Is anyone interested in Star Wars the Old Republic?

Originally posted by Nephthys
So are soldiers and mercenaries the same thing?

This is . . . a false analogy. The semantic relationship between soldiers and mercenaries (a difference in who one works for) is not in any way analogous to a Dark Jedi vs a Sith. Especially since mercenaries work for companies/organizations. Your hatred for Traviss, inspired by your sheeplike nature in simply following the trend, has caused you to attack a perfectly reasonable point. The differences between a Sith and a Dark Jedi are immaterial. Dooku can brag to Ventress about fear all he damn well pleases; he's still scared of Palpatine and both he and Ventress are still dark side wielding prickholes.

I have yet to see an instance where a Dark Jedi came up with a philosophy that could be differentiated from the usual KILL THE WEAK/MOAR POWAH routine that inevitably describes every single corrupted Force user in the mythos, their original intentions notwithstanding. Synthetic differences are ultimately irrelevant when they all do the same thing.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The Sith have a distinct history and later were influenced by the actual Sith species. Dark Jedi is a generic title to just any old Jedi who embraces the Dark Side, faction alliance or no.

See above.

Originally posted by Lucius
[B]This is . . . a false analogy. The semantic relationship between soldiers and mercenaries (a difference in who one works for) is not in any way analogous to a Dark Jedi vs a Sith. Especially since mercenaries work for companies/organizations.

It's a perfect analogy, due to the reason you listed. You can not be a Sith if you do not belong to the Sith organization. Sith is an organization, with rules and guidelines. Its rules might be petty or generally irrelevent to you, but it has rules none the less, ergo if you break them then you are no longer apart of the organization.

Hence, a Dark Jedi is a darkside using force user who is not apart of the Sith organization, and does not follow its rules. The differences might end there, but it's still a categorical difference.

Not that its differences do end there. Not all Dark Jedi aim to destroy the Jedi, and not all dark Jedi are intent on ruling the Galaxy, whereas overthrowing the Jedi and taking over the Galaxy are the main principles of the Sith. You can not be a Sith, if those two goals aren't your primary objective above all else.

I see the merits in what both sides are attempting to argue {likely due to the unparalleled vastness of my brilliance and sex appeal}.

There is only a single difference to me between run-of-the-mill dark Jedisiders and Sith: Recognition by a previously established Sith Lord and/or Sith training by a previously established Sith Lord.

Originally posted by Lucius
This is . . . a false analogy. The semantic relationship between soldiers and mercenaries (a difference in who one works for) is not in any way analogous to a Dark Jedi vs a Sith. Especially since mercenaries work for companies/organizations.

Uh... I think Blax said everything there is to say. Sith actually follow a code and a creed. They're an actual religion (cult?). Dark Jedi are just guys who use the darkside.

My analogy was that you said that they're the same because they're 'Both use the dark side and are ethically challenged. They do the same things; kill Jedi and generally act like evil dicks.' Superficially you're kind of right, in the same way that superficially soldiers and mercs both carry guns and kill people. But they're not the same thing. Soldiers fight for a cause. Mercs for money. (insert Carth vs Canderous EPIC DEBATE!)

Originally posted by Lucius
Your hatred for Traviss, inspired by your sheeplike nature in simply following the trend, has caused you to attack a perfectly reasonable point.

First, I'd argue {semantically} that money is a cause. And a damn good one. sneer

Second, Sith routinely remodel or disregard their "codes and creeds." {Bane, Krayt, Millennial, anyone?}

Third, the only thing that separates a Sith from a dark Jedisider is recognition from a previously established Sith Lawd.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
First, I'd argue {semantically} that money is a cause. And a damn good one. sneer

Second, Sith routinely remodel or disregard their "codes and creeds." {Bane, Krayt, Millennial, anyone?}

Third, the only thing that separates a Sith from a dark Jedisider is recognition from a previously established Sith Lawd.

Thats more of a job imo. But eh, semantics can eat a dick anyway.

Just like with every philosophy and/or religion, elements evolve and practices change.

Nah. As ever, I'm with Kreia on this one. The Sith is a belief.

Neph
Thats more of a job imo. But eh, semantics can eat a dick anyway.

{Both mercenaries and soldiers tend to get paid.}

Neph
Just like with every philosophy and/or religion, elements evolve and practices change.

Then what central precepts do Sith follow that determines one's Sithness?

Contrary to what my Blaxican friend insinuates, I don't see where galactic conquest, mass murder, and tyranny are etched in the proverbial Sith stone.

Neph
Nah. As ever, I'm with Kreia on this one. The Sith is a belief.

There are plenty of dark siders who believed themselves to be Sith and yet were not regarded, canonically, as among their number.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
{Both mercenaries and soldiers tend to get paid.}

Then what central precepts do Sith follow that determines one's Sithness?

Contrary to what my Blaxican friend insinuates, I don't see where galactic conquest, mass murder, and tyranny are etched in the proverbial Sith stone.

There are plenty of dark siders who believed themselves to be Sith and yet were not regarded, canonically, as among their number.

How about you drink a tall, frosty glass of who gives a fvck?

