LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I mean, some people think that there are 4 parts to the [b]Triforce, for example. Until you've played through a couple games (or at least OoT) you are fighting blind.
That's why everyone gives you such a hard time about it. [/B]

They're basing that on the original Zelda where the Triforce was a complete triangle. They need to realize that characters and items tend to get redesigned in different games. TP Link doesn't have chain mail because he's the weakest Link (no pun intended). Just a redesign.

Lotsa things get redesigned overtime, though to be accurate, it was only the Triforce of Wisdom that you assembled in the original game, and it was solid as all single pieces are.

Examples of redesign:
-Shields
-Boots often redone
-Cross/Lens of Truth
-Silver arrows -> light arrows

ect.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
They're basing that on the original Zelda where the Triforce was a complete triangle. They need to realize that characters and items tend to get redesigned in different games. TP Link doesn't have chain mail because he's the weakest Link (no pun intended). Just a redesign.

Well, that's based on:

1. An "extra" Goddess: The Goddess of Time
This is BS. It should be obvious that this is just Nayru, but people are dense.

2. The gap in the middle of the Triforce.
Some people say that this represents the "Goddess of Time" in alternate dimension of Termina; some say it is the "Light Force" in Four Swords. I say it's BS.

3. The Shield.
I saw the heading. It sounded like BS. Didn't read.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Before that, you need to explain how Kain is resistant when he gets it done to him from the other side of the planet. Also, ToP.

If you are judging an attack's power and scale by how it "looks" then you are already on the wrong path. Cause and effect are what's important, not how many colors there were on the attack.

I'm sure that it will change your mind. We have already shown you that research isn't enough; you need to see for yourself. Within the Zelda universe, we cant even agree on a solid timeline, much less fill the gaps of lore. LoZ is very complicated, and you will never understand it by reading some website's opinions on what they think about Zelda's lore. I mean, some people think that there are 4 parts to the [b]Triforce, for example. Until you've played through a couple games (or at least OoT) you are fighting blind.
That's why everyone gives you such a hard time about it. [/B]

ToP has never stopped anything of the sort. Kains beaten mental control and has shown immunity to it. his willpower is high enough and he has to technique.

Its not just how it looks, its how slow it was if I am right.

Youve not shown me, everything I have seen has had flaws in it and anything impressive was reached and pushed by fans, not actual canon or fact. yes well my understanding of the entire storyline is not so important when were talking about one feat.

No, I get a hard time because I dont agree Link can toss aircraft carriers and dodge lightning off the bat.

You know, what you say might carry some more weight if you actually play a Zelda game. Half of us have played both LoK and LoZ. You only have half of the picture, so its impossible for you to make an accurate judgement. In Zelda, you cant understand an event or power until you understand the things leading up to that.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
You know, what you say might carry some more weight if you actually play a Zelda game. Half of us have played both LoK and LoZ. You only have half of the picture, so its impossible for you to make an accurate judgement. In Zelda, you cant understand an event or power until you understand the things leading up to that.

I've tried that for Kingdom Hearts but failed miserably 🙁

Zelda is not a lost cause! 😠

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I lol'd at how when Superman backfires an example, it's a bad one.

Superman needs ironboots, and yet he is DEFINITELY super strong.

Link needs iron boots, but double standard, right?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Quan, find me an instance of Hulk doing something exactly like Link versus a rolling Goron.

Originally posted by The Scenario
But that example proves everything you're saying about Link wrong. If Superman did not have super-anchoring he would push himself backwards whenever he tried to push something hugely heavier than himself. If he didn't have super-anchoring, he would go flying when something strong hits hits him.

That one example has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that even Superman can't ignore the laws of physics without an explicit power saying he can do so. So Superman has what is basically the Iron Boots that allow him to do what he does. Link has Iron Boots that allow him to do what he does. You can't ignore that one.

The Iron Boots' only purpose is to prevent Link from getting tossed, and the rest is strength and durability. All credit goes to Screampaste for this thrashing.

No, you're wrong. Superman needs that anchoring ability, too. If he were superhuman he wouldn't need it, right?

Bo is still pretty strong, and stopping a goat is nowhere near as difficult as stopping a Goron.

