Originally posted by Lestov16
I've been reading, and (once again, just stating my opinion), and I've been finding some troubling issues, mainly the usage of the death Star. Was the Death Star utilizing some kind of Force energy? IIRC it wasn't. Thus I don't think such a weapon should have any place in whatsoever in this fight
A) It is standard Palpatine (whom is a force user) equipment.
I dont gimp away wands, castles or brooms, so leave the Death Star alone!
B) It was built at the behest of a man who had to utilise force foresight to complete his 25 odd year plan to conquer the galaxy with one.
C) Dont worry anyway, 'cause according to Vader, the Emperor's toy's ability to destroy a planet palied into insignificance when compared to power of the force.
D) The wizards were all murdered in this thread ages ago, yet RJ continues to ignore this.
IE Wizards with and without the death star are were doomed.🙂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girthhaermm You need to give up, son. HP magic has vastly superior screen feats than the Force. This is fact and cannot be contested.
A) It is standard Palpatine (whom is a force user) equipment.
I dont gimp away wands, castles or brooms, so leave the Death Star alone!B) It was built at the behest of a man who had to utilise force foresight to complete his 25 odd year plan to conquer the galaxy with one.
C) Dont worry anyway, 'cause according to Vader, the Emperor's toy's ability to destroy a planet palied into insignificance when compared to power of the force.
D) The wizards were all murdered in this thread ages ago, yet RJ continues to ignore this.
IE Wizards with and without the death star are were doomed.🙂
Read what lestov said about Force users never being able to reach their full potential, he's dead on accurate.
All you have now is "The wizards were all murdered in this thread ages ago, yet RJ continues to ignore this." It's sad.
NOW you are trying to bring Death Stars and star destroyers int the mix. NOT-GONNA HAPPEN. MY thread, MY conditions. This is Magic versus the Force, and technology are neither. This is Jedi vs Wizard, on neutral ground, with even numbers.
Got a problem with that? pm Impediment.
Re: Harry Potter Magic versus the Force (Army thread).....
Originally posted by Rogue JediSee? No Death Star.
Two teams:Magic team:
Voldemort and the four Death Eaters from OOTP
Dumbledore
Bellatrix Lestrange
Sirius Black
Mad Eye Moody
Remus Lupin
Nymphadora Tonks
Kingsley Shacklebolt
Harry Potter
Hermione Granger
Fenrir Greyback
Filius Flitwick
Severus Snape
Minerva McGonagall
Ginny Weasley
Lucuis MalfoyForce team:
Darth Sidious
Darth Vader (ROTS to ROTJ)
Yoda
Mace Windu
Luke Skywalker (ROTJ)
Darth Maul
Qui Gon Jinn
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Ki Adi Mundi
Aayla Secura
Plo Koon
Saesee Tinn
Sio Bibble
Depe Billaba
Eeth Koth
Count Dooku
Yaddle
Yarael Poof
Shaak Ti
Kit Fisto20 Elite HP wizards versus 20 Elite SW Sith/Jedi.
They engage in an all out battle to the death. The battle takes place in Manhattan prison (Escape from NY), at night. Most of the prisoners are watching.
The wizards know what the force users can do, and the Jedi know what the wizards can do. Each side has 30 minutes prep time. There is no felix felicis potion around. Harry has his invisibility cloak. The wizards who cannot apparate alone have firebolts that they can accio when they wish.
EACH COMBATANT CAN USE ONLY WHAT POWERS THEY ARE SHOWN USING IN THEIR MOVIES. However, if one of the Jedi, for example, were never shown using force push/pull onscreen, they can still use it, because durh it is a basic Jedi power. On the other hand, if one of the wizards is never shown using a simple wizard spell (Protego, for example) they can use it, because again, durh, it is a basic wizard power. the Jedi/Sith/Wizard would not be where they are if they didn't know these simple powers.
Morals are turned off here. It is kill or be killed.
Deal with it, babe.
See? no wands, wizards or castles either... 😛 Pwned.
Also, Manhattan prison would likely be very easy to pull down on the wiz-ahhhhhhhhhhh.
...I see they already did that. 🙄
"Kill or be killed/morals off" implies a Palpatine who would stop at nothing... So force crushing theprison on top of the wizards, killing them, and Death Starring the area just to make sure FTW then. 🙂
Man you musta been so pissed when you screamed at the end of this vid: YouTube video
🙂
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthWands are standard wizard gear.
See? no wands, wizards or castles either... 😛 Pwned.
Castles?
Also, Manhattan prison would likely be very easy to pull down on the wiz-ahhhhhhhhhhh.Jedi never pulled down buildings in the movies. ❌...I see they already did that. 🙄
Besides, apparition.
