LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

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"You've gotten a sight stronger in the short time you've been gone, Link. Strong as you are, though, you can't hope to beat the Gorons wrestlin' with power alone. Those Gorons are made of rock! Naw, the secret to beatin' the Gorons...is locked away in that chest. Take it with you, lad."

*You got the Iron Boots! Wear these and you'll become so heavy, not even a Goron will be able to move you!*

"You can probably tell, those boots are made of iron, lad. Whoever wears 'em won't be pushed around easily, even by a Goron."

What is going on here? Gorons are confirmed made of rock, and Iron Boots prevent you from being pushed around. They don't increase strength, so Link throwing Gorons is still valid.

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You cannot tell me you don't see superhuman strength here.

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Did you see him move the giant metal gear? Also, Fyrus is going to be killing some vampires.

Not when you're made of flesh and bone. Diamonds resists based on it's substance and Kratos resists because of his strength. It's two completely different concepts here. The diamond doesn't need to actively resist the feat like Kratos does.

Kratos still has enough strength to resist. It does not depend on weight like force to the side would. You're confusing concepts of physics. Kratos needs to be durable enough as well. It doesn't matter how strong your muscles are if your bones can't take the weight, so it both durability and strength.

Yes, they give Link the weight needed to outwrestle or stop them to throw them.

No, they give him the weight to not be moved. The wrestling and throwing is up to Link.

Yes, proving Bo can do so with the weight just like Link. There's no superstrength you just need gear to give you the weight needed to attack or resist the gorons size advantage.

You don't understand. The boots make you heavy and prevent Gorons from throwing you. You still need superstrength to throw Gorons back or even to stop the charge. You see, when a Goron rolls into Link, it applies quite a bit of force to his arms. He still needs to catch this force using his arms because that is where the he is resisting from. His arms.

Bo knew how to stop the goats and was the one who showed Link to how to defeat the gorons so why wouldn't he be able to do so since he bested a goron first and foremost?

"I know how to swing a bat, therefore I can hit a ball into the stratosphere."

^That is what you are saying. Just because Bo can stop a goat does not mean he can stop a rolling Goron, even if he knows how. He might not be strong enough. Just because he can outwrestle a Goron does not mean he can throw one. He might not be strong enough.

You're assuming that any human can stop and throw a Goron if they were heavy enough, when this is not true. Gorons are made of rock, and normal humans simply cannot do that.

So? If Bo was knows the tactic involved why can't he do the same as link? We already know he can stop the goat and outwrestle a goron why does it matter which ones Link faced off against? You can't prove Bo cannot and with all the evidence here Link needed Bo to give him the boots or else he was screwed on his own without them.

I already covered this, above. Just because I know how to hold my breath, that doesn't mean I can do it forever. You're making a subtle no limits fallacy in suggesting that Bo can stop anything because he knows how to. You also can't assume that Bo is able to do these things, just because he did similar but on a much smaller scale.

You're saying that Bo can stop a giant ball of rock just because he can stop a goat. There is so much difference between those that it's ridiculous. Further, you seem to think that anything Link can do, Bo can replicate, when this is clearly not true. The difference between Dangoro and a normal Goron is also massive, yet you're assuming that Bo could also stop and throw Dangoro just because he stopped a goat.

That kind of stuff doesn't fly here. Evidence or bust.

The enemies won't stand there and wait to die. Plus they can teleport large groups of enemies. I mean come on here. Don't be so naive.

I meant that Link can simply pick them off while they run towards him, because he's a sniper like that. They wouldn't be standing still, I understand that, but Link could pick runners off before they reached him. I wasn't aware of the teleportation, who can do this, and why are they part of a "handful" of normal people?


I wouldn't go that far besides kain can teleport safely away from Zant if he wants to warp his surroundings into water.

Zant can teleport, too, you know. The fact remains that Zant is doing massive damage to the vampire ranks and could simply eliminate Kain.

Look at their abilities and the dangers they face. Facing giant spiders as opposed to giant vampires which do you feel is more impressive? The abilities of Raziel are far more impressive as well considering his blade, his tk, and his ability to keep coming back.

