You just said you need to exceed the weight and the momentum coming at you to stop it which Kratos didn't in gow 3. You tripped all over yourself here. To think writers take into consideration physics when creating fictional universes based on magic is hilarious.
GoW 3's writers ignored physics, I didn't trip over anything. Zelda's writers obviously did take physics into consideration, as we should in a versus debate. 🙂 Also, magic had nothing to do with the feat, the boots description says they are so heavy you cannot be moved, not that they're magic.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeWell, someone with superman's strength would. Superman has super anchoring, legitimately. there's a comic where a set of people get his powers without his secondary powers, and the one who got his flight couldn't use his super anchoring and had to be tethered.
TP Link is also not at full power when he stops the rolling Gorons.And yeah actually, Superman would realistically move when a 30 ton Lorry hits him. It doesn't make him weak, it means he still follows physics.
so: Superman's writers are aware of physics, and gave him a power to make sense of his abilities.
Edit: Har, one of superman's powers is the iron boots. Does this make him weak as a normal man? haermm
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThe actual gameplay itself. The only time you can throw a goron is when they are in ball form not at any other time.
I wasn't aware something says he can't.You need to be heavier, yeah, basic physics. It really doesn't matter how strong you are, if the object you are trying to stop is heavier than you are, you will move before it stops.
Find a scene of this Kratos feat. It's probably different than this.
And no, you cannot say all writers ignore physics just because Kratos' did. It is clear the TP developers WERE thinking about basic physics.
To a point they were but to a point they weren't. It all doesn't add up despite you really wanting it to mean Link is superstrong.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Kratos had force coming from above. Link had force coming from the side. Compleely different, so he did not trip up. Find a scene where Kratos stops soomething coming at him from the side, and you will likely see him pushed backward.In fact, just look at the scene where Pandora dies. The suction pulls Kratos toward it, despite his strength.
Physics dictates that your arms would shatter. It's a huge rock rolling down a hill at you. You put up your arms, and that rock will break them.
It was the Goron Chief, who is also a skilled wrestler. And yes, Link did toss him a bit.
Yes, because otherwise Link is too light and tossable. This means nothing to Link's strength.
You're still not listening.
1. Bo wrestled a Goron and won.
2. Bo did not stop a rolling Goron.
3. Bo did not pick up a throw a Goron.1. Link wrestled a Goron Chief, and a very strong and skilled one.
2. Link stopped several rolling Gorons, one of which was massive and armored.
3. Link picked up and threw several Gorons, one of which was massive and armored.Link has done things that Bo has not. Stop trying to pass this off as unimpressive when Link is clearly the only one to do something like this. Bo did not originally do this. He wrestled and won, that's it. He did nothing impressive ever again, especially not Link's strength feats.
You are not paying attention. Kratos did not need weight because he was dealing with force from above. If I drop a piano on you, it doesn't matter how heavy you are. Link needed weight because the force was from the side. There is a massive difference. If I threw the piano at you sideways, then it would matter how heavy you are.
There's a cliff. It doesn't work.
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It's a sport. You're not afraid of baseball or football, are you? It's safe enough. On the other hand, there's a big wolf with claws and teeth and can kill you with a pounce, which is decidedly not safe. Bo is physically powerful coward.
Link can snipe from out of their range via Hawkeye. He very well can pick them off before they realize he's there.
He beat Link. But yeah, Zant is a reality warper, and faster than Kain with better magic; He very well could beat Kain.
Do you not understand how this works?
No ToP = stabbed.
ToP= lolno i kill uDivine Wolf bites empowered by ToC and Master Sword, and arrows never hurt him.
Other character was a giant lizard who also had crap mobility. Everyone who has ever weilded that weapon had crap mobility and did so with difficulty.
No. Watch it again.
"Your hatred bled across the void and awakened me. I drew deep of it and grew strong again."
Good luck killing him when he can pull stuff like that.
And all that progress is lost because you won't listen to reason.