Maybe I haven't played Defiance, then. You need to give me information I might not have so that I can make an informed decision. Right now, all I have to go on is what you and BT say about Defiance, and whatever I can glean from the wiki. You refusing to post evidence for your claims is intentionally keeping me in the dark so that I can't argue as effectively as I might otherwise be able to. You could be lying for all I know, and since you won't post evidence it makes me think that you are lying.

Further, it's been a while since I actually played TP. I might need a refresher on something that happened that I may have forgotten. Similarly, it gives us a reference to look at.

So I don't care whether or not you played the games. You need something concrete that I can see so that I might be able to determine how you came to some conclusion. I've posted nearly every video I could find, and have stopped doing so simply because I've run out. I've posted all the evidence I can, and I ask you to do the same. Botton line is, back up your claims or get out.

Canon cutscene. He also puts them in his back pocket.

Referring back to my earlier point, how much of the stuff you've been using actually came from Defiance? I have a very hard time beleiving that you're using just one game. And I can't tell whether or not you're actually using Defiance if you don't post evidence from it.

Midna teleports Kain into Link Hylia.

Gorons and Zoras, too. All the real soldiers were the guys that Zant turned into Twilight Beasts when he first invaded. The cowardly guys are the rookies.

Kain doesn't a divine chosen one hunting his ass down. Ganondorf (via Zant) took over all of Hyrule before Link's village even realized there was anything wrong. Has Kain ever done anything that fast? Did it take him all that time just to get to the top? Remember, Defiance only now that you've reminded me.

I'm so proud, you're actually asking for evidence. Aside from breaking the chains (not at full power), I don't think Ganondorf has many strength feats in TP. Aside from also breaking the Fused Shadows with one hand. He does jump 30+ feet in the final battle, too. I'll get back to you one this one.

Sheer folly. It's been repeatedly proven that the boots do nothing but anchor Link. Remember Superman?

The games usually weren't, but Twilight Princess was.

What same situation? Anyway, Ganondorf's magic feats are much better than Kain's, as are his durability feats. Ganondorf is just more powerful than Kain is. I'm not making up excuses, Ganondorf just gets screwed by plot devices.

No, Ganondorf just used him to his advantage in a decidedly Kain like move. Zant was following his god, and you're going from the perspective of the guy who was being used, instead of the guy who was using him.

Sages and PIS.

You think. The scene shows Ganondorf just hanging there, not moving, until he was suddenly alive again.

He wasn't trying to. He took one out and then just stood there laughing about being alive. Even before that, he crossed a lot of ground quickly to kill that Sage.

There was no thrashing and creators can ignore physics whenever they want to in whatever form. It's called fantasy which means it doesn't have to be realistic and in this case is certainly not.

That anchoring ability is inherent in his powers whereas Boots aren't inherent in Link's powers it's outside gear.

Bo is strong enough just like Link to stop a goat on his own. He isn't strong enough to stop a goron nor is Link without the boots.

I am not lying but I haven't looked for any videos yet here on my time maybe in the future but I assure you I haven't exaggerated his strength at all. It makes sense now you are supporting zelda because you haven't played lok. It's so obvious when you play both games.

None of the treasure chests are accurate nor is it accurate when he holds up keys as everyone in the game isn't frozen in time. I mean it's rather obvious.

I'll admit the heart tearing is from blood omen 2 when he was much weaker before his full strength came back but in defiance he wields the reaver the entire time. I can remember he snapped a neck easily at the beginning but for the most part uses his sword. In blood omen 2 he was without the sword until the end of the game and even when he was weakened he could still tear human hearts out.

Kain could teleport away from it or turn into mist. The only time Kain was bfr'd was when he held back against Raziel tring to talk sense into him while he was possessed and Raziel rips his heart out and tk's him into a portal.

You have no evidence to suggest otherwise and we didn't see any formidable defense from hyrule at any portion in the game. Gorons pale in comparison to the enemies in defiance such as the demons.

Kain has done even more than this pathetic accomplishment and seeing the soldiers we see in tp it's the biggest joke force I have ever seen in a video game. Kain time travels in defiance so he isn't about amassing an army he's about restoring balance to nosgoth while the eg and Moebius and the Hylden are trying to manipulate Raziel into killing Kain because he's the only one who can.

Dorf has magical power feats not any particular strength feats per say. I will give you breaking the chains but to me that's not impressive by itself.

Nope, sorry but Superman's powers are self contained he doesn't need other items like Link.

No, tp wasn't realistic at all the graphics were more so the game wasn't.

