LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Started by Demonic Phoenix85 pages

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You don't mean the Fantastic Four movie, do you? I don't think the movies are very canon. Besides, he threw his shoulder into it, which is motion. Stopping things in motion without really moving is what Link does. The rule is that you cannot stop a heavier object in motion without being moved.

I don't remember how Hancock vs the train happened.

Completely stopped the engine without moving (as far as we can see). Went into it.
The other cars got stopped as well.

Hancock shoulder blocked it, it was a mild movement of course.

Well, I'd guess he's supposed to have all of Superman's powers. Or, he just broke physics, which is laem.

Regardless, its retarded bringing up the laws in other fictional universe as being some sort of justification as to what the laws in another are supposed to be.

Using fictional examples to argue against physics is sort of a poor strategy.

A character that nods to physics' strength feats are just as, if not more valid, imho. Especially in a hypothetical "realistic" fight.

Yeah, that wasn't the point of bringing up those two.

Edit: Point was that -Physics doesn't mean as much with super powered characters.-

Meh, moar highlighting the strategies employed by Quan. 😛

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Regardless, its retarded bringing up the laws in other fictional universe as being some sort of justification as to what the laws in another are supposed to be.

This.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, I'd guess he's supposed to have all of Superman's powers. Or, he just broke physics, which is laem.

Not all. Just the basic powers in Superman's power-set.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That's the thing: Because it is explained, it obeys physics. Those other characters that do it without explanation are breaking physics until it's explained. Superman's powerset is basically a set of items; the result is the same.

Scans. Now.

No, they don't.

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You do have to post videos if you want to back up your claims. That is how a debate works. If you don't have evidence to back you up, you lose.

Superman needs his anchoring powers in order to obey the Laws of Physics. The writers added it to explain that he is, in fact, obeying physics, just like the Zelda writers added the Iron/Heavy Boots to obey physics.

Time doesn't freeze; the game just pauses. It's still canon, just like that Iron/Heavy Boots cutscene, above.

Kain tosses Raziel because Raziel is light. I've told you before, it's weight that determines if you get tossed, not strength. Tearing out a heart isn't even that impressive; it's just flesh and bone. Ganondorf crushes artifacts.

Teleports him again or TKs the mist.

No Goron in the series has ever taken serious damage, and the Zoras can apparently survive being frozen. Now, can you prove that LoK has bigger forces than the Gorons? Until you have a cutscene of a demon or something shattering boulders with a punch, LoK's mooks can't take the Gorons.

In previous games? No, that doesn't count; just Defiance, remember? Prove how powerful the Elder God is.

Zelda has an army, Ganondorf has an army, Zant has an army, Darbus has an army, and Ralis has an army. Legend of Zelda seems to outnumber Legacy of Kain by a large margin.

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They perform the same exact function.

He said the game was too realistic and so he couldn't do the usual Zelda craziness. You're saying it wasn't realistic. Sounds like you're arguing with the creator.

Yeah, he got some power and the crown of the Twilight Realm. Too bad Ganondorf was manipulating him the entire time and was the real power behind the throne.

That's the power of evidence, Quanchi. I played the game, but I didn't remember everything that happened. When I watched the cutscene again I realized I was wrong and adjusted my argument accordingly. Ganondorf wasn't hurt at all, as evidence by just laughing of the sword in the cutscene.

He let them collect the Fused Shadows, them got Zant to steal them. He just didn't see the Master Sword plot device coming. You know, Ganondorf also broke the Mirror of Twilight, the thing that defeated him last time. That's correcting mistakes right there.

You said it wasn't PIS when it was. The same thing with Kain being a retard before he became a vampire.

No, it isn't his basic items it's his basic powers. Link needs items for heavy lifting whereas Superman doesn't.

Why?

Yes, they do. When playing the game the guy can barely move because he is being weighted down by the boots. This is common sense to boot.

No, that's not how it works it's not my fault you only played one game and are ignorant when it comes to lok defiance you should only argue threads in which you know both sides.

Regardless, it;s his powers that are explained not an item which makes it possible which is not the same for Link.

