Originally posted by marwash22
I never once said that the Tsukuyomi itself could kill anyone. My point was that, once you're caught in it, you are effectively dead because Itachi owns you. Kakashi said it himself.
Except it only lasts a literal second in the real world
This is a forum dedicated to anime, in which, you to, are on... aren't we all fanboys?
Originally posted by Gecko4lifYes, let's resort to insults because we can't justify our statements.
Is that a rhetorical question?Or are you really that limited in your mental faculties?
I'll ask again, how does the time it takes to execute the maneuver and it's overall duration, effect the level of it's impact?
Originally posted by marwash22
Yes, let's resort to insults because we can't justify our statements.I'll ask again, how does the time it takes to execute the maneuver and it's overall duration, effect the level of it's impact?
what a retarded question
Which attack would you prefer
The attack that gives you permanent control over someones mind
or
The attack that gives you control over someones mind for 1 second
Originally posted by NephthysThat's horriblly flawed logic.
So, now you're placing the Sharingan on the same level as the most powerful zanpakto ability in the world?
the two things are on completely different levels. That's like saying, because you have the best tennis serve in your high school, it's on par with the best serve in professional tennis.
Again, Sharingan > Suigetsu.
Originally posted by marwash22
That's horriblly flawed logic.the two things are on completely different levels. That's like saying, because you have the best tennis serve in your high school, it's on par with the best serve in professional tennis.
Again, Sharingan > Suigetsu.
Well Lets compare notes
Suigetsu
- Easily spammed
- Functions till Death
- Can target multiple people at once
- Can not be broken without the consent of weilder
Sharingan
- Not spamable
- Functions for 1 second
- Can only target a single person
- Can be broken by internal means
Yeah... much clearer now...
Originally posted by Gecko4lifYou're not making sense.
what a retarded questionWhich attack would you prefer
The attack that gives you permanent control over someones mind
or
The attack that gives you control over someones mind for 1 second
First off, it's a short amount of time IN THE ACTUAL WORLD, but in the victims mind, it's substantially longer and entirely more draining on a mental and physical level.
Also, you have failed to explain why Madara, Itachi or Sasuke wouldn't see through Aizen's hypnosis with the use of their Sharingan. Do you mean to tell me, that Shinji, who doe not possess the Sharingan, can see through Aizen's hypnosis, but Itachi, who does posses the Sharingan, cannot?
I'll be happy to concede the point and admit I'm wrong... provided you give me valid reasoning.
Originally posted by marwash22
You're not making sense.First off, it's a short amount of time IN THE ACTUAL WORLD, but in the victims mind, it's substantially longer and entirely more draining on a mental and physical level.
Also, you have failed to explain why Madara, Itachi or Sasuke wouldn't see through Aizen's hypnosis with the use of their Sharingan. Do you mean to tell me, that Shinji, who doe not possess the Sharingan, can see through Aizen's hypnosis, but Itachi, who does posses the Sharingan, cannot?
Originally posted by iceman24567I'm not downplaying it; I acknowledge it's power. I'm refuting the possibility of it ever being a factor in a fight against people who's primary power is specifically tailored to combat illusions from ever being cast on them.
Somebody is downplaying Aizens shikai....
Making snide remarks without any factual evidence to support them, is not a valid form of debate.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Becuase it isnt an illusion. It is real. Well... sorta. It is real to you. Illusions are just thoughts in your brain. Suigetsu you really ARE seeing, hearing, smelling etc what it says you are.
What the flying f...?
What do you think Kyoka Suigetsu does? 😐
Even if it is called hypnosis, it is still an illusion, regardless of how the victim is affected. Illusions are phenomena that disrupt our senses and thus deceive us. Kyoka Suigetsu, through controlling the victim's senses, is disrupting said senses.
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~ That said, the illusions that Kyoka Suigetsu creates are nearly flawless, and they can't be broken, at least by the characters of the verse it appears in.
That's not the case for Sharingan or MS genjutsu, as they've repeatedly been broken through.
It's entirely up to speculation if the Sharingan could break through Kyoka Suigetsu's effect though.
Aizen could, in all honesty, solo this thread. All he has to do is show the release of his Shikai to his opponents. They have no info on this naturally, and they'll fall victim to it, apart from perhaps those with Doujutsu.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No he wasn't: his bodies were. And, that Genjutsu was special: not even Itachi would have avoided it because it was a sound genjutsu.
Originally posted by King KandyI don't understand how you have the nerve to use this logic since you refuse to use the same logic as it pertains to Aizen vs. Itachi, Madara or Sasuke.
And so your argument is that, since Genjutsu worked perfectly the only time it was tried... Pein is genjutsu-resistant? I really don't see where you're coming from, since the rinnegan was never shown to resist illusions.
Originally posted by marwash22
I don't understand how you have the nerve to use this logic since you refuse to use the same logic as it pertains to Aizen vs. Itachi, Madara or Sasuke.
How about you tell me why you believe Tsukiyomi>Kyoka Suigetsu, when Suigetsu has factually shown greater capabilities?