Both guys got what they wanted not just Dorf. Both used each other whereas Kain imposed his will upon nosgoth.

Dorf's durability isn't better at all he gets pierced quite easily and his body blows up quite easily. Dorf also was very weakened after the sword piercing where as Kain seems to not be bothered at all after he comes to by having his heart ripped out.

Yes, he was out but not dead but either way debating over whether he died or was hurt won't change anything.

So you're saying Dorf wasn't trying to beat them and that he's an idiot?

Only this isn't an example of pis.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Killing a couple mooks is not gonna win LoK anything when things in LoZ can solo the entirety of LoK.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's too late, the thread has already developed a singularity at it's center, all that's left is the development of a full on black hole. It'll start off small, small enough to shine, but it'll get big, big and black.

But in seriousness, this is a terribly lopsided fight with just Link, Zant, and Ganondorf allowed, and I'm kinda bored of tap-dancing around annoying a pair of people who'll just ignore evidence anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I hope you got the point and there are a lot of various other examples which don't have Superman's special circumstances but there's the thing Superman's powers cover it he doesn't need outside gear like Link does so it's still a valid example.

You don't get it. Superman has a power that functions in the same way as the Iron Boots. Link's boots cover his need, while Superman has a power that covers his need. Superman doesn't need outside equipment because he has a power that mimics outside equipment. If he didn't have the power, he'd need the boots.

Are you kidding me? The guy has once destroyed an asteroid twice the size of the planet before just by flying through it. The guy is strength personified.

That's not what he asked for. He asked for an instance of the Hulk stopping something without being pushed back.

Wrong it's a part of his power set whereas the boots aren't a part of Link's nor Bo's. It's just gear they need whereas Superman doesn't need gear to perform his strength feats. He's also portrayed as strong unlike Link.

The boots are a part of Link's powerset. You're also ignoring the fact that Superman needs that power or he couldn't do several of his feats. Now you're back to portrayals. Link is portrayed as strong, you're just ignoring it and making excuses.

There was no thrashing and creators can ignore physics whenever they want to in whatever form. It's called fantasy which means it doesn't have to be realistic and in this case is certainly not.

But they were obeying physics when they created Superman's anchoring power and the Iron Boots. Both of those are nods to physics.

That anchoring ability is inherent in his powers whereas Boots aren't inherent in Link's powers it's outside gear.

Your point is? The boots = anchoring. If Superman didn't have that power, he would need something else.

Bo is strong enough just like Link to stop a goat on his own. He isn't strong enough to stop a goron nor is Link without the boots.

I keep saying the boots are just weight and anchoring. You keep ignoring it. When Link stops a Goron and picks it up, he is showing tremendus arm strength.

I am not lying but I haven't looked for any videos yet here on my time maybe in the future but I assure you I haven't exaggerated his strength at all. It makes sense now you are supporting zelda because you haven't played lok. It's so obvious when you play both games.

I've seen a few videos, and I was not impressed. It's your job to impress me. Oh, look, are you asking me to trust you while posting no evidence? I should just stop trying right now, since it's obvious you're not going to give evidence.

Prove to me that you're not lying or get out. It's that simple.

None of the treasure chests are accurate nor is it accurate when he holds up keys as everyone in the game isn't frozen in time. I mean it's rather obvious.

Keys =/= Ball & Chain. Link lifts the Ball & Chain with ease in cutscene.

I'll admit the heart tearing is from blood omen 2 when he was much weaker before his full strength came back but in defiance he wields the reaver the entire time. I can remember he snapped a neck easily at the beginning but for the most part uses his sword. In blood omen 2 he was without the sword until the end of the game and even when he was weakened he could still tear human hearts out.

I don't care about those. As per your rules, Defiance is the only thing that counts. As of now, Kain's only feat is neck snapping. Not impressive.

Kain could teleport away from it or turn into mist. The only time Kain was bfr'd was when he held back against Raziel tring to talk sense into him while he was possessed and Raziel rips his heart out and tk's him into a portal.

Midna teleports him or TKs him into Lake Hylia.

You have no evidence to suggest otherwise and we didn't see any formidable defense from hyrule at any portion in the game. Gorons pale in comparison to the enemies in defiance such as the demons.