Following the Sith Code, reading Sith philosophies and studying the Sith beliefs, arts and teachings imo.

Not that kind of belief you nimrod. That doesn't work unless you're Caedus and believing you're a Sith gives you superpowers.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Then what central precepts do Sith follow that determines one's Sithness?

Contrary to what my Blaxican friend insinuates, I don't see where galactic conquest, mass murder, and tyranny are etched in the proverbial Sith stone.

There are plenty of dark siders who believed themselves to be Sith and yet were not regarded, canonically, as among their number. [/B]

I'm not sure what the relevence of this is. There are 7.5 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the world, roughly 60,000 of whom get kicked out of the organization yearly due to possessing idealogies that are contradictory to the established idealogy. Just because 60,000 of them have a different viewpoint, doesn't mean that JW's don't have an established set of rules. Similarly, just because there are a multitude of Sith who don't follow the "Destroy all the Jedi, take over the Galaxy" mindset, that doesn't mean that those haven't always been the primary goals of the Sith Organization.

In fact, as I'm sure you've noticed, every Sith who has ever been declared DlotS by his predeccesors has had that mindset.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I'm not sure what the relevence of this is. There are 7.5 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the world, roughly 60,000 of whom get kicked out of the organization yearly due to possessing idealogies that are contradictory to the established idealogy. Just because 60,000 of them have a different viewpoint, doesn't mean that JW's don't have an established set of rules. Similarly, just because there are a multitude of Sith who don't follow the "Destroy all the Jedi, take over the Galaxy" mindset, that doesn't mean that those haven't always been the primary goals of the Sith Organization.

In fact, as I'm sure you've noticed, every Sith who has ever been declared DlotS by his predeccesors has had that mindset.

Speaking of Jehovah's Witnesses, them people know their bible inside and out. Their comprehension of the bible is outstanding.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Speaking of Jehovah's Witnesses, them people know their bible inside and out. Their comprehension of the bible is outstanding.

SUBMIT!

Commando Abilities List. Study it well, one day you will face one in battle and knowledge, strategically applied, is power.

Scoundral Abilities.

Imperial Agent Issues.

Edit: Lol, no-ones actually asking the dude about Imperial Agent related stuff. How the **** is he going to know how well Troopers tank you gibbering retards?

Q: One of the main reason I want to play the IA at launch is because I feel the story line will be one of the most interesting. Is this the case? Are there a lot of chances to back-stab, lie, be deceptive etc?

A: YES YES YES. Very fun storyline, and Chapter 2… Chapter 2 is just amazing.

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Edit: Healing seems really bad for Agents from what he's saying. I guess it'd be cool to have a few heals just for yourself but from what he's saying an Agent Medic isn't too great. But he hasn't spec'ed as it so who knows.

Playing healing/support classes isn't fun anyways. Too much micromanaging, not enough killing.

Well some people like it. 'bout half the questions are about healing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, tell me about it. The thread is 22 pages. I'm about half-way through and suddenly Drew himself leaps in to defend the book.

I'm like 'Woah, what?!'

I don't feel comfortable with bashing the book if the person who wrote it could read what I'm saying. Thats just rude.

Wait, Drew is a poster on a forum? LOL wtf!

That's just sad if as an author you have to go into the forums and spend pages upon pages trying to defend your book.

Also, this is from his website:

"I’m happy to say the pro-Drew side outnumbers the go f@#$ myself side by roughly 10 to 1."

For some reason, I feel this is a BS exaggeration.

Drew wrote a substandard book and faced some criticism after some leaks about his work. Now he is feeling insecure. What a looser.

I somehow guessed in the begining that Revan's novel will be poorly written and the reputation of this legendary character will be in jeopardy. If Drew proves me wrong with his work, I will be amazed.

INFO DUMP!

New Character Creation screen.

Beta Impressions (3 reviews).

The first one seems to sorta match up with what Beefington was saying with the world design being fantastic and some other elements being mediocre, but ultimately its a good game. A positive and optimistic review.

The second one flat-out saying its as good as WoW from a WoW-fanboy is very promising, as I have heard that WoW is very well made and the guy says its his favourite game.

The third is cool. Not much else to say.

RANDOM SCREENSHOTS!

Racial Traits.

Interesting. I'd heard there weren't any. The two best races are obviously Twileks for their sweet dance moves bro! and Cyborg for robot eye-scanning abilities. Sooooooo cooooooooool!

Negative Review.

$10 bet its from Beefy.

Edit: The guys just a pissy PvP fanboy whos pissed the game isn't 'Xcore' enough for him. Meeeeeeeh!

Interesting. The last guy's complaint is valid, imo, and people who are interested in pvp should prolly look at it.

It's been obvious from day 1 that TOR is designed to appeal to only one of two types of people: star wars fans who are deeply interested in the lore, and children. There is no middle ground.

So in that sense, you're literally wasting your money if you're going into the game with the intention of raping some nigga's asses with your guildmates. Guild Wars or WoW would be a better option for that; not nescesarilly a bad thing, different strokes for different folks and all that.