LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Oh great, now they're claiming Dangoro's jumping is toonforce? haermm Anything they don't like suddenly falls under toonforce or is ignored. I wish I could live in such a fantasy world where I just close my eyes and it all goes away.

I wonder how BT will adapt to adulthood? "Bills!? Nuhuh! *closes eyes and plugs ears* I don't owe you any taxes!"

but seriously, this is gettign stupid. It's been proven conclusively Link is far stronger than Kain, who's not even a threat in this thread anyway...

The EG is the only being in LoK worth a second thought, and that second thought is two words. "Master Sword." Bam, EG's hopeless, too.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Comedic purposes do not override a weight. You know how toonforce would apply to this? Dangoro can leap ten feet in the air without using his legs because of toonforce, he did it for comedic purposes. That doesn't make him any less heavy, nor prove anything for you. Not to mention Dangoro doing that has absolutely nothing to do with the strength feat you seem to think it overrides.

Funny, I've never seen anything toppled. Can you point out one of these occasions? I must have been elsewhere. Perhaps it was yesterday during a power outage.

Kain is an 80 tonner. Link trounces this. Hell, you even agreed to an equivalency at one point, yet you still assume Kain could defeat Link easily.

These powers you wank to no end consist of featless spells and useless abilities. One of which could be useful, except for the fact that Link has faced a user of the same ability who does it better than Kain.

Oh wait, that's not all, I'll even throw in a bonus point!

Ganondorf cannot be harmed by anything in LoK, ever. Well, maybe if you gave Kain the Master Sword and a pair of Golden Gauntlets. But you'd have to figure out some way to let Kain wield the MS.

I recommend the power of JUSTICE!.

You claim that the term toonforce only works on something for comedic purposes, thats not true. I am refering to the way a cartoon can, regardless of whether its funny or not (whats funny is a perspective anyway) do ridiculous things like mice lifting cars, cats surviving anvis falling from the atmosphere etc etc. In this case, its how toons can bounce along the top of lava while holding their appedages in pain which relates to Dangoro. Weight, strength etc is cancled out physically if it comes from toonforce because its not physical forces that allow it to happen. Its a fictional anomoly. if you want to say its not toonforce then fine, label it as some other impossibly physical anomoly that makes no sense.

I dunno, a fairly recent one is canon iron>fan made math measurements.

Kain cant be, Raziel can move 80/90 ton blocks with ease, therefore Raziel is far above 80/90 tons and Kain can easily manhandle Raziel. Link does not trounce any of this and I agreed that him moving blocks can be seriously looked into. Because being strong is not the only factor 😬

Useless? dont call draining the blood out of hordes of enemies, inspiring foes into hate and killing eachother, soul raping and mind control useless when the LoZ side have no real (non fanon MS wanking) protection against said powers. And none of this "link has faced A therefore B is true" nonsense, unless the character in question has said power and actually used it on link and failed then its no case.

Thats not even a point, thats a combination of fan wank on Ganon+no limit fallacy on the Master sword being required. If that was the case then Kain is completly immortal and unstoppable and the EG is an unseen and untouchable titan. Ofc, Quanchi and the forum itself cancels out these factors.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

You do live in a fantasy world lol...

But anyway stop trolling, debate or get out of the thread. Spamming "zomg! my fanon is being throttled!" over and over again wont change anyones mind, least of all someone who knows something about the series.

Kain or any of the teleporters have concluded to kill Link with ease, he cant react based on real evidence.

Playing tennis with lightning > your silly teleporters. 🙂 None of whom have the necessary strength feats to fight Link, I might add.

See, your ignoring everything in every thread and simply repeating whats been refuted. Youve never proven real lightning at natural lightning speed has been reacted by anyone in LoZ. The Teleporters based on real feats snap Links neck or maybe mind control him for lulz.

Nah, the real evidence shows that Kain has no speed feats, his teleport is pathetic, and Link's reacted to teleporters before and come out on top, AND he's played Tennis with lightning, he has every advantage.

Thanks for proving my point....your whole debating tact over and over again is "zomg come on bandwagon!" and when that collapses you result to what your doing now, simply repeating a battered, boring and tired argument while ignoring the rest of the thread and real evidence lol...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thanks for proving my point....your whole debating tact over and over again is "zomg come on bandwagon!" and when that collapses you result to what your doing now, simply repeating a battered, boring and tired argument while ignoring the rest of the thread and real evidence lol...

Go play a Zelda game, pretty much any 3d title will do, Link has lightning shot at him, and swats it out of the air with his sword. 🙂 This is the sort of reaction feat Kain wishes he could have. He reacts to and defeats teleportation in every game, as well.

Now, go play any Zelda game, Link has incredible strength feats in pretty much all of them. 😮!