We didn't see defense because it got crushed. The Zoras were frozen, the Goron's leader got corrupted, and the Hylian soldiers were turned into shadow beasts. Now, you're going to have to prove this claim about demons. Gorons are immune to volcanic heat, explosives, and falling massive distances. They don't need to breathe and they can shatter boulders with a punch. A punch that Link has tanked before, too.

Kain has done even more than this pathetic accomplishment and seeing the soldiers we see in tp it's the biggest joke force I have ever seen in a video game. Kain time travels in defiance so he isn't about amassing an army he's about restoring balance to nosgoth while the eg and Moebius and the Hylden are trying to manipulate Raziel into killing Kain because he's the only one who can.

If he's done so much more, why don't you name an example. Are you saying Kain doesn't have an army? That'll make it even easier.

Dorf has magical power feats not any particular strength feats per say. I will give you breaking the chains but to me that's not impressive by itself.

Crushed an artifact of massive magical power in one hand. All the power of the Twili in physical form, the power that killed Zant, shattered barriers, and ripped holes in space, and Ganondorf just breaks it on a whim.

Nope, sorry but Superman's powers are self contained he doesn't need other items like Link.

Superman's powerset is an item.

No, tp wasn't realistic at all the graphics were more so the game wasn't.

Now you're arguing with the creator of the game.

Both guys got what they wanted not just Dorf. Both used each other whereas Kain imposed his will upon nosgoth.

Zant repeated several of Ganondorf's moves from OoT. The Zoras were frozen in both games, and the Goron's leader was indisposed in both games. The proves that Zant was following the orders of Ganondorf.

Dorf's durability isn't better at all he gets pierced quite easily and his body blows up quite easily. Dorf also was very weakened after the sword piercing where as Kain seems to not be bothered at all after he comes to by having his heart ripped out.

How many times must I tell you that he was peirced before the Triforce of Power came into effect. After the Triforce of Power was activated, Ganondorf laughed the sword of like it was nothing. The other time was at the hands of his plot device weakness, as was his body's destruction. I notice that Kain is also peirced easily, as his heart was ripped out.

Yes, he was out but not dead but either way debating over whether he died or was hurt won't change anything.

He was laughing. Obviously not hurt.

So you're saying Dorf wasn't trying to beat them and that he's an idiot?

Was an idiot. Past tense. He wised up once it came time to move again. He wasn't trying to beat them because he knew that their only weapon couldn't hurt him and he could disintegrate them with a touch. It looked to me like he was trying to intimidate them.

Only this isn't an example of pis.

He was stupid to make the plot work. It obviously was Plot Induced Stupidity.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
You know, what you say might carry some more weight if you actually play a Zelda game. Half of us have played both LoK and LoZ. You only have half of the picture, so its impossible for you to make an accurate judgement. In Zelda, you cant understand an event or power until you understand the things leading up to that.

No you have not, half of you have played perhaps one game, and in the one case you have played its irrelevant to the primary powerset of the characters being talked about. Storyline is irrelevant to Link lifting random objects so your talking nonsense.

Originally posted by The Scenario
You don't get it. Superman has a power that functions in the same way as the Iron Boots. Link's boots cover his need, while Superman has a power that covers his need. Superman doesn't need outside equipment because he has a power that mimics outside equipment. If he didn't have the power, he'd need the boots.

That's not what he asked for. He asked for an instance of the Hulk stopping something without being pushed back.

The boots are a part of Link's powerset. You're also ignoring the fact that Superman needs that power or he couldn't do several of his feats. Now you're back to portrayals. Link is portrayed as strong, you're just ignoring it and making excuses.

But they were obeying physics when they created Superman's anchoring power and the Iron Boots. Both of those are nods to physics.

Your point is? The boots = anchoring. If Superman didn't have that power, he would need something else.

I keep saying the boots are just weight and anchoring. You keep ignoring it. When Link stops a Goron and picks it up, he is showing tremendus arm strength.

I've seen a few videos, and I was not impressed. It's your job to impress me. Oh, look, are you asking me to trust you while posting no evidence? I should just stop trying right now, since it's obvious you're not going to give evidence.

Prove to me that you're not lying or get out. It's that simple.

Keys =/= Ball & Chain. Link lifts the Ball & Chain with ease in cutscene.

I don't care about those. As per your rules, Defiance is the only thing that counts. As of now, Kain's only feat is neck snapping. Not impressive.

Midna teleports him or TKs him into Lake Hylia.