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Giant spiders > vampires. Link has dealt with pretty much all of Raziel's abilities before.

They don't need the master sword to kill Ganondrof so who cares. if you want to go by plot devices you can still defeat ganondrof without it whereas Kain is unkillable with the soulreaver. Ha. Any way you want it Kain still comes out on top.

What are you talking about? Seriously? They cannot kill Ganondorf without the Master Sword and I have no idea where you got that impression. If you're referring to the Sages, did you forget that the Triforce of Power kept him from dying there? And did you also forget that Ganondorf can survive even if his entire body is destroyed?

Did you forget that Zant already killed Kain?

There is no evidence whatsoever he is superhuman just well trained and skilled enough with the proper gear to get the job done.

That's all.

There is evidence. You're just ignoring it. See above.

I can really keep at this forever, if necessary. As many times as it takes for you to realize that Link is superhuman.

An increasing power level works against you.

Also @ Sin. >_>

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yes, Physics can allow this. However, Nature does not.
The point is most creators don't take either into accountability for the most part with their story. Fans blow things out of proportion. I should link you to a writer named Kurt Busiek who explains how these things play it while fans try to figure out the weight of the objects lifted or thrown whereas the writer just has the artist draw something big for the story. They aren't sitting their saying he can lift 40 tons for that scene. Common sense told me this anyways.

So your logic is that since Kratos' developers didn't care, Nintendo's developers don't care.

You know, in the face of the Iron Boots, that's pretty hard for me to accept.

Originally posted by The Scenario
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"You've gotten a sight stronger in the short time you've been gone, Link. Strong as you are, though, you can't hope to beat the Gorons wrestlin' with power alone. Those Gorons are made of rock! Naw, the secret to beatin' the Gorons...is locked away in that chest. Take it with you, lad."

*You got the [b]Iron Boots! Wear these and you'll become so heavy, not even a Goron will be able to move you!*

"You can probably tell, those boots are made of iron, lad. Whoever wears 'em won't be pushed around easily, even by a Goron."

What is going on here? Gorons are confirmed made of rock, and Iron Boots prevent you from being pushed around. They don't increase strength, so Link throwing Gorons is still valid.

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You cannot tell me you don't see superhuman strength here.

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Did you see him move the giant metal gear? Also, Fyrus is going to be killing some vampires.

Kratos still has enough strength to resist. It does not depend on weight like force to the side would. You're confusing concepts of physics. Kratos needs to be durable enough as well. It doesn't matter how strong your muscles are if your bones can't take the weight, so it both durability and strength.

No, they give him the weight to not be moved. The wrestling and throwing is up to Link.

You don't understand. The boots make you heavy and prevent Gorons from throwing you. You still need superstrength to throw Gorons back or even to stop the charge. You see, when a Goron rolls into Link, it applies quite a bit of force to his arms. He still needs to catch this force using his arms because that is where the he is resisting from. His arms.

"I know how to swing a bat, therefore I can hit a ball into the stratosphere."

^That is what you are saying. Just because Bo can stop a goat does not mean he can stop a rolling Goron, even if he knows how. He might not be strong enough. Just because he can outwrestle a Goron does not mean he can throw one. He might not be strong enough.

You're assuming that any human can stop and throw a Goron if they were heavy enough, when this is not true. Gorons are made of rock, and normal humans simply cannot do that.

I already covered this, above. Just because I know how to hold my breath, that doesn't mean I can do it forever. You're making a subtle no limits fallacy in suggesting that Bo can stop anything because he knows how to. You also can't assume that Bo is able to do these things, just because he did similar but on a much smaller scale.

You're saying that Bo can stop a giant ball of rock just because he can stop a goat. There is so much difference between those that it's ridiculous. Further, you seem to think that anything Link can do, Bo can replicate, when this is clearly not true. The difference between Dangoro and a normal Goron is also massive, yet you're assuming that Bo could also stop and throw Dangoro just because he stopped a goat.

That kind of stuff doesn't fly here. Evidence or bust.

I meant that Link can simply pick them off while they run towards him, because he's a sniper like that. They wouldn't be standing still, I understand that, but Link could pick runners off before they reached him. I wasn't aware of the teleportation, who can do this, and why are they part of a "handful" of normal people?

