Gotei 13 vs. The Akatsuki

wow i cant believe that ppl actually thinks thas sharingan is superior to Suigetsu......lets compare them

Suigetsu's info
isnt a normal illusion its control of all 5 senses meaning he can make all of the akatsuki fight and kill each other...there is no way to see through his ability with your eyes unless sharingan has the ability to alter all 5 of their senses

sharingan

can control 1 person at a time takin out very weak willed ppl so at the maximum take out 3 captains leaving 10 left meaning the can cut to pieces in that 3 second or whatever span that they use to look into someone's eye while aizen's shikai makes everyone who saw it fight each other to the death thinking their fighting the captains

so in reality aizen's absolute control over the 5 senses at any time any place>>>>sharingan's brain illusions that only works if you look someone in the eye and only works on one person at a time

but back to the real battle..gotei 13 takes this battle bcuz if speed difference and aizen's hohyoku, gins mach 500 bankai yama's shikai, tousen, hollow powers, and bankai, soi fon's shikai, and hundreds of kido and hado spells..besides who's beating aizen's full hogyoku form

Originally posted by dw6xl
wow i cant believe that ppl actually thinks thas sharingan is superior to Suigetsu......lets compare them

Suigetsu's info
isnt a normal illusion its control of all 5 senses meaning he can make all of the akatsuki fight and kill each other...there is no way to see through his ability with your eyes unless sharingan has the ability to alter all 5 of their senses

sharingan

can control 1 person at a time takin out very weak willed ppl so at the maximum take out 3 captains leaving 10 left meaning the can cut to pieces in that 3 second or whatever span that they use to look into someone's eye while aizen's shikai makes everyone who saw it fight each other to the death thinking their fighting the captains

so in reality aizen's absolute control over the 5 senses at any time any place>>>>sharingan's brain illusions that only works if you look someone in the eye and only works on one person at a time

but back to the real battle..gotei 13 takes this battle bcuz if speed difference and aizen's hohyoku, gins mach 500 bankai yama's shikai, tousen, hollow powers, and bankai, soi fon's shikai, and hundreds of kido and hado spells..besides who's beating aizen's full hogyoku form

Wow, it's as if the ninja can't use anything outside of the 5 senses...cause ninja don't have senses outside the 5 senses.

Wait....some do. 😐

The Sharingan, once activiated, becomes a sense outside of the 5 senses...can see chakra a bit...and can see through solid objects. pwned.

No they really dont.

Your just embarrassing yourself now.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
No they really dont.

Your just embarrassing yourself now.

Yes, I'm extremely embarrassed because your only rebuttal was "nuh uh."

You mad cause I just pwned your big post with simpler words? hehehehehe

I bet you're a kid...15? 16?

when was it stated that the sharingan was like a 6th sense? and isnt seein through solid objects still seeing? meaning its still ONE OF THE 5 SENSES just a more enhanced version..smh

Originally posted by dw6xl
when was it stated that the sharingan was like a 6th sense? and isnt seein through solid objects still seeing? meaning its still ONE OF THE 5 SENSES just a more enhanced version..smh

Let me know when you develop the Sharingan...cause obviously, it's part of the 5 regular ol' senses. 🙂

Until then, you're just going to have to deal with the reality that your whole point fell right on its head and it's useless for this discussion.

But, if you develop the sharingan and can prove that it is a basic set for all humans' 5 senses, I'll eat my words, by God.

Originally posted by dw6xl
when was it stated that the sharingan was like a 6th sense? and isnt seein through solid objects still seeing? meaning its still ONE OF THE 5 SENSES just a more enhanced version..smh

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, I'm extremely embarrassed because your only rebuttal was "nuh uh."

You mad cause I just pwned your big post with simpler words? hehehehehe

I bet you're a kid...15? 16?

I am now convinced you are medically retarded. Congratulations I wont make fun of you anymore. No fun in taunting an actual retard.

How about everyone stop insulting each other and just debate?

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Unohana did suspect something was up with Aizen's illusion when she checked the corpse, so it's not flawless, but it is pretty strong. No-one really has illusion breaking powers in Bleach.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I am now convinced you are medically retarded. Congratulations I wont make fun of you anymore. No fun in taunting an actual retard.