No, just like when picking up rubies it's not canon the game freezing just like holding things up isn't canon either and it doesn't even seem to be held up it seems to be floating.

Kain is also holding him in place while fighting him off thus overpowering him. Kain's stronger than a guy who can tear hearts out as both are pretty strong which isn't the case with Link or Bo.

Kain can't be hurt in mist mode and can move away while changing into bats to fly away.

This is ridiculous here we have seen Gorons in an actual fight and swords hurting them so I could care less if the baddest one broke through a mountain Link couldn't which also shows he isn't as strong as this Goron too by the way. Laughs. Zoras can survive being frozen but who cares they can't survive a sword slash or being attacked by vicious demons so again you have nothing. You need to play the games before you argue against them.

None of these armies are impressive save Zant's army. I mean a few guys come up and storm the castle in top so please quit acting as if these armies are impressive when they are obviously not.

In lok we have demons, vampire hunters, sarafan, avernus cathedral followers, etc.

The hat she was wearing. This impressed you? Hahahahahaha.

No, they aid him with stopping gorons which proves on his own he can't contend with any of them due to his strength.

He said the graphics were too realistic with how the game is portrayed and wanted to go away from them since all the games are very unrealistic.

Yes, but he also abandoned Dorf and he got killed by Link. The point is both got what they wanted.

Ok, so now we are back to how slow he was and the fact he only took out one due to them being surprised he was back in it. he's too slow to match up with Kain.

So even though he's this master strategist he didn't see the master sword coming nor did he even know what it was when he took on Link that shows how incompetent he was.

What???? Kain was just a regular guy completely ignorant about his role so how is that pis? You just want excuses for zelda characters.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Quan, Hulk is capable of leaping into lower Earth orbit. If I recall, a principle of physics is that mass increases with velocity. Of course, that's all irrelevant since that is not like what Link does at all. Smashing things is very different from stopping it. Especially different since Hulk was moving as well. Link did not.
He didn't go anywhere near fast enough to perform the feat whereas other writers have shown Superman to go the speed of light to destroy something the size of a moon whereas Hulk was just on rockets to destroy something twice the size of the planet.

If you think game or comic creators have to follow the laws of physics then you are truly ignorant.

Well, then I'll point you to what ScreamPaste said, so you can proceed to ignoring things.

Breaking the laws of physics doesn't make someone stronger than someone who obeys them.

Also, you compared DC writers to Marvel writers for a correlation. That's stupid. Besides, everyone knows Marvel writers are better.

Originally posted by quanchi112

If you think game or comic creators have to follow the laws of physics then you are truly ignorant.

This, Zelda fans see their funny little toon hero lifting something far larger than he is and have to try and fill in gaps with assumptions around durability, material and maths and then when a Goron thats according to them 100 tonnes or more bounces off lava and skims across it they still think the physics are being taken seriously. I loled...

Then their views are toppled by actual canon and they reach until their joints pop out for random scraps of information and make little bandwagons of fans to try and claim the canon is overwritten by their fanon. 🙄

But anyway, as much as you hate it Quanchi but you have made a one sided thread. I have listed powers and strengths from Lok that would topple the LoZverse, let alone just one part of it.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, then I'll point you to what ScreamPaste said, so you can proceed to ignoring things.

Breaking the laws of physics doesn't make someone stronger than someone who obeys them.

Also, you compared DC writers to Marvel writers for a correlation. That's stupid. Besides, everyone knows Marvel writers are better.

Marvel writers usually wrote for dc and go back and forth so I really think you have no idea about what you are talking about.

My point is the laws pf physics don't matter to fictional universes in most cases. Link needs the boots to throw goron's so he isn't capable of this feat without the boots.

BT, do you seriously want me to reply to that? If you do, I will. Otherwise, I'll just leave you with a simple "shut up."

Originally posted by Burning thought
This, Zelda fans see their funny little toon hero lifting something far larger than he is and have to try and fill in gaps with assumptions around durability, material and maths and then when a Goron thats according to them 100 tonnes or more bounces off lava and skims across it they still think the physics are being taken seriously. I loled...