Great durability, too.

your argument is pathetic, and has been beaten a million times, I'm just reminding you why Kain loses, as you seem to forget everytime you go to post. Might wanna see a doctor about that.

You just pretty much repeated the shallow and repeated nonsense I called you out on in my last post.

Links had little balls of energy or lightning fired at him, others have said the same thing. Anything electrical in a fiction is not automatcially assumed to move at natural lightning speed, your embarassing yourself...again...

Edit- and Kains fought against similiar powers many times. in the form of lightning and pure energy (that looks like lightning) so your nonsense is laughable.

Oh look, the "It's not as fazt as real lighting becuz I say so!" and "It's in ball shape!" arguments.

Gameplay mechanics, mah boi. Nothing more. Link, unlike Kain, actually swats this electricity out of the air. Much like he'd swat Kain's head off his shoulders if the vampire was actually dumb enoguh to teleport anywhere near him.

You know, like how he did to Zant.

No you cant prove it was actual real lightning. Your assuming from nothing, just because it looks like lightning. Perhaps every bolt, ball or every projectile lightning in every game regardless of how its formed is automatcially instant natural speed lightning now? coles lightning grenades like BR mentioned, Warcraft thunder bolts and orbs, Diablo lightning blasts etc etc, you think you can assume the fiction is simply portrating them wrong for gameplay sake and in truth their streams of 80k m/s energy?

At least when you overhyped LoZ with math it made it look more official and well thought out but BS like this is just embarrassing to even reply to 😆

Originally posted by Burning thought
No you cant prove it was actual real lightning. Your assuming from nothing, just because it looks like lightning. Perhaps every bolt, ball or every projectile lightning in every game regardless of how its formed is automatcially instant natural speed lightning now? coles lightning grenades like BR mentioned, Warcraft thunder bolts and orbs, Diablo lightning blasts etc etc, you think you can assume the fiction is simply portrating them wrong for gameplay sake and in truth their streams of 80k m/s energy?

At least when you overhyped LoZ with math it made it look more official and well thought out but BS like this is just embarrassing to even reply to 😆

Actually, I can. Ganon and his minions have shoosted lighting all through out the games, and like Zeus, in gamepaly fights, it takes the form or spheres so the player can react.

Link reliably reflects lighting.

What's embarrassing is that you're actualyl trying to dispute it with nothing. You have nothing. you just claim "NO! It's not!!!", and have nothing to support it. 🙂 Unlike me. I've played the Zelda games, I know what goes in within them.

There is no assumption, what would be an assumption, and a silly one, is that a character who's known to shoot lightning bolts, and creates minions who shoot lighting bolts, and has the power to destroy islands freeze over cities and levitate castles passively, merge entire dimensions, ect, is shooting a slower weaker version of normal lightning the moment he's in actual danger?

I laugh at you, sir. And hard.

Zeus however actually shoots lightning and like Zeus, who can in a cinematic as shown launch orbs of lightning like how he did in GoW 2 to destroy Spartan buildings. BS assumptions and reaching like "its just slowed down so players can react" is daft, technically the same logic could apply to the whole game set, e.g. it could have taken the form of real lightnign only a gameplay mechanic would have slowed the whole thing down instead of simply making it extremely slow orbs.

No you dont, you dont have a clue what the lightning takes the form of. Your just claiming that because its lightning or looks like such then its automatically at max lightning speed, you claim this with zero evidence.

Hes shooting a slower and weaker version because hes not that powerful and is portrayed as shooting slower and weaker versions, this is like the iron boots all over again only even worse because its relevent to other games and your assuming daft things that apparently have to assumed in Infamous, Diablo, Warcraft and even LoK as well. All bolts or lightning slower than real lightning is actually at top lightning speed? lol....

Go away and let Moocow debate in this thread, his last post was not so bad and your making a mockery of your own side with this daft lightning reaching.

Hes shooting a slower and weaker version because hes not that powerful and is portrayed as shooting slower and weaker versions, this is like the iron boots all over again only even worse because its relevent to other games and your assuming daft things that apparently have to assumed in Infamous, Diablo, Warcraft and even LoK as well. All bolts or lightning slower than real lightning is actually at top lightning speed? lol....

Nah, there's several key differences.
1. Ganon is infact that powerful, and has shot lighting before, legit lighting bolts, at full lightning speed.
2. Link does not simply avoid the lightning like other characters do, he actively plays tennis with it. He and Ganondorf bat it back and forth. Very few characters can do this. Hell, even Zeus can't reflect his own lightning after Kratos throws it back. Ganon and Link can both do this.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
BAAAAAAHAHAHA, oh damn. BT just stole Quanchi's argument. This thread is about to get even dumber. haermm "Portrayed"

Nah, there's several key differences.
1. Ganon is infact that powerful, and has shot lighting before, legit lighting bolts, at full lightning speed.
2. Link does not simply avoid the lightning like other characters do, he actively plays tennis with it. He and Ganondorf bat it back and forth. Very few characters can do this. Hell, even Zeus can't reflect his own lightning after Kratos throws it back. Ganon and Link can both do this.