I know you are but what am I?

Originally posted by Q99
How about everyone stop insulting each other and just debate?

I did not make fun of him, at all.

And, no, I didn't report him, either.

I think he's a kid, so it'd be stupid for me to get upset over anything so I concluded to just to have fun.

Originally posted by Q99
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Unohana did suspect something was up with Aizen's illusion when she checked the corpse, so it's not flawless, but it is pretty strong. No-one really has illusion breaking powers in Bleach.

But, just as we suspected, sensing reiatesu/rieryoku IS a sixth sense. Yamamoto didn't fall for the illusion Aizen was doing by holding onto Aizen's sword after he was stabbed with it and he even said he could feel Aizen's spirit energy. So, just like we suspected, the Illusion really does affect the 5 senses, but senses above and beyond that are not affected beyond the ability of the person to disregard what he 5 senses are telling them.

How could Sharingan be a sixth sense? Its an eye technique involving vision. Its vision. Just becuase it can shoot illusions doesn't make it anything else. Is Heatvision another sense? Nope. 😬

Sharingan does allow visual sensing of chakra, in addition to normal chakra-sensing methods that ninja have.

(btw, I assume you mean Kenpachi?)

Originally posted by dadudemon

I did not make fun of him, at all.

And, no, I didn't report him, either.

I think he's a kid, so it'd be stupid for me to get upset over anything so I concluded to just to have fun.

Whether or not you consider it an insult it's still sniping/countersniping that's not exactly conductive to debate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How could Sharingan be a sixth sense? Its an eye technique involving vision. Its vision. Just becuase it can shoot illusions doesn't make it anything else. Is Heatvision another sense? Nope. 😬

Yeah, heatvision would be an addtional sense if your primary vision sense was the "visible' spectrum."

Chakra/slight x-ray vision on top of regular vision is definitely an additional sense that is unlocked later in life. Being able to predict like magic, where someone is going to be, through the sharingan, is certainly a 7th sense above the first.

The chakra and complete X-ray vision of the byukugan is definitely a 6th sense.

Senses are things that allow you brain to interpret specific types of stimuli.

The primary 5 are really like 3 senses....but could be well over 10 sensory modalities, depending on how pedantic you want to get with it.

Somatosensory cortex is where it is at, yo.

Anyway, unless you're going to say that Aizen can produce the illusion for a sense that no-one in the Bleach-Verse has, you'd be wrong. Burden of proof is on you to prove that Aizen can falsify the chakra network of someone. Is chakra even mentioned once? 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
Whether or not you consider it an insult it's still sniping/countersniping that's not exactly conductive to debate.

Until my last post to him, where did I insult him?

Can people seriously just look at this from a logical, unbiased viewpoint? When i made this thread, i did so without actually having an opinion on which team would win the fight. As i started hearing other peoples opinion, i shifted heavily toward the Akatsuki because til this point, no one has yet to provide sufficient evidence which would lead me to believe that Aizen can resist Sharingan... or for that matter, that Sharingan user's can't resist his perfect hypnosis.

Just when i thought people were starting to think logically and accept that Sharingan user's had the edge, the irrational and completely unfounded proof that, "Aizen would never look anyone in the eye" started to surface.... gimme a break! When has Aizen ever shown his modus operandi to include the following... immediately pulling out his shikai in battle, or not being a smug and arrogant prick who ALWAYS looks people in the eye and talks incessantly about how superior he is?

FACT: Aizen has never once drawn his sword without knowing if he had to do so. Therefore, you can't make a character go outside of their typical procedure, just to make a point. Furthermore, it is a fact, that Itachi will activate genjutsu immediately... that's just how he operates in battle, it's his main tactic 'cause he never shuts his sharingan off.

Why is everyone so afraid to be wrong? I'll have no problem conceding when you can logically convince me that, Aizen's Suigetsu, which is based solely on the principle of distorting perception, would ever work on someone who's primary and most powerful form of defense, is perceiving and countering the changes in all aspects of reality.

Becuase I assume that CIS (character induced stupidity) is off, so Aizen won't act like an overconfident ass and will immediately try to unleash his most powerful attack as fast as possible.

PIS is default off, but CIS is default on.