Physics don't matter in a video game and with iron boots on it would kill your mobility and make you an easy target against someone with a few hundred pounds against you in a sumo match. Think about it realistically it doesn't add up.
They both could push each other there was nothing even close to a goron toss while in ball form because they weren't in ball form coming at Link.
You don't know he got lucky and we do know he trained Link in how to fight them. I mean come on here. He was trained by the man who knew how to defeat them yet you want to call luck. This is getting so preposterous here.
If Link can't resist them on his own then without the boots he cannot best them in either. He needs the boots so without them he just doesn't compete with the Goron.
1.Bo wrestled and defeated a goron in the same manner Link did so in the same exact situation they were viewed as both able to best gorons. Link didn't even figure it out on his own and needed Bo to aid him so don't act like Link did so on his own. Bo deserves more credit because he actually figured it out not Link.
2.How do you know he couldn't? If he was the one who knew how to best them and hot to stop the goat why would you assume he couldn't?
3.We didn't see him in the same exact situation but common sense tells me he could do so.
Bo taught Link how to achieve these things. Laughs.
You aren't paying attention the force that was coming down on him by physics is impossible for someone his size to resist unless you say screw physics.
No, not everywhere you run into gorons are there cliffs. Sorry, you can't stop them ever without the boots. It's clear you can't so don't act like you can.
Bo's a coward yes but going up against a goron doesn't really require bravery anyways as they won't kill you so the worst thing they will do generally is knock you over.
No, because the enemies will be all over him. Link can't just pick them apart before they attack him and various points in the game he was unable to even do so. The town section was set up and he was told to even do so in this manner because they were all separated from each other and it was set up for this.
How is Zant faster? The stuff he pulls off isn't impressive at all. He beat a worthess hyrulian army based on magic and when you fight him he's tremendously weak as opposed to Kain.
He used it to recover but he was still stabbed and was later stabbed by Link. Both times he was stabbed and both times did he try to use the triforce to recover.
They did so with one arm as opposed to two for Link.
I'll watch it again later on my wii as I have no sound here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is based on physics someone of this height could not stop someone that much bigger trying to crush him. It's impossible based on physics.
That wasn't the point. You changed the point. Your point was that Kratos resisted the crushing even though he was light, which is ridiculous and had nothing to do with it. I responded as much. Now you're saying it was physically impossible. No, not really. Kratos is durable enough to resist crushing in a similar way a block of wood might resist you crushing it. Hieght and weight have nothing to do with that example.
Physics don't matter in a video game and with iron boots on it would kill your mobility and make you an easy target against someone with a few hundred pounds against you in a sumo match. Think about it realistically it doesn't add up.
They make him heavy, which what is important. Since the Goron is also heavy, they were more or less equal.
They both could push each other there was nothing even close to a goron toss while in ball form because they weren't in ball form coming at Link.
It was only one. No "they." Regardless, Link pushed him around as per the rules of sumo.
You don't know he got lucky and we do know he trained Link in how to fight them. I mean come on here. He was trained by the man who knew how to defeat them yet you want to call luck. This is getting so preposterous here.
He taught Link how to sumo. That is literally the extent of what the guy does. He didn't even teach Link how to use the Iron Boots, he just gave them to him. He didn't teach Link how to fight Gorons, either. Just sumo. He gave the Link the secret to his win, but there was literally nothing different between fighting humans and Gorons besides weight. It still could have been luck.
If Link can't resist them on his own then without the boots he cannot best them in either. He needs the boots so without them he just doesn't compete with the Goron.
He can resist them on his own, or weren't you paying attention?
1.Bo wrestled and defeated a goron in the same manner Link did so in the same exact situation they were viewed as both able to best gorons. Link didn't even figure it out on his own and needed Bo to aid him so don't act like Link did so on his own. Bo deserves more credit because he actually figured it out not Link.
He taught Link the art of sumo. He did not teach Link how to fight Gorons.
2.How do you know he couldn't? If he was the one who knew how to best them and hot to stop the goat why would you assume he couldn't?