While I agree that Ganon has shot lightning, Link has never played tennis with it. In any game.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
While I agree that Ganon has shot lightning, Link has never played tennis with it. In any game.

In TP Ganondorf does this while he's possessing Zelda.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You claim that the term toonforce only works on something for comedic purposes, thats not true. I am refering to the way a cartoon can, regardless of whether its funny or not (whats funny is a perspective anyway) do ridiculous things like mice lifting cars, cats surviving anvis falling from the atmosphere etc etc. In this case, its how toons can bounce along the top of lava while holding their appedages in pain which relates to Dangoro. Weight, strength etc is cancled out physically if it comes from toonforce because its not physical forces that allow it to happen. Its a fictional anomoly. if you want to say its not toonforce then fine, label it as some other impossibly physical anomoly that makes no sense.

Well then, toonforce has to only work on cartoons then. Otherwise, it is applicable to LoK. So, let's define a cartoon character. How about, a character on a cartoon? Legend of Zelda is not a cartoon. No toonforce.

However, you are correct (GASP!) in saying that it doesn't make sense. Gorons are proven lava walkers, Dangoro being harmed makes absolutely no sense. And since you've pointed out before that new events do not override past ones, Dangoro's lava damage, if you can call it that, is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dunno, a fairly recent one is canon iron>fan made math measurements.

Ah, yes, and despite a proven impossibility for Dangoro to weigh the 400 pounds he would need to be for those boots to be iron, they are iron, right? You can cling to a title that was placed there only in the english version all you want. We are correct, these boots are far heavier than iron. You couldn't topple a sand castle with a stick of dynamite.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain cant be, Raziel can move 80/90 ton blocks with ease, therefore Raziel is far above 80/90 tons and Kain can easily manhandle Raziel. Link does not trounce any of this and I agreed that him moving blocks can be seriously looked into. Because being strong is not the only factor 😬

K. Link has better strength feats anyway.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Useless? dont call draining the blood out of hordes of enemies, inspiring foes into hate and killing eachother, soul raping and mind control useless when the LoZ side have no [b]real (non fanon MS wanking) protection against said powers. And none of this "link has faced A therefore B is true" nonsense, unless the character in question has said power and actually used it on link and failed then its no case.[/B]

Featless spells are featless. And until you show these spells working on something with durability greater than that of, oh, I dunno, paper, I will be correct by the rules of basic logic. Something cannot do X until being shown it can do so.

Kain falls under the evil label anyway, rendering Link immune to most of these stupid spells anyway. The fact that you don't like this doesn't make it any less true, so try actually disproving it instead of ignoring it. It's probably like having herpes, ignoring it does not make it go away.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not even a point, thats a combination of fan wank on Ganon+no limit fallacy on the Master sword being required. If that was the case then Kain is completly immortal and unstoppable and the EG is an unseen and untouchable titan. Ofc, Quanchi and the forum itself cancels out these factors.

He's taken more damage than anything in LoK will ever produce with their featless bullshit, and then continued to fight, resulting in more damage. Then he got up again to fight, and took more damage before finally dropping, not even for good by the way. He was still alive. Even one beating from Link with the Master Sword is enough durability to sponge anything Kain, Raziel, or whatever else has.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh great, now they're claiming Dangoro's jumping is toonforce? haermm Anything they don't like suddenly falls under toonforce or is ignored. I wish I could live in such a fantasy world where I just close my eyes and it all goes away.

I wonder how BT will adapt to adulthood? "Bills!? Nuhuh! *closes eyes and plugs ears* I don't owe you any taxes!"

but seriously, this is gettign stupid. It's been proven conclusively Link is far stronger than Kain, who's not even a threat in this thread anyway...

The EG is the only being in LoK worth a second thought, and that second thought is two words. "Master Sword." Bam, EG's hopeless, too.

Get back to me when Link can pull someone's heart out of their chest. The guy barely can move around while struggling to lift the ball and chain and when he wears his boots he's practically as limber as a statue.

Master sword can be blocked by any respectable knight in combat so where's the uberness of it? Seriously?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Playing tennis with lightning > your silly teleporters. 🙂 None of whom have the necessary strength feats to fight Link, I might add.

Pfff... Link reflects lighting with whatever's lying around...

Boots don't increase his strength, Quan. I honestly just explained this to my nephew who is in 5th grade now. He understands the entire concept.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Boots don't increase his strength, Quan. I honestly just explained this to my nephew who is in 5th grade now. He understands the entire concept.