"Kill or be killed/morals off" implies a Palpatine who would stop at nothing... So force crushing theprison on top of the wizards, killing them, and Death Starring the area just to make sure FTW then. 🙂Nah, no Death star. Accept it.
Man you musta been so pissed when you screamed at the end of this vid: YouTube videoI kinda already know the ending.🙂
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthThe wizards are outside. 🙄 And they can apparate far in advance of any walls coming down on them.
Well the Sith do, they pull down ceilings.Lots of force users, in a moralsless situation would use the darkside powers anyway, and all of them pulling on the supporting ceilings and walls would work fine.
Originally posted by Rogue JediSo to you, the only way Vader can use a certain attack, is if the exact same situation occurs? Yeah, right. I think I'll stick with the "No morals, kill or be killed" thank you.
If Vader goes into Force crush (I am assuming the NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO feat, then he's ****ed. Fiendfyre will get him or he will be death spelled.Besides, Vader was incredibly distraught when he did that over Padme's "death." He isn't that way here.
Besides, that's not the definition of Force Crush. It can be applied with hands to a single target by any Jedi capable of advanced TK (which most people on that list are). In a do or die situation, pretty much every Master on that list can and will be performing a Force Crush or will be liquidating people's bones and organs with Force Push, or will be telekinetically tossing people around.
In Sidious and Dooku's case, they'll be zapping these normal humans with Force Lightning. If Palpatine's torture-level use on Lightning of Skywalker is any indication, that stuff can measure at least as painful as a proper Cruciatus. And how many people have cast spells or apparated away when that happened to them?
Add the omnipresent factor of super-human reflexes that allow them to block blaster bolts and, in Kenobi's case, 23 strikes-per second from General Grievous, as well as Force Speed (a technique that Padawan Kenobi is shown using in Ep. I), as well as the ability to sense lifeforms, and you get a pile of dead wizards.
Originally posted by Lord LucienHey, I'm just going with the way the scene went. Vader didn't even know what he was doing. When I said Harry would blow Vader up like he did Aunt Marge, it was sarcasm, because Harry didn't know what he was doing.
So to you, the only way Vader can use a certain attack, is if the exact same situation occurs? Yeah, right. I think I'll stick with the "No morals, kill or be killed" thank you.
Besides, that's not the definition of Force Crush. It can be applied with hands to a single target by and Jedi capable of advanced TK (which most people on that list are). In a do or die situation, pretty much every Master on that list can and will be performing a Force Crush or will be liquidating people's bones and organs with Force Push, or will be telekinetically tossing people around.If a wizard is 1000 feet away and apparating, force crush aint gonna get them. Force crushing a few pieces of metal right around you is different than force crushing a wizard who is teleporting all over the place. Besides, after Hermione whispers "confundus", Vader's gonna be a babbling idiot.
In Sidious and Dooku's case, they'll be zapping these normal humans with Force Lightning. If Palpatine's torture-level use of Lightning of Skywalker is any indication, that stuff can measure at least as painful as a proper Cruciatus. And how many people have cast spells or apparated away when that happened to them?Apparition, dude. Gotta have line of sight to use force lightning. Can't force lightning a wizard who is here, then there, then over yonder, everywhere at once.
Add the omnipresent factor of super-human reflexes that allow them to block blaster bolts and, in Kenobi's case, 23 strikes-per second from General Grievous, as well as Force Speed (a technique that Padawan Kenobi is shown using in Ep. I), as well as the ability to sense lifeforms, and you get a pile of dead wizards.
Once again: The Jedi/Sith were NEVER shown casting force attacks with impressive speeds. The Wizards were. Next question.
Originally posted by Rogue JediOkay.
Hey, I'm just going with the way the scene went. Vader didn't even know what he was doing. When I said Harry would blow Vader up like he did Aunt Marge, it was sarcasm, because Harry didn't know what he was doing.
Originally posted by Rogue JediSo that's why no Wizard is ever shown getting hit by a spell! Oh, wait...
If a wizard is 1000 feet away and apparating, force crush aint gonna get them. Force crushing a few pieces of metal right around you is different than force crushing a wizard who is teleporting all over the place. Besides, after Hermione whispers "confundus", Vader's gonna be a babbling idiot.
Hermione can Confundus all she wants, when a squad of battle-hardened superhumans who move faster than her eye can see attack her, she's dead.
Originally posted by Rogue JediAgain, this is why every duel that ever took place always ended in stalemate--because everyone was always getting out of the--oh, wait...
Apparition, dude. Gotta have line of sight to use force lightning. Can't force lightning a wizard who is here, then there, then over yonder, everywhere at once.