Why are you assuming he could? All Bo did was sumo, and you're assuming anything else.
3.We didn't see him in the same exact situation but common sense tells me he could do so.
We didn't see him in the same exact situation but common sense counts for absolutely nothing since it is just speculation and guessing on your part.
Bo taught Link how to achieve these things. Laughs.
No, he really didn't.
You aren't paying attention the force that was coming down on him by physics is impossible for someone his size to resist unless you say screw physics.
Now you're just making stuff up. Go find a coin or something and try to crush it between your hands. Based on your logic, it should be physically impossible for that coin to resist being crushed because it is so small and light.
This is not the case.
No, not everywhere you run into gorons are there cliffs. Sorry, you can't stop them ever without the boots. It's clear you can't so don't act like you can.
I haven't seen any of this. Even if, Link clearly resists them.
Bo's a coward yes but going up against a goron doesn't really require bravery anyways as they won't kill you so the worst thing they will do generally is knock you over.
...yes, that was my original point.
No, because the enemies will be all over him. Link can't just pick them apart before they attack him and various points in the game he was unable to even do so. The town section was set up and he was told to even do so in this manner because they were all separated from each other and it was set up for this.
I doubt Link would let them get close enough to be all over him. If he caught them unawares, the same thing would happen.
How is Zant faster? The stuff he pulls off isn't impressive at all. He beat a worthess hyrulian army based on magic and when you fight him he's tremendously weak as opposed to Kain.
Just flat out wrong.
1:26- Zant is freaking fast.
3:27- Fast teleport, too.
3:50- As I said, reality warper.
5:05- Kain dies instantly at this point.
7:24- Oh, look, he can change his size.
9:03- Whirling death blossom.
11:36- "As long as my master, Ganon, survives, he will ressurrect me without cease!"
Zant is pretty hard to compete with, and all of that was just fraction of Ganondorf's power. I didn't bother posting the vid where Zant TK pwns Wolf Link, Midna, and Lanayru, and I didn't bother posting the defeat of Hyrule via Twilit invasion. But yeah, if he drops some Twilight, Zant has a chance of soloing.
He used it to recover but he was still stabbed and was later stabbed by Link. Both times he was stabbed and both times did he try to use the triforce to recover.
He didn't have it the first time he was stabbed, and the second time was the bane of his existence, which countered the Triforce of Power.
They did so with one arm as opposed to two for Link.
So?
I'll watch it again later on my wii as I have no sound here.
You don't need sound, and I posted the relevant video already.
Bah, I'm playing Majora's Mask right now.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtZant, Ganondorf, Link, various bosses etc. Take about 3 or four mini bosses and put them with two bosses and eg has his back up against the wall imo.
Ok, give me a move list from TP that can lead to EG actually being killed?Zeus and the Titans were hardly an army, they were like 10-20 elite entities of power equel or beyond to the Titans each. Yet youve said a Titan could beat 2000 greek soldiers....yet they have never beaten an army, see how your being a hypocrite and saying something pretty silly at the same time? you dont have to have beaten an army to be able to beat one is my point.
He must have been spiritually harmed or that one of the many things the game has not revealed yet. We dont actually see Kain getting physically damaged however.
Fair enough, your rules. Kain still has a good deal of powers from blood TKing which is similiar to the bloodshower spell, he has time powers, lightning etc.
The Elder Gods flesh can take the weight of the ground above it as well as the ground it smashes through as it burrows into the Earth across the planet. I doubt the average TP creature has the feats required to even damage the EG, furthermore, what good is all of these things attacking the tiny portion of the EG they could cover when it can regenerate and multiply its limbs almost instantly? no use at all....
But they cannot defeat him. The Elder God is immaterial, the material does not hit him and Raziels spiritual reaver cannot harm him either. None of those weapons will be of any use, a huge squid having a tiny shaft of silver? or a minor sword stuck in its tentacle? one movement and it would crush most of them or bury them under the Earth. Chances are none of them will hit it.
