City.
(Bloody Hell! Maybe if I concentrate enough, I can inflate this rogue like a sodding balloon!) *spit*cough*gag*
Asphyxiation. Unconsciousness. Death.
You're now resorting to Sith inflation as your ace in the hole since your other claims to victory were shot down like an X-Wing at the Battle of Yavin. Sad.
You still haven't answered my question, RJ:
While Vader is in "balloon form", even if it were to happen, you're saying Vader couldn't force choke? Or even Force snap the neck? Hell, use the Force to "steer himself".
I can guarantee that Vader will panic far less than Harry.
Originally posted by Nephthys
^ Agreed with everything but the Felix part. I'd need to think about that.Your arrogance and blindness are astounding. Everyone else in the thread disagrees with you and its me in the corner? Lol, no.
No I'm not, [b]you
are taking a power Harry has, wandless magic that he can't control, and twisting it to your own purpose by saying that he somehow can control it. The very definition of Fail.Vader has crushed steel. Steel>Human. Boom.
No he wasn't. Moody performed it in front of him, not taught him it. Jesus, do you know anything about Harry Potter?
Potter won't be able to cast it, becuase he will be wandless or just plain dead in no time. [/B]
Mhm, Vader has no defense against Engorgio, yet you persist. Start in the corner of the room and paint your way towards the door next time.
Can't control it? Irrelevant, that in fact makes it even more deadly. He can do it, he did it on screen, case closed.
And why didn't Vader use this steel crushing attack more than once? Because at the time he was heartbroken over the loss of Padme. If this attack was so easily executed, why did he not use it against Kenobi?
Like I said, Harry read about sectumsempra, then executed it flawlessly. If he witnesses a teacher doing a spell, it's the same thing. Wave the wand, utter the incantation, done deal. What's the difference between reading something and witnessing it being done? None. 😄
Originally posted by ImpedimentWhen, oh when, did someone ever vomit blood when being force choked? Hmm?
Fail post of the year.This is how it goes:
*cough**spit**vomit**gag**gurgle* Avad--*gurgle**cough*ava----
*vomit**blood*Force steal the stick, just like Vader did with Han's blaster at Cloud City.
(Bloody Hell! Maybe if I concentrate enough, I can inflate this rogue like a sodding balloon!) *spit*cough*gag*
Asphyxiation. Unconsciousness. Death.
You're now resorting to Sith inflation as your ace in the hole since your other claims to victory were shot down like an X-Wing at the Battle of Yavin. Sad.
You still haven't answered my question, RJ:
While Vader is in "balloon form", even if it were to happen, you're saying Vader couldn't force choke? Or even Force snap the neck? Hell, use the Force to "steer himself".I can guarantee that Vader will panic far less than Harry.
To answer your question.....wait, I already did:
Once Engorgio is cast, Vader will:
A: Swell up and float away.
B: His armor will give way, exposing him to the outside world.
C: His armor will hold and his head will be crushed inside his helmet.
Vader is never shown force snapping the neck, stop making up screen feats.
Vader was never shown killing someone instantly with force choke, stop making up screen feats.
What's happening here is now that I have proven without a doubt that Engorgio pwns Vader, you guys are trying to somehow nullify this Potter screen feat. A last ditch effort to ensure a Vader win, and a fail one.
Can't take it away, kids. He did it. It stands.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
When, oh when, did someone ever vomit blood when being force choked? Hmm?To answer your question.....wait, I already did:
Once Engorgio is cast, Vader will:
A: Swell up and float away.
B: His armor will give way, exposing him to the outside world.
C: His armor will hold and his head will be crushed inside his helmet.
Vader is never shown force snapping the neck, stop making up screen feats.
Vader was never shown killing someone instantly with force choke, stop making up screen feats.
After reading my post, you're concerned about the plausibility of blood spitting? Wow.
You are still dodging my question. I didn't ask for a description of Vader in balloon form, nor the physics of said condition. Why would Vader not be able to use the Force while in hypothetical balloon form swelling up and floating away? Or, let me guess: Harry won't die instantly from Force Choke, but Vader dies instantly, giving you claim to victory? Nice.
Fine. Vader never "snapped" anyone's neck with the Force. Happy?
Every person seen on screen in the OT being choked by Vader was unable to talk and merely gurgled for air. You're telling me that Harry won't do the same? Wow.
You're one to talk about last ditch efforts and refusal to accept.
What's happening here is now that I have proven without a doubt that the Force kills Harry, you are trying to somehow nullify this Star Wars screen feat. A last ditch effort to ensure a Potter win, and a fail one.
Originally posted by Impediment
After reading my post, you're concerned about the plausibility of blood spitting? Wow.You are still dodging my question. I didn't ask for a description of Vader in balloon form, nor the physics of said condition. Why would Vader not be able to use the Force while in hypothetical balloon form swelling up and floating away? Or, let me guess: Harry won't die instantly from Force Choke, but Vader dies instantly, giving you claim to victory? Nice.
Fine. Vader never "snapped" anyone's neck with the Force. Happy?
Every person seen on screen in the OT being choked by Vader was unable to talk and merely gurgled for air. You're telling me that Harry won't do the same? Wow.
I am merely quoting force choke as we saw it onscreen, you, on the other hand, are saying that it does something it was never shown doing. Altering screen feats.
Yeah, he can still use the force, but if his armor gives way, or his head is crushed in his helmet, he's ****ed. One of the two WILL happen, dude. Pick one.
Vader takes about twenty seconds to force choke someone into blackness. More than enough time for Harry to cast Engorgio and **** Vader out of his armor. Vader cannot breathe outside his suit, dude, and if his head is being crushed inside his helmet, the battle is over.
It's quite simple, babe.
Engorgio, huh?
Since when did Harry ever use that in a battle/fight? I mean...ever? Since when has Harry shown the ability actually control it?
As fact, it took quite a while for Harry to get pissed enough to randomly do some magic that LOOKED similar to engorgio. It is NOT engorgio, BTW, it is some other random magic that doesn't have a name. If Harry were to cast engorgio in the manner that you want him to, RJ, then Vader's whole body, suit included, would get larger. This incorrectly assumes that Harry would even get the spell off.
Also, who's to say that it wouldn't just make Vader's suite bigger while Vader stayed the same? The only time I remember it being used in the books is on the spider and POSSIBLY on some pumpkins by Hagrid. Both items were "naked".
So, not only do you want Vader to get bigger, you don't realize that it's not the same spell that caused fatass to balloon up and float.
I'll bring this up again: how much of Vader is actually NOT under armor?
Why would Vader, who can react to blaster bolts with just his bare hands, just stand around and get hit by ANY of those slow moving spells? That's really confusing, for me.