Zant can teleport, too, you know. The fact remains that Zant is doing massive damage to the vampire ranks and could simply eliminate Kain.

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Giant spiders > vampires. Link has dealt with pretty much all of Raziel's abilities before.

What are you talking about? Seriously? They cannot kill Ganondorf without the Master Sword and I have no idea where you got that impression. If you're referring to the Sages, did you forget that the Triforce of Power kept him from dying there? And did you also forget that Ganondorf can survive even if his entire body is destroyed?

Did you forget that Zant already killed Kain?

There is evidence. You're just ignoring it. See above.

I can really keep at this forever, if necessary. As many times as it takes for you to realize that Link is superhuman. [/B]

Due to the iron boots. Links' weight has to increase for him to resist them. Thanks.

I don't see superstrength here. I see anyone in this verse pushing them around with exceptional strength due to the boots which is why Bo beat them in a sumo match as well.

Which vampire is Fyrus going to kill?

No, it's mainly strength as he resisted. If he didn't resist his bones would have been crushed.

Yes, he needs the weight to be able to do so so without it he can't stop them because he can't on his own.

No one in the game does Link just crush because he's too strong for them he weakens them and eventually bests them.

You don't need to be superstrong you just need the boots.

Link can't throw a goron outside ball form. If link could throw them out of the ring when wrestling you'd have a point so the ball form makes them easy to throw.

He could pick some off but for the most part these guys would be on top of him just like in the game. Moebius can do so as can Mortanius, Janos can fly, and Kain can teleport.

I don't think so. Kain would be far too crafty to allow Zant to get him where he wants him. He can also teleport and would probably set Zant up. He's older, wiser and is too effective as a warrior with his abilities.

Not the vampires in lok. Giant spiders aren't anywhere near it.

In these threads you don't need plot device weapons to kill each other.

You claiming you need the master sword is thrown out and I can't believe you didn't catch me the first 100 times I said no to this from both sides.

Ganondrof didn't survive when Link pierced him and likewise here. he was also bested by the sages.

No, it isn't. You have no idea how long I can keep this up. You will break before I will.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So your logic is that since Kratos' developers didn't care, Nintendo's developers don't care.

You know, in the face of the Iron Boots, that's pretty hard for me to accept.

Most people don't take this into consideration it all boils down to what looks cool and what doesn't. No one is worried about how realistic this stuff looks like.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most people don't take this into consideration it all boils down to what looks cool and what doesn't. No one is worried about how realistic this stuff looks like.
CONGRATULATIONZ.

You shot yourself in the foot. 🙂

This is exactly the reason Kratos can be punched by Zeus and not fly to the horizon, it doesn't look kool, but physics says he should. This is called "PIS", or plot induced stupidity. It's stupid for the plot. Resisting being crushed does not defy physics, and Link requiring the iron boots it true to physics. OFTEN in fiction writers will ignore physics for something cooler, however, in a fight without PIS, physics are in play and are taken into account. The Zelda universe already takes note of physics, this is the entire reason the iron boots exist, and even superman has a power akin to the iron boots in function. Is superman weak? Does Kratos only resist Cronos because of skill? Does obeying the laws of physics weaken you?

AND YET, you argue their existance makes Link as weak as a normal human, in the face of mountains of evidence. Fallacious, and foolish.

You ADMIT this, and yet, you still cover your eyes and ears whenever a showign of super strength is put infront of you. I'm just going to start using your own logic against you.

Link is so skilled he could outfight Kain with his eyes closed, no matter how strong ans fast Kain is, because he knows how to. durlaugh

Yeah, that's your logic. No matter how you try to play it, Link destroys Kain with minimal effort. Let alone the massive boss monsters he kills.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the iron boots. Links' weight has to increase for him to resist them. Thanks.

Weight prevents knockback so that superstrength can be used.


I don't see superstrength here. I see anyone in this verse pushing them around with exceptional strength due to the boots which is why Bo beat them in a sumo match as well.

If you can't see that, you are either blind or determined to deny Link an obvious feat. I doubt you are blind.