We didn't see defense because it got crushed. The Zoras were frozen, the Goron's leader got corrupted, and the Hylian soldiers were turned into shadow beasts. Now, you're going to have to prove this claim about demons. Gorons are immune to volcanic heat, explosives, and falling massive distances. They don't need to breathe and they can shatter boulders with a punch. A punch that Link has tanked before, too.

If he's done so much more, why don't you name an example. Are you saying Kain doesn't have an army? That'll make it even easier.

Crushed an artifact of massive magical power in one hand. All the power of the Twili in physical form, the power that killed Zant, shattered barriers, and ripped holes in space, and Ganondorf just breaks it on a whim.

Superman's powerset is an item.

Now you're arguing with the creator of the game.

Zant repeated several of Ganondorf's moves from OoT. The Zoras were frozen in both games, and the Goron's leader was indisposed in both games. The proves that Zant was following the orders of Ganondorf.

How many times must I tell you that he was peirced before the Triforce of Power came into effect. After the Triforce of Power was activated, Ganondorf laughed the sword of like it was nothing. The other time was at the hands of his plot device weakness, as was his body's destruction. I notice that Kain is also peirced easily, as his heart was ripped out.

He was laughing. Obviously not hurt.

Was an idiot. Past tense. He wised up once it came time to move again. He wasn't trying to beat them because he knew that their only weapon couldn't hurt him and he could disintegrate them with a touch. It looked to me like he was trying to intimidate them.

He was stupid to make the plot work. It obviously was Plot Induced Stupidity.

He's done this multiple times but he doesn't need something else to anchor him down.

No, the boots are a part of his gear they aren't his powers. If he chooses to put them on he kills his agility and mobility.

I don't have any sound on here and maybe if I have spare time I can search youtube for examples but I don't know if I will. I don't have to post videos since I played both games.

Superman doesn't need anchoring powers or more importantly other characters with his type strength don't need it it's just the writer chose to define it in this way.

All scenes with pulling stuff out of boxes isn't canon because it makes no sense for time to freeze and other enemies to stop attacking just because he gets an item. He can't wiled thme in combat which has to do with actual gameplay.

He tosses raziel around very easily as well who is strong enough to tear a heart out so he still has greater strength than Raziel. I've seen nothing to suggest Dorf is anywhere near this strong so Kain's proven to be stronger.

Teleports away or turns into mist.

Gorons or Zoras can also be killed by being slashed or attacked from bigger forces especially if iron boots can out normal men on equal footing against them.

He's done much more in previous games in this game what he accomplishes is still awesome because he is running around through time and imposing his will. Defeating the eg in combat is an awesome feat considering how powerful the eg is and how all encompassing he is throughout nosgoth.

Link doesn't have an army either and Kain gets all enemies from defiance as his army for this thread so I am more than comfortable with his forces here that they win.

What did he crush again? Which part in the game did this take place in?

No, those are his powers an item is something physical not something contained within you.

No, I am not it's you who doesn't get it.

Previous games don't count and like I said Zant also got what he wanted just like Dorf.

So now he wasn't weakened? You just said he was a few posts ago now he's not hurt at all???????

He got caught off guard again by Link and was completely taken by surprise and he let Link and Midna roam around to only later beat him again.

Nope that's an excuse.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No you have not, half of you have played perhaps one game, and in the one case you have played its irrelevant to the primary powerset of the characters being talked about. Storyline is irrelevant to Link lifting random objects so your talking nonsense.

One game is better than none, and it is all that is asked of you. The Legend of Zelda is like sex for your imagination; who wouldn't want that?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Superman's powers explain this while other super strong characters don't and besides that it's his powers which cover this not some other object like in Link's case.

That's the thing: Because it is explained, it obeys physics. Those other characters that do it without explanation are breaking physics until it's explained. Superman's powerset is basically a set of items; the result is the same.

He's done this multiple times but he doesn't need something else to anchor him down.

Scans. Now.

No, the boots are a part of his gear they aren't his powers. If he chooses to put them on he kills his agility and mobility.

No, they don't.

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I don't have any sound on here and maybe if I have spare time I can search youtube for examples but I don't know if I will. I don't have to post videos since I played both games.

You do have to post videos if you want to back up your claims. That is how a debate works. If you don't have evidence to back you up, you lose.

Superman doesn't need anchoring powers or more importantly other characters with his type strength don't need it it's just the writer chose to define it in this way.