Then their views are toppled by actual canon and they reach until their joints pop out for random scraps of information and make little bandwagons of fans to try and claim the canon is overwritten by their fanon. 🙄

But anyway, as much as you hate it Quanchi but you [b]have made a one sided thread. I have listed powers and strengths from Lok that would topple the LoZverse, let alone just one part of it. [/B]

I agree the lok side wins but I don't see it as one sided as you do nor do I see how the zelda fans can argue it's as onesided as they see it.

Most of this stuff boils down to what or who do you like more more often than not.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
BT, do you seriously want me to reply to that? If you do, I will. Otherwise, I'll just leave you with a simple "shut up."

I did not quote you so why would I require you to reply to anything?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree the lok side wins but I don't see it as one sided as you do nor do I see how the zelda fans can argue it's as onesided as they see it.

Most of this stuff boils down to what or who do you like more more often than not.

Oh come on, LoK has a continent sized squid, 3 weaker members of the circle can make a region sized and expanding circle that would transform and re-arrange almost every aspect of the beings and natural landscapes within it. And an immortal deified vampire that has powers that can set most of the LoZ side against eachother. Mind control wins him this...and I dont think Kain is the only one who can mind control.

For the love of Arceus, can this thread please just die already?

It's a blatant bait. So you actually are hoping for a response.

I can also tell you both how you see the outcome of this thread the same. Ever hear the quote that great minds think alike? Well, the not-so-great minds think alike, as well.

Everything is a blatant bait to someone according to you....

You majorly baited me earlier and I simply ignored it, I suggest you do the same to a post you apprently dont like unless you have an argument to fight it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I did not quote you so why would I require you to reply to anything?

Oh come on, LoK has a continent sized squid, 3 weaker members of the circle can make a region sized and expanding circle that would transform and re-arrange almost every aspect of the beings and natural landscapes within it. And an immortal deified vampire that has powers that can set most of the LoZ side against eachother. Mind control wins him this...and I dont think Kain is the only one who can mind control.

Come on they are more powerful but it won't be this easy. You have to consider they still have the twilight beasts which can recover, Zant, Dorf, Link, multiple armiesO(I know hyrule and the zora's are practically useless) but they also have the Gorons which will aid their side.

It's not as onesided as you think.

Originally posted by Burning thought
This, Zelda fans see their funny little toon hero lifting something far larger than he is and have to try and fill in gaps with assumptions around durability, material and maths and then when a Goron thats according to them 100 tonnes or more bounces off lava and skims across it they still think the physics are being taken seriously. I loled...

Then their views are toppled by actual canon and they reach until their joints pop out for random scraps of information and make little bandwagons of fans to try and claim the canon is overwritten by their fanon. 🙄

But anyway, as much as you hate it Quanchi but you [b]have made a one sided thread. I have listed powers and strengths from Lok that would topple the LoZverse, let alone just one part of it. [/B]

Comedic purposes do not override a weight. You know how toonforce would apply to this? Dangoro can leap ten feet in the air without using his legs because of toonforce, he did it for comedic purposes. That doesn't make him any less heavy, nor prove anything for you. Not to mention Dangoro doing that has absolutely nothing to do with the strength feat you seem to think it overrides.

Funny, I've never seen anything toppled. Can you point out one of these occasions? I must have been elsewhere. Perhaps it was yesterday during a power outage.

Kain is an 80 tonner. Link trounces this. Hell, you even agreed to an equivalency at one point, yet you still assume Kain could defeat Link easily.

These powers you wank to no end consist of featless spells and useless abilities. One of which could be useful, except for the fact that Link has faced a user of the same ability who does it better than Kain.

Oh wait, that's not all, I'll even throw in a bonus point!

Ganondorf cannot be harmed by anything in LoK, ever. Well, maybe if you gave Kain the Master Sword and a pair of Golden Gauntlets. But you'd have to figure out some way to let Kain wield the MS.

I recommend the power of JUSTICE!.