Regardless, you're claiming that anyone could stop a Gron if they had the Iron Boots, despite the fact that that much force would crush a normal human.


Which vampire is Fyrus going to kill?

Any of the ones weak to fire, which is most of them.


No, it's mainly strength as he resisted. If he didn't resist his bones would have been crushed.

Link resisted Goron without getting his arm bones crushed. Further, you do not understand how this works. If you were too suddenly gain superstrength and went to pick up a car, it would break your spine. Even though your muscles are strong, your skeleton remains the same, and would be crushed. Thus, since both Link and Kratos avoid this, they are strong as well as durable.


Yes, he needs the weight to be able to do so so without it he can't stop them because he can't on his own.

What is so difficult to understand about this? Weight =/= strength. The boots prevent Link from getting tossed; that is weight based. Link picks up and throws Gorons; that is strength based.


No one in the game does Link just crush because he's too strong for them he weakens them and eventually bests them.

He doesn't need to crush them because he has a sword.


You don't need to be superstrong you just need the boots.

Blatantly wrong and ignoring evidence.


Link can't throw a goron outside ball form. If link could throw them out of the ring when wrestling you'd have a point so the ball form makes them easy to throw.

That's not how he was taught to sumo, was it?


He could pick some off but for the most part these guys would be on top of him just like in the game. Moebius can do so as can Mortanius, Janos can fly, and Kain can teleport.

That's not a handful of normal humans, which is what you said could beat Link. You're changing the rules to put Link at a disadvantage. Anyway, Link has dealt with all of that before.


I don't think so. Kain would be far too crafty to allow Zant to get him where he wants him. He can also teleport and would probably set Zant up. He's older, wiser and is too effective as a warrior with his abilities.

And you spectacularly fail to provide evidence as to how and why you think so. If Kain gets close enough, Zant kills him, end of story.


Not the vampires in lok. Giant spiders aren't anywhere near it.

Better than Armogohma? Prove it.


In these threads you don't need plot device weapons to kill each other.

Then why are you using one?


You claiming you need the master sword is thrown out and I can't believe you didn't catch me the first 100 times I said no to this from both sides.

In the last post you claimed that Kain was unkillable even with the soul reaver. Now you're not even following your own rules.


Ganondrof didn't survive when Link pierced him and likewise here. he was also bested by the sages.

He was not bested by the Sages; he was BFR'd when they couldn't kill him. He didn't survive Link because of the Master Sword, like I said. And even so, Ganondorf survives and still fights when his body is destroyed.


No, it isn't. You have no idea how long I can keep this up. You will break before I will.

You underestimate me. I've done this before. Besides, the evidence supports me, and that will be true no matter how much you ignore it.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Weight prevents knockback so that superstrength can be used.

that doesnt make any sense. the boots are attached to his legs so while his legs would be better rooted to the ground, that does nothing to stop him from being knocked back. he wont go flying off his feet, but, he'll still get knocked down and fall backwards . . . his feet will just remain in place.

it doesnt have anything to do with any arguments either way, but, im just pointing out how silly that is

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
CONGRATULATIONZ.

You shot yourself in the foot. 🙂

This is exactly the reason Kratos can be punched by Zeus and not fly to the horizon, it doesn't look kool, but physics says he should. This is called "PIS", or plot induced stupidity. It's stupid for the plot. Resisting being crushed does not defy physics, and Link requiring the iron boots it true to physics. OFTEN in fiction writers will ignore physics for something cooler, however, in a fight without PIS, physics are in play and are taken into account. The Zelda universe already takes note of physics, this is the entire reason the iron boots exist, and even superman has a power akin to the iron boots in function. Is superman weak? Does Kratos only resist Cronos because of skill? Does [b]obeying the laws of physics weaken you?

AND YET, you argue their existance makes Link as weak as a normal human, in the face of mountains of evidence. Fallacious, and foolish.

You ADMIT this, and yet, you still cover your eyes and ears whenever a showign of super strength is put infront of you. I'm just going to start using your own logic against you.