Kain is beyond Link and Ganon combined in both the weapon and power department and he had the plot device that damaged the EG on several levels. Fortunaltey for the characters here, Quanchi has allowed them to harm EG as if it was a physical entity. The EG is burrowed beneath the world both in the deep places where rock is insanely dense and a high precentage metal and its smashed through rock to attack Raziel although I am basing its overall strength on its size.
No he has not, we actuallly see the sword go through Kain without harming him, its not the same as a sound that youve decided is Links sword striking Ganon. And I am talking about an FMV, not gameplay graphics.
No it really doesnt.... 😬
What? We see the Titans fight the gods and only after a lengthy battle and the creation of Zeus' sword do we see the Titans lose then.
When next we see the Titans coming after Zeus armies are engaging here. There's no one capable of soloing either army because both sides are comprised of badasses along with foot soldiers. The Titans sheer size aids them against the gods but they are more powerful on average.
No, he was damaged in combat because he was without the soul reaver.
There is no time manipulation from either side. It's just unfair to let any of that in here.
Zant or Ganondrof would seek out the source himself and take out the eg. They aren't going to allow him to destroy their forces without directly engaging him themselves.
Both sides will strike at each other with strategy and mini armies. This would be epic.
Originally posted by The ScenarioAre you saying based on the laws of physics someone who outweighs you by thousands and thousands of pounds can stop you from crushing him? LOL.
That wasn't the point. You changed the point. Your point was that Kratos resisted the crushing even though he was light, which is ridiculous and had nothing to do with it. I responded as much. Now you're saying it was physically impossible. No, not really. Kratos is durable enough to resist crushing in a similar way a block of wood might resist you crushing it. Hieght and weight have nothing to do with that example.They make him heavy, which what is important. Since the Goron is also heavy, they were more or less equal.
It was only one. No "they." Regardless, Link pushed him around as per the rules of sumo.
He taught Link how to sumo. That is literally the extent of what the guy does. He didn't even teach Link how to use the Iron Boots, he just gave them to him. He didn't teach Link how to fight Gorons, either. Just sumo. He gave the Link the secret to his win, but there was literally nothing different between fighting humans and Gorons besides weight. It still could have been luck.
He can resist them on his own, or weren't you paying attention?
He taught Link the art of sumo. He did not teach Link how to fight Gorons.
Why are you assuming he could? All Bo did was sumo, and you're assuming anything else.
We didn't see him in the same exact situation but common sense counts for absolutely nothing since it is just speculation and guessing on your part.
No, he really didn't.
Now you're just making stuff up. Go find a coin or something and try to crush it between your hands. Based on your logic, it should be physically impossible for that coin to resist being crushed because it is so small and light.
This is not the case.
I haven't seen any of this. Even if, Link clearly resists them.
...yes, that was my original point.
I doubt Link would let them get close enough to be all over him. If he caught them unawares, the same thing would happen.
Just flat out wrong.
1:26- Zant is freaking fast.
3:27- Fast teleport, too.
3:50- As I said, reality warper.
5:05- Kain dies instantly at this point.
7:24- Oh, look, he can change his size.
9:03- Whirling death blossom.
11:36- "As long as my master, Ganon, survives, he will ressurrect me without cease!"Zant is pretty hard to compete with, and all of that was just fraction of Ganondorf's power. I didn't bother posting the vid where Zant TK pwns Wolf Link, Midna, and Lanayru, and I didn't bother posting the defeat of Hyrule via Twilit invasion. But yeah, if he drops some Twilight, Zant has a chance of soloing.
He didn't have it the first time he was stabbed, and the second time was the bane of his existence, which countered the Triforce of Power.
So?
You don't need sound, and I posted the relevant video already.
Bah, I'm playing Majora's Mask right now.
Yes, without the weight Link can't hang with them so this is only made possible through gear so it's not something he can do on his own so it isn't valid of him overpowering Kain whatsoever.