No-one in Bleach goes right for their ultimate attack, ever 🙂

Yeah, heatvision would be an addtional sense if your primary vision sense was the "visible' spectrum."

Even though it fails your own definition of a 'sense'? Is Spidermans webbing a sense? Is wolverines healing factor? Is Ichigos Getsuga Tensho a sense? No, they're abilities. Like the ability to stretch your arm or piss. Not senses.

Chakra/slight x-ray vision on top of regular vision is definitely an additional sense that is unlocked later in life. Being able to predict like magic, where someone is going to be, through the sharingan, is certainly a 7th sense above the first.

Its regular vision put through a filter. Its still the optical nerves taking in information and passing it to the brain, they just alter to take in new information as well, nothing more.

Burden of proof is on you to prove that Aizen can falsify the chakra network of someone. Is chakra even mentioned once?

That is certainly a factor (if I understand what you're saying). If Aizen fails to create the illusion of characters having chakra then they'd figure it out. Not that it matters becuase he could always just blind them if they rumble it, maybe get rid of their other senses too so they're effectively helpless. Knowing they're in an illusion won't help them much unless they have some way to brake out of it (idk, don't the Sharingan have the abilitie to see through illusions to some degree?).

PIS is default off, but CIS is default on.

No-one in Bleach goes right for their ultimate attack, ever

Then they may actually lose. 😆 Bleach characters definately have all the typical anime drawbacks and idiocies, like standing perfectly still while their opponents unleash their transformation scenes or calling their attacks or, as you say, f'ing never going right to full throttle. 🙄 The only one who will probably go right for the kill is Soi-Fon imo, maaaybe Gin.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Even though it fails your own definition of a 'sense'? Is Spidermans webbing a sense? Is wolverines healing factor? Is Ichigos Getsuga Tensho a sense? No, they're abilities. Like the ability to stretch your arm or piss. Not senses.

No, sense is detecting and processing stimuli. I made that quite clear already. 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its regular vision put through a filter. Its still the optical nerves taking in information and passing it to the brain, they just alter to take in new information as well, nothing more.

Sensing light and dark and then colors in the visible spectrum is what comprises our vision. Turning another sense on that senses an organisms chakra and chakra flow and also having slight x-ray capability would be 2 completely new senses associated with vision.

Technically, those are two completely different sensory modalities.

And, why would you down play the Sharingan like that? Don't you think that's a bit absurd, dude? 🙁

You make it seem like a simply filter for the eyes when it actually makes the person one of the deadliest and most effective type of ninja in the series.

It actually gives the user 3 different senses:

Chakra sense: being able to see chakra.
Slight X-ray capability.
Slight precog/reactionary ability: being able to predict movements and react to them.

That's a total of 8 senses: 3 addtional. The 3 additional are above and beyond what Aizen would affect. Also, we already know that the ability to sense spirit energy is not completely blocked out because Yamamoto was able to break his illusion quite quickly against Aizen as soon as he was stabbed. That pretty much puts a nail in the coffin of it really being limited to those 5 senses.

You're getting hung up on "sight" being one complete sense when that really is not the case at all. Five senses do not include senses above and beyond the visible light spectrum.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That is certainly a factor (if I understand what you're saying). If Aizen fails to create the illusion of characters having chakra then they'd figure it out. Not that it matters becuase he could always just blind them if they rumble it, maybe get rid of their other senses too so they're effectively helpless. Knowing they're in an illusion won't help them much unless they have some way to brake out of it (idk, don't the Sharingan have the abilitie to see through illusions to some degree?).

Aizen can only affect the 5 basic senses: above and beyond that, he cannot. He was not shown doing that ever and he was shown affecting the 5 basic senses.

The Sharingan allows a person to be immune to Genjutsu, from what I remember of that fight between kakashi and itachi. However, Itachi overpowered Kakashi by using a higher-evel eye technique: the MS.

imo i still think the captains take this very easily due to their power and abilities...and theirs also 2 ppl i think the sharingan wont affect at all ...and thats tousen (because he's blind) and gin(because he hardly ever opens his eyes)...and their bankai's can play a major role in helpin the captains win

Originally posted by dadudemon
The Sharingan, once activiated, becomes a sense outside of the 5 senses...can see chakra a bit...and can see through solid objects. pwned.