Link is so skilled he could outfight Kain with his eyes closed, no matter how strong ans fast Kain is, because he knows how to. durlaugh

Yeah, that's your logic. No matter how you try to play it, Link destroys Kain with minimal effort. Let alone the massive boss monsters he kills. [/B]

Sigh. My point has always been these feats don't translate over to make sense in our world. It's impossible for a man to resist a man who can piggyback a mountain.

Link is just a skilled man. He's nowhere near as skilled as say Kratos so please don't ever act like he is. Kain is stronger than any man, faster than any man, etc. Link's comparable to a man. He always has been and that's what makes Zelda a great story you have a normal hero like us who gets thrown into this stuff, matures, gets cool gear and learns the skills and abilities he needs to get the job done.

Kain's always been this badass no one can ---- with him type character. Link's someone most don't even take seriously at first. Both are fated to do great things.

In combat Link doesn't throw around his strength and it doesn't carry over so the goron feat is useless anyways.

Kain would own Link every which way because unlike his game the good guy doesn't prevail here.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Weight prevents knockback so that superstrength can be used.

If you can't see that, you are either blind or determined to deny Link an obvious feat. I doubt you are blind.

Regardless, you're claiming that anyone could stop a Gron if they had the Iron Boots, despite the fact that that much force would crush a normal human.

Any of the ones weak to fire, which is most of them.

Link resisted Goron without getting his arm bones crushed. Further, you do not understand how this works. If you were too suddenly gain superstrength and went to pick up a car, it would break your spine. Even though your muscles are strong, your skeleton remains the same, and would be crushed. Thus, since both Link and Kratos avoid this, they are strong as well as durable.

What is so difficult to understand about this? Weight =/= strength. The boots prevent Link from getting tossed; that is weight based. Link picks up and throws Gorons; that is strength based.

He doesn't need to crush them because he has a sword.

Blatantly wrong and ignoring evidence.

That's not how he was taught to sumo, was it?

That's not a handful of normal humans, which is what you said could beat Link. You're changing the rules to put Link at a disadvantage. Anyway, Link has dealt with all of that before.

And you spectacularly fail to provide evidence as to how and why you think so. If Kain gets close enough, Zant kills him, end of story.

Better than Armogohma? Prove it.

Then why are you using one?

In the last post you claimed that Kain was unkillable even with the soul reaver. Now you're not even following your own rules.

He was not bested by the Sages; he was BFR'd when they couldn't kill him. He didn't survive Link because of the Master Sword, like I said. And even so, Ganondorf survives and still fights when his body is destroyed.

You underestimate me. I've done this before. Besides, the evidence supports me, and that will be true no matter how much you ignore it.

What? Wouldn't he fall back with his boots firmly planted in the ground mr. physics?

Anyways the feat doesn't carry over as he didn't beat anyone on sheer strength. he always has to weaken his opponent to best him and was never this superstrong guy you think he is. If you think Link is you've misunderstood him from the start.

Bo stopped one in a match and Link did as well. Link didn't throw any goron in a match because he can't. He's not that strong he only can in ball form.

Which ones are weak to fire?

The feat doesn't make sense in zelda. In real life if you had iron boots on you'd get knocked over but still have your feet in the ground. Link's not superstrong and the fact you think he is tells me you don't get Link at all.

He can't crush them. What do you think his actual training is for anyways? He needs the skills he doesn't rely on strength and never has. It's preposterous to assume Link is superstrong.

No, you're trying to exaggerate the feat and forget about how the character is actually portrayed. I mean you guys are arguing about his wolf strength and so determined to beg for these strength feats you didn't even realize it's ion wolf form and is moot anyways.

You said Link has the strength so why would he need to be taught? Are you saying he can throw them but chooses not to? WTF.

Vamps were overwhelmed by giant vamp hunting human parties. To suggest these parties couldn't kill Link in the right situation is ludicrous. These people eradicated all the vampires save Kain and Vorador.

Do I have to? I hate looking up vids on youtube.

What plot device am I using?

I said if you want to go the route that Ganondorf is unkillable unless by the master sword then the soulreaver rule is in effect. Both parties are killable so don't you dare ever mention that mastwer sword stuff again.

