Originally posted by Nephthys
Quick! Everyone join the Swtor site and we can b*tch in a whole new thread!
I already have an account there, but the forums are so active it's easy to lose your place in line.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think any of us have said or supported this assertion. At all.We're saying that as a lightsaber form, Makashi is designed for parries and glancing blocks rather than direct competition. This is obvious. Makashi is reminicent of fencing and Djem So is reminicent of someone with a battleaxe. A fencer would never try to block someone trained to use a battleaxe in a direct competition of strength. The person with the battleaxe has trained to utilise their strength and speed to bully their way through an opponents guard with powerful strikes while a fencer has trained to get around their opponents guard with precision and skill. Of course Makashi has a counter to Djem So and of course Djem So doesn't automatically defeat Makashi. The two styles have different strengths and weaknesses and differ in how they're typically implimented. But a Makashi user will not typically be able to match a Djem So user in raw kinetic power, just as a Djem So will not match a Makashi in grace. Thats all we're, or I'm at least, saying.
That's a valid interpretation, and I can understand that. I don't think the comparison is entirely accurate given the nature of the weapon and the fact that "fencing" can be something like longsword fencing or competitive foil fencing (Neither of which are very similar) while an axe is less versatile, though. True, a "fencer" (competitive fencer) wouldn't make a style built around warding off heavy blows directly, but to think that a duelist' form would be complete without behaviors to counter brute strength seems very foolish.
That doesn't state Makashi beats Djem So simply because it's a refined form. No, it means that a four plus thousand year old duelist form would be incredibly static if it failed to address the strength problem, which has been around since one ape could slap another.
There's also the point that the general argument around here is that Djem So's strong kinetic energy won the fight, which is blatantly contradicted in the clip I provided and nonsensical when you consider that duelists who are unable to cope with a strength disparity tend to end up dead and not able to pass on their art.
That's my perspective.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, tell me about it. The thread is 22 pages. I'm about half-way through and suddenly Drew himself leaps in to defend the book.I'm like 'Woah, what?!'
I don't feel comfortable with bashing the book if the person who wrote it could read what I'm saying. Thats just rude.
His post on his website does make a bit of sense though. Anything out of context can give the wrong impression.
Some of my favorite posts.
Professor Walsh pointed out the holy script to answer this thread. Several of you act like 'she deserves better, he deserves better, it needed to be more epic.' No, it did not. It's done for effect. It's grim, it causes dismay and to give you that sinking feeling when you realise someone who was once a champion, very powerful and a hero, is killed so quickly. If you can't appreciate something like this, then you shouldn't be calling yourself fans of literature, you are just game fans who have read a few books.
Retcons are to be expected with this franchise. That author has to make a living and is not going to spend weeks figuring out how to properly blend prior stories into his, but rather use them to serve his story easiest. Just don't get too immersed in SW, as soon as you start reading fanfic or discuss characters on forums, you've gone too far.
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It gets better when someone points out to him that Avellone himself confirms shes a wound and then he whines for like 5 pages and starts pulling apart other plot points.
'You sure about that? I could have sworn there were at least a couple, that were never proven one way or the other. At least they made a lot more sense than some of what the Jedi masters said. I mean, how do we reconcile her strength returning via feeding on death, when it returns without her killing anything? That makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, is there something about that that I am missing?'
Yes! For some who says they've played Kotor 2 thousands of times you sure seem to know jack shit about the story. Now go away!
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'I'll end by saying this: I love the Exile. She's the best thing in the EU, bar none. Her story is the crown jewel of Star Wars achievements. I love KOTOR II. Avellone's writing makes anything BioWare's done look like a joke by comparison, especially Karpyshyn.'
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'And the fact that the Exile is killed, not in an epic struggle against hordes of enemies or at the hands of the nigh-all powerful Emperor....doesn't bother me. At all. Nor does the fact that Revan fails just as easily.'
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Originally posted by Who the Hell Cares.
Because she pushes her anti-Jedi agenda too far and doesn't present it as an opinion of one character but as the popular opinion of every character. She basically hates Jedi and thus tries to paint them as a villain in each and every novel.I didn't mind this too much in the clone series, though again I felt it was completely out of character for a number of people, however when she wrote in Legacy of the Force and had Luke friggin' Skywalker admiring the mandos and also the gravest insult of all...
Luke Skywalker... Grand Master Luke Skywalker... Grand Master Luke Skywalker that has killed a Sith Lord (Sidious) in single one on one lightsaber combat... Who was an apprentice to a Sith Lord...
Did not know the difference between a Jedi and a Sith.
She actually had him say that Sith and Dark Jedi were the same, had the same abilities, and there were no differences between them.
I think about that moment a loud thud sounded across my apartment as my novel slammed into the wall.
oh jesus christ tell me its not true
(3 guesses who they're talking about)
Originally posted by Lucius
Both use the dark side and are ethically challenged. They do the same things; kill Jedi and generally act like evil dicks. There is no appreciable difference except that one likes to pretend it has organization.
The Sith have a distinct history and later were influenced by the actual Sith species. Dark Jedi is a generic title to just any old Jedi who embraces the Dark Side, faction alliance or no.