Superman needs his anchoring powers in order to obey the Laws of Physics. The writers added it to explain that he is, in fact, obeying physics, just like the Zelda writers added the Iron/Heavy Boots to obey physics.

All scenes with pulling stuff out of boxes isn't canon because it makes no sense for time to freeze and other enemies to stop attacking just because he gets an item. He can't wiled thme in combat which has to do with actual gameplay.

Time doesn't freeze; the game just pauses. It's still canon, just like that Iron/Heavy Boots cutscene, above.

He tosses raziel around very easily as well who is strong enough to tear a heart out so he still has greater strength than Raziel. I've seen nothing to suggest Dorf is anywhere near this strong so Kain's proven to be stronger.

Kain tosses Raziel because Raziel is light. I've told you before, it's weight that determines if you get tossed, not strength. Tearing out a heart isn't even that impressive; it's just flesh and bone. Ganondorf crushes artifacts.

Teleports away or turns into mist.

Teleports him again or TKs the mist.

Gorons or Zoras can also be killed by being slashed or attacked from bigger forces especially if iron boots can out normal men on equal footing against them.

No Goron in the series has ever taken serious damage, and the Zoras can apparently survive being frozen. Now, can you prove that LoK has bigger forces than the Gorons? Until you have a cutscene of a demon or something shattering boulders with a punch, LoK's mooks can't take the Gorons.

He's done much more in previous games in this game what he accomplishes is still awesome because he is running around through time and imposing his will. Defeating the eg in combat is an awesome feat considering how powerful the eg is and how all encompassing he is throughout nosgoth.

In previous games? No, that doesn't count; just Defiance, remember? Prove how powerful the Elder God is.

Link doesn't have an army either and Kain gets all enemies from defiance as his army for this thread so I am more than comfortable with his forces here that they win.

Zelda has an army, Ganondorf has an army, Zant has an army, Darbus has an army, and Ralis has an army. Legend of Zelda seems to outnumber Legacy of Kain by a large margin.

What did he crush again? Which part in the game did this take place in?

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No, those are his powers an item is something physical not something contained within you.

They perform the same exact function.

No, I am not it's you who doesn't get it.

He said the game was too realistic and so he couldn't do the usual Zelda craziness. You're saying it wasn't realistic. Sounds like you're arguing with the creator.

Previous games don't count and like I said Zant also got what he wanted just like Dorf.

Yeah, he got some power and the crown of the Twilight Realm. Too bad Ganondorf was manipulating him the entire time and was the real power behind the throne.

So now he wasn't weakened? You just said he was a few posts ago now he's not hurt at all???????

That's the power of evidence, Quanchi. I played the game, but I didn't remember everything that happened. When I watched the cutscene again I realized I was wrong and adjusted my argument accordingly. Ganondorf wasn't hurt at all, as evidence by just laughing of the sword in the cutscene.

He got caught off guard again by Link and was completely taken by surprise and he let Link and Midna roam around to only later beat him again.

He let them collect the Fused Shadows, them got Zant to steal them. He just didn't see the Master Sword plot device coming. You know, Ganondorf also broke the Mirror of Twilight, the thing that defeated him last time. That's correcting mistakes right there.

Nope that's an excuse.

You said it wasn't PIS when it was. The same thing with Kain being a retard before he became a vampire.

Quan, Hulk is capable of leaping into lower Earth orbit. If I recall, a principle of physics is that mass increases with velocity. Of course, that's all irrelevant since that is not like what Link does at all. Smashing things is very different from stopping it. Especially different since Hulk was moving as well. Link did not.

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Physics doesn't mean as much with super powered characters. Like with other people stopping large objects moving at them(the Thing, Hancock), when its super its usually 'given' an explanation.

Thing is likely rather heavy being made of stone. And as far as I can tell Hancock is like Superman. But I don't remember him every defying physics.

Ben's 500 lbs, the truck was 30-40,000 lbs. Hancock vs the train, can even type that in youtube. On strength alone.

Breaks physics.

Nodding to physics does not weaken a character.

You don't mean the Fantastic Four movie, do you? I don't think the movies are very canon. Besides, he threw his shoulder into it, which is motion. Stopping things in motion without really moving is what Link does. The rule is that you cannot stop a heavier object in motion without being moved.

I don't remember how Hancock vs the train happened.