Regardless, both Link and Bo defeated the Goron.
No, because in the game you cannot stop any of them without the boots so he really can't resist any of them.
Yes, he taught him the art of the sumo and the only other technique he used to stop the gorons was the same one used against the goats which Bo knew so everything Link knew Bo knew first.
So despite Bo knowing the same tactic to stop a goat and besting a sumo with the iron boots we assume he can't stop one rolling down in ball form? What?????????
A coin and something made of flesh and bone are two different things. Please don't try to twist my logic which applies to this example here with common sense.
Link only resists them with the boots.
Ok.
They wouldn't be standing there like in the game. The game set it up for you to take them all out without them knowing. On a battlefield it's much different. How many times in the game could Link take all his enemies out when the game didn't set you up for it?
Kain obviously wouldn't want to match up against him because of the reality warping and because water is deadly to him. He'd send raziel after Zant more than likely.
Raziel can come back to life as many times as he wants as well. If Raziel takes his soul though he isn't coming back.
Zant does not have a chance of soloing by any means. The foes he'd face off against are far superior than Link who defeated him and the pathetic army that was by Zelda's side. The elder god as well would probably defeat Zant on his own if they were matched one on one or Raziel could do so.
He channeled it only after he was stabbed. He also channeled it again after he was stabbed the second time so he failed. He was never unable to be stabbed and only accessed it after the fact to recover.
That means Link isn't superstrong in this game just as I said.
That's right I forgot. I guess he wasn't killed just defeated.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteAre you saying the laws of physics support the kratos feat? you were the one who foolishly implied fictional universes adhere to physics all the time like it has to make sense in a fictional universe where you can warp reality. Yeah, physics. 😂
Lolwut? Now you're pretending to understand physics when you still can't grasp that you need mass to stop something with mass. haermm
Originally posted by quanchi112The laws of physics do not say anything about height making crushing possible or impossible. A suitably dense or durable material of any size will be resistant to crushing. Kratos is that material. Kratos /should/ be thrown around more than he is, but game devs let shit like that slide because it's cool.
Are you saying the laws of physics support the kratos feat? you were the one who foolishly implied fictional universes adhere to physics all the time like it has to make sense in a fictional universe where you can warp reality. Yeah, physics. 😂
For example, go try and crush a diamond with your hands. Then: note the ease of throwing it.
........Just try not to lose it. They're expensive.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteThis is one of the most hilarious things I have ever seen. You are defending this feat like it makes sense. If a bug tries to resist me crushing it can it?
The laws of physics do not say anything about height making crushing possible or impossible. A suitably dense or durable material of any size will be resistant to crushing. Kratos is that material. Kratos /should/ be thrown around more than he is, but game devs let shit like that slide because it's cool.For example, go try and crush a diamond with your hands. Then: note the ease of throwing it.
........Just try not to lose it. They're expensive.
Kratos isn't made of metal but flesh and bone. Cronos outweighs him by hundreds of tons.
Kratos' skin isn't similar to diamond it's flesh like a human being. Hahahaha.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeWho is lp?
I'd still like to see that resisting crushing feat. LP has only done up to God of War 1. I think he's working on GoW2, but I don't believe he's that far along. I haven't found most of those vids yet anyway.
Originally posted by quanchi112Comparing Kratos to an insect is hilarious, the only things that are similar in the two scenarios is the size difference.
This is one of the most hilarious things I have ever seen. You are defending this feat like it makes sense. If a bug tries to resist me crushing it can it?Kratos isn't made of metal but flesh and bone. Cronos outweighs him by hundreds of tons.
Kratos' skin isn't similar to diamond it's flesh like a human being. Hahahaha. Who is lp?
Kratos flesh > steel and diamonds. 😐
Like a normal human? lol'd.
Resisting crushing doesn't defy the laws of physics, you clearly have no understanding of physics whatsoever. 😐
Originally posted by CosmicCometYou are correct but to suggest this is possible at all and that these guys take physics into consideration is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read online.
