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Nothing but pawns? Aside from creating their own empires lol.

The only thing suggesting they were pawns is the historian chap from the holovids. And its not like he has all teh facts.

Bioware also tried to establish than revan was taller than malak when the exact opposite was already established. It's a wonder anybody takes them seriously.

Neph
Actually nothing suggests that Revan was really his pawn at all.

Neph
The only thing suggesting they were pawns is the historian chap from the holovids.

Neph
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Not sure Gideon understands what a pawn is.

Nothing credible suggests it, pardon my french.

Sorry, was updating my profile to include that gem.

DS
Not sure Gideon understands what a pawn is.

Merriam-Webster
one that can be used to further the purposes of another

Nephthys
Nothing credible suggests it, pardon my french.

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That Revan betrayed the Emperor and attempted to stop him upon regaining his memories and changing his allegiance doesn't preclude the idea that he was a pawn of the Emperor.

Spoiler:
Though you have no idea how hilariously ironic it is to see you argue against the credibility of a Jedi historian. 😂

Is there anything to suggest he was however?

He isn't credible because he can't possibly have evidence about it. Nor can he know Revans intentions and ultimate goals.

Nephthys
Is there anything to suggest he was however?

Anything to suggest who was what? Are we talking about Revan or Dural here?

I would assume Kreia would be a more credible source in these matters as she actually knows Revan.

However, Revan was already a Dark Jedi before the Emperor just "sithized" him. Then he and Malak turned on the Emperor planning to create their own Empire. And, as Revan's action seem to indicate, he was preparing the galaxy to wage war against the True Sith Empire.

That he was his pawn.

Nephthys
That he was his pawn.

No, not unless you count the facts that (a.) the Emperor converted Revan to the dark side, (b.) sent him back to the galaxy proper on a specific mission to further his agenda, (c.) used him to power this Ravager device?

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Sorry, was updating my profile to include that gem.

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That Revan betrayed the Emperor and attempted to stop him upon regaining his memories and changing his allegiance doesn't preclude the idea that he was a pawn of the Emperor.

Spoiler:
Though you have no idea how hilariously ironic it is to see you argue against the credibility of a Jedi historian. 😂

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
[B]No, not unless you count the facts that (a.) the Emperor converted Revan to the dark side,

He didn't.

(b.) sent him back to the galaxy proper on a specific mission to further his agenda,

Which he didn't do.

Also, prove the emperor converted Revan and that he wasn't already tainted, as canon sources suggest.

ares834
I would assume Kreia would be a more credible source in these matters as she actually knows Revan.

I'm not speaking of Revan's conversion, I'm speaking of their respective credibility in general. Neph has defended Kreia's breadth of knowledge to the extent that the idea that Ulic Qel-Droma knows something she doesn't angered him severely; and while I'm certain the fact that Kreia is, by his own admission, his favorite character has absolutely nothing to do with this, one wonders why Gnost Dural is incredible in this regard. mmm

Though the fact that she knows Revan could very well be used as an argument against her credibility. "Heart of the Force" indeed.

ares834
However, Revan was already a Dark Jedi before the Emperor just "sithized" him.

Ah, so Revan's allegiance was to the dark side and he was not merely a renegade Jedi? There is a fundamental difference.

ares834
Then he and Malak turned on the Emperor planning to create their own Empire. And, as Revan's action seem to indicate, he was preparing the galaxy to wage war against the True Sith Empire.

So because Vader turned on Palpatine, he wasn't a pawn of the Emperor's? What about Dooku, since he desired to do the same?

Creating your own empire disqualifies you from being a pawn the minute you succeed.

DS
Creating your own empire disqualifies you from being a pawn the minute you succeed.

Creating your own empire doesn't retroactively change the past, DS, nor does it change the future, in which Revan is imprisoned and used to fuel the Emperor's devices, going mad in the process.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Creating your own empire doesn't retroactively change the past, DS, nor does it change the future, in which Revan is imprisoned and used to fuel the Emperor's devices, going mad in the process.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I'm not speaking of Revan's conversion, I'm speaking of their respective credibility in general. Neph has defended Kreia's breadth of knowledge to the extent that the idea that Ulic Qel-Droma knows something she doesn't angered him severely; and while I'm certain the fact that Kreia is, by his own admission, his favorite character has absolutely nothing to do with this, one wonders why Gnost Dural is incredible in this regard. mmm

I argued this because Kreia was actually a Jedi Historian at the time when Ulic shared this knowledge with the Jedi order. Dural is talking about something that happened hundreds of years ago outside of Republic space. Theres no way for him to have any strong evidence for his claim, nor any way for him to be sure of Revans alliegences, especially given that his version of events contradict Revans own actions and words.