Bfr is a win. Ganondorf lost. You don't have to kill someone to beat them.

No, the evidence really doesn't. Look at my post count. Take a good long look. I have taken on waves and waves of people and at the end of the day I am there while they aren't.

Originally posted by The Scenario
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"You've gotten a sight stronger in the short time you've been gone, Link. Strong as you are, though, you can't hope to beat the Gorons wrestlin' with power alone. Those Gorons are made of rock! Naw, the secret to beatin' the Gorons...is locked away in that chest. Take it with you, lad."

*You got the [b]Iron Boots! Wear these and you'll become so heavy, not even a Goron will be able to move you!*

"You can probably tell, those boots are made of iron, lad. Whoever wears 'em won't be pushed around easily, even by a Goron."

What is going on here? Gorons are confirmed made of rock, and Iron Boots prevent you from being pushed around. They don't increase strength, so Link throwing Gorons is still valid.

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You cannot tell me you don't see superhuman strength here.

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Did you see him move the giant metal gear? Also, Fyrus is going to be killing some vampires.

Kratos still has enough strength to resist. It does not depend on weight like force to the side would. You're confusing concepts of physics. Kratos needs to be durable enough as well. It doesn't matter how strong your muscles are if your bones can't take the weight, so it both durability and strength.

No, they give him the weight to not be moved. The wrestling and throwing is up to Link.

You don't understand. The boots make you heavy and prevent Gorons from throwing you. You still need superstrength to throw Gorons back or even to stop the charge. You see, when a Goron rolls into Link, it applies quite a bit of force to his arms. He still needs to catch this force using his arms because that is where the he is resisting from. His arms.

"I know how to swing a bat, therefore I can hit a ball into the stratosphere."

^That is what you are saying. Just because Bo can stop a goat does not mean he can stop a rolling Goron, even if he knows how. He might not be strong enough. Just because he can outwrestle a Goron does not mean he can throw one. He might not be strong enough.

You're assuming that any human can stop and throw a Goron if they were heavy enough, when this is not true. Gorons are made of rock, and normal humans simply cannot do that.

I already covered this, above. Just because I know how to hold my breath, that doesn't mean I can do it forever. You're making a subtle no limits fallacy in suggesting that Bo can stop anything because he knows how to. You also can't assume that Bo is able to do these things, just because he did similar but on a much smaller scale.

You're saying that Bo can stop a giant ball of rock just because he can stop a goat. There is so much difference between those that it's ridiculous. Further, you seem to think that anything Link can do, Bo can replicate, when this is clearly not true. The difference between Dangoro and a normal Goron is also massive, yet you're assuming that Bo could also stop and throw Dangoro just because he stopped a goat.

That kind of stuff doesn't fly here. Evidence or bust.

I meant that Link can simply pick them off while they run towards him, because he's a sniper like that. They wouldn't be standing still, I understand that, but Link could pick runners off before they reached him. I wasn't aware of the teleportation, who can do this, and why are they part of a "handful" of normal people?

Zant can teleport, too, you know. The fact remains that Zant is doing massive damage to the vampire ranks and could simply eliminate Kain.

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Giant spiders > vampires. Link has dealt with pretty much all of Raziel's abilities before.

What are you talking about? Seriously? They cannot kill Ganondorf without the Master Sword and I have no idea where you got that impression. If you're referring to the Sages, did you forget that the Triforce of Power kept him from dying there? And did you also forget that Ganondorf can survive even if his entire body is destroyed?

Did you forget that Zant already killed Kain?

There is evidence. You're just ignoring it. See above.

I can really keep at this forever, if necessary. As many times as it takes for you to realize that Link is superhuman. [/B]

All those quotes identify how all Link needs to add to his weight is some iron to stop the weight of a moving Goron. Links stronger than a human by many times but hes not in the 1-10 ton range.

The vid does not show superstrength, inhuman strength maybe but other than that Links just moving something perhaps 5/10x his own weight+boots.

Link did not move it, he pushed it and a mechanism jolted and took the gear. Fyrus despite having the fire required to kill a vampire is a slow, plodding entity that a few water spells would put to rest and its fairly weak as some iron can trip it over and weigh it down, the EG or a few of the larger vampires/demons (like the fire ones) would destroy him.