He outweighs him by FARRRRR more than that.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteSince when? Kratos gets pierced all the time and when does a sword fail to piece him or hurt him? Seriously, you just make things up. To even utter this is possible in some manner and could happen should reset your brain.
Comparing Kratos to an insect is hilarious, the only things that are similar in the two scenarios is the size difference.Kratos flesh > steel and diamonds. 😐
Like a normal human? lol'd.
Resisting crushing doesn't defy the laws of physics, you clearly have no understanding of physics whatsoever. 😐
So being outweighed by this much means according to the laws of physics this is possible, right? Please say yes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Zant, Ganondorf, Link, various bosses etc. Take about 3 or four mini bosses and put them with two bosses and eg has his back up against the wall imo.What? We see the Titans fight the gods and only after a lengthy battle and the creation of Zeus' sword do we see the Titans lose then.
When next we see the Titans coming after Zeus armies are engaging here. There's no one capable of soloing either army because both sides are comprised of badasses along with foot soldiers. The Titans sheer size aids them against the gods but they are more powerful on average.
No, he was damaged in combat because he was without the soul reaver.
There is no time manipulation from either side. It's just unfair to let any of that in here.
Zant or Ganondrof would seek out the source himself and take out the eg. They aren't going to allow him to destroy their forces without directly engaging him themselves.
Both sides will strike at each other with strategy and mini armies. This would be epic.
Name them, the mini bosses and what they can actually do to something this size. Imagine these tiny forces walking along the ground towards Cronos from God of War and trying to defeat him, he would just stamp on them, the comparison would be the same here only the EG has hundreds of multiplying tentacles at his disposal instead of a pair of big feet. In relation to the human limbs, the octopus' tentacle for its size is much stronger.
Yes but theres still no army, its just 10+ powerful entities battling it out.
Yes but theres no large armies against the Titans, theres some foot soldiers which are little more than toys, sort of like how foot soldiers are nothing to Kain, get my drift? neither side has actually defeated armies by itself yet you said Titans are fully capable without needing to, this is true for the EG, Kain and Raziel as smaller armies of weak soldiers are not a threat.
Sure he was damaged, but we dont know what from. His flesh was not cleaved.
Fair enough.
What source? we were never told the EG has a source.....its likely but its never been canonically established and if he has a source, it would be deep within the ground and they would never reach it...
In a basic melee, possibly but I still say the EG makes this unfair, the LoZ side have nothing so large and powerful. If this was God of war it would be like putting Kratos, a Titan and an army of mythlogical beasts against Hercules and an army of greek soldiers, it cant be fair....
No Quanchi, if Cronos is crushing Kratos like I think he is, then Cronos is actually supporting Kratos as well, all Kratos has to do is provide the muscle. The situation is entirely different, force is coming from the top and bottom, as opposed to the side. Kratos really has nowhere he could be moved, so Cronos' weight is irrelevant.
Of course I'd still like to see it. And from my last post all you had to ask about was who LP is?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are correct but to suggest this is possible at all and that these guys take physics into consideration is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read online.Since when? Kratos gets pierced all the time and when does a sword fail to piece him or hurt him?
He blocked two swings from the BoO with his bare hands, against Zeus--someone just as strong as him. That's when.
Atropos' claws also didn't cut him.
One of the Leviathan creatures wasn't able to impale him despite hitting him in the torso with its pointed leg.
The only times he's been pierced by an enemy:
1.) when Ares threw a big pillar at him in his giant God form that was travelling several times faster than the speed of sound. Even then he was dense enough to slow down its impact, if it had gone all the way through Kratos would have been bisected as the base of the pillar was wider than his torso. Kratos was also weaker in that game then he is God of War 3.
2.) Zeus plunged the BoO into Kratos after he was severely weakened. (Injured and reduced to based power)
I have no interest in this debate, I'm just letting you know.
Kratos by feats, is just as if not more durable than diamond.