Originally posted by Rogue JediBut the Jedi were shown moving with impressive speeds (a Padawan, of all people) in Ep. I, and are shown being able to sense and deflect incoming fire at the rate of multiple blasts per second. And since the Jedi know they can't deflect spells, they will be utilizing their far superior speed and reflexes to dodge any spell and get in close with their lightsabers, Force attacks etc. before the normal human wizard's brain has time to react.
Once again: The Jedi/Sith were NEVER shown casting force attacks with impressive speeds. The Wizards were. Next question.
Originally posted by Lord LucienI thought it was painfully obvious.
Okay.
So [b]that's why no Wizard is ever shown getting hit by a spell! Oh, wait... [/b]Oh shit, no Jedi ever was hit by blasterfire. Oh wait......
Hermione can Confundus all she wants, when a squad of battle-hardened superhumans who move faster than her eye can see attack her, she's dead.See, that's the beauty of confundus. She can be thousands of feet away and not even looking at the Jedi to use it.
Next?
Again, this is why every duel that ever took place always ended in stalemate--because everyone was always getting out of the--oh, wait...Question: Every instance where force lightning was used, what was the target/victim doing?
But the Jedi were shown moving with impressive speeds (a Padawan, of all people) in Ep. I, and are shown being able to sense and deflect incoming fire at the rate of multiple blasts per second. And since the Jedi know they can't deflect spells, they will be utilizing their far superior speed and reflexes to dodge any spell and get in close with their lightsabers, Force attacks etc. before the normal human wizard's brain has time to react.
Immobulus.
Next?
Originally posted by Rogue JediOK, RJ, I'll answer that.Question: Every instance where force lightning was used, what was the target/victim doing?
Every time someone was hit with force lightning, they were either A. Standing still just waiting to be hit, or B. Running at the person who was casting force lightning.
Dooku versus Anakin: Anakin ran right at him.
Dooku versus Obi Wan: Obi Wan was just standing there, caught it on his saber.
Sidious versus Yoda: Yoda was just standing there like a n00b.
Palpatine versus Luke: Luke was just standing there like a n00b.
The idea that a force user can track apparating wizards and force lightning them is ludicrous. Never, not once, was force lightning shown tracking a fast moving/instant moving target.
So.....Force lightning, out. Same with force crush. Force push and pull, as well as force hold are countered with apparition. Jedi mind trick aint working on a wizard. Precog gets overwhelmed, easily. Saber attack? Lulz, man, the wizard apparates away or vanishes the Jedi. Force speed? Immobulus.
Pretty sure that covers it all.
Originally posted by Rogue JediIt would have been, had I even read that Aunt Marge post.
I thought it was painfully obvious.
Originally posted by Rogue JediOh shit, 200 Jedi vs. thousands of Battle Droids in a circular arena =/= not this scenario.
Oh shit, no Jedi ever was hit by blasterfire. Oh wait......
Originally posted by Rogue JediSo that's why the Order won the war so quickly and without bloodshed: Hermione used her amazing Confundus abilities and--oh, wait...
See, that's the beauty of confundus. She can be thousands of feet away and not even looking at the Jedi to use it.
Next?
Originally posted by Rogue JediWrithing in pain, being knocked unconscious, or deflecting it. And Wizards can't pool it in their hands, so that leaves two options.
Question: Every instance where force lightning was used, what was the target/victim doing?
Originally posted by Rogue JediI've definitely pinned your methods:
Immobulus.Next?
Force speed.
Next?
Originally posted by Lord LucienBewbz.
It would have been, had I even read that Aunt Marge post.
Oh shit, 200 Jedi vs. thousands of Battle Droids in a circular arena =/= not this scenario.Then WTF are we talking about?
So that's why the Order won the war so quickly and without bloodshed: Hermione used her amazing Confundus abilities and--oh, wait...haermm Point? It's a spell she knows and can use at will. The fact that it was only used twice means nothing.Next?
Writhing in pain, being knocked unconscious, or deflecting it. And Wizards can't pool it in their hands, so that leaves two options.
Every time someone was hit with force lightning, they were either A. Standing still just waiting to be hit, or B. Running at the person who was casting force lightning.
Dooku versus Anakin: Anakin ran right at him.
Dooku versus Obi Wan: Obi Wan was just standing there, caught it on his saber.
Sidious versus Yoda: Yoda was just standing there like a n00b.
Palpatine versus Luke: Luke was just standing there like a n00b.
The idea that a force user can track apparating wizards and force lightning them is ludicrous. Never, not once, was force lightning shown tracking a fast moving/instant moving target.
I've definitely pinned your methods:Apparition>>>>>>>>>>Force speed. Immobulus>>>>>>>>>>force speed. Arresto momentum>>>>>>>>>>>force speed.Force speed.
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