Kratos stuff is irrelevant.

yes and the weight is not enough to call this feat "super" tbh.

How much rock a Goron is made out of is not made clear, your assuming their made of a higher percentage of rock or that their 100% eyt this is not founded, infact their joints and their bodies appear to be flesh. As you can see below, only the back of his arms, top of head and nipplez are of stone. Possibly its back.

iirc only Kain, Vorador, Sarafan lord and Janos can teleport, any of them could kill link though so its pretty irrelevant.

Zants not going to do much at all, all hes doing is using a fairly slow teleport to take him and Link to each area hes been to before. These areas do not exist in this match. More importantly he does not have any damage/resistance feats so he will be cleaved by a few vampires and TP will lose one of its more important heroes to common rabble.

Your using plot elements and no limit fallacies in this "zomg cannot kill Ganon!" rubbish.

Zant cannot kill Kain...not sure he can kill anyone on this field beyond a human.

I think Quanchi means theres no evidence thats actually backing up your claims, not that theres no evidence at all.

Yeah, I agree here with the gorons most of their makeup is unknown and they don't weight anywhere near as much as the loz fans are treating as fact.

They could weigh about a ton or so, Dangaroo at least considering his size and the metal armour he is wearing.

Originally posted by Burning thought
They could weigh about a ton or so, Dangaroo at least considering his size and the metal armour he is wearing.
Yes, but him relying on his iron boots to me dismisses this as a pure strength feat outside his gear. Zant would annihilate any normal human trust me. Zant's ability to reality warp and submerge you in water would be a nighmare for Kain. He'd have to teleport away.

Iron boots are irrelevant for strength in the case of Link actually lifting Dangaroo up, I agree with the others in the fact that Link is only using the Boots as an anchor so that he is not pushed along by Dangaroo. Sure his body and spine would still likely snap if Dangaroo was overly heavy.

Zant would annihilate a human based on what abilities? his Tk could kill one sure, but a few of them would kill him quite handily as he has no feats of durability from what has been provided in this thread. "reality warping" or just "teleporting" is unclear, the areas you fight him in are exact almost in appearance to previous boss fights. I only recognise Dangaroos area but thats exact all the way down to the little bridge where the platform breaks from.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Iron boots are irrelevant for strength in the case of Link actually lifting Dangaroo up, I agree with the others in the fact that Link is only using the Boots as an anchor so that he is not pushed along by Dangaroo. Sure his body and spine would still likely snap if Dangaroo was overly heavy.

Zant would annihilate a human based on what abilities? his Tk could kill one sure, but a few of them would kill him quite handily as he has no feats of durability from what has been provided in this thread. "reality warping" or just "teleporting" is unclear, the areas you fight him in are exact almost in appearance to previous boss fights. I only recognise Dangaroos area but thats exact all the way down to the little bridge where the platform breaks from.

Zant defeated the entire hyrule army just like that. he simply dismissed Link and Midna just like that with Midna's amp. Zant also took over the entire realm of twilight. You didn't play the game so please don't act as if you know.

Dont lie, Zant had a lot of help from Shadowbeasts, not sure I saw him beating hyrules army "just like that" either.

I did not act like I know otherwise I would not have put a question mark in there asking you for examples/evidence. Although tbh I need not have to, if I have not seen Zants evidence by now I probably wont and it most likely does not exist at all.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Dont lie, Zant had a lot of help from Shadowbeasts, not sure I saw him beating hyrules army "just like that" either.

I did not act like I know otherwise I would not have put a question mark in there asking you for examples/evidence. Although tbh I need not have to, if I have not seen Zants evidence by now I probably wont and it most likely does not exist at all.

They accompanied him but his powers were what even created the shadow beasts.

What makes you think based on what you saw any old human can beat him?

YouTube video

if you don't want to watch the entire thing, which gives Zant a ton of feats anyway. Just watch 5:14 for Zant's "slow" teleport.

That's true, Zant does appear to be a reality warper, in however limited his room size is.

And one of the rooms he created was filled with water, can Kain and Raziel swim?

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