It's too late, the thread has already developed a singularity at it's center, all that's left is the development of a full on black hole. It'll start off small, small enough to shine, but it'll get big, big and black.
But in seriousness, this is a terribly lopsided fight with just Link, Zant, and Ganondorf allowed, and I'm kinda bored of tap-dancing around annoying a pair of people who'll just ignore evidence anyway.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Sound Glyph, Flay, Charm and Inspire Hate could take many down in the Hyrule army..
Charm and inspire hate would pretty much put Link, Ganondorf and Zant on the LoK side. Their overpowered and you only see the closer range Reaver version of inspire hate in Defiance so I am not sure Quanchi will allow them powers.
Quanchi does not want this to be a stomp so it seems hes not allowing powers that the LoK side can do to solo LoZ 🙁
Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]Charm and inspire hate would pretty much put Link, Ganondorf and Zant on the LoK side.
No, Link has the Master Sword and Ganondorf is a master of said technique. His own surrogate parents were able to get a Sage under their control. Ganondorf >>>>>> Koume and Kotake >>>> Kain.
The MS has never stopped any such power and Ganondorf being the master of a technique (not proven) does not make him immune against it. Also this is not a technique he would be familiar with, Kains using his own LoK sorcery in a way Ganons not seen before, just because the end result is him being mind controlled or inspired into maddening hate (probably easy considering him and Link and a lot of hyrule are naturally enemies anyway) does not mean Ganon has any idea how to defend himself based on him doing a similiar power.
Kain only needs those two powers to win and then he can sit back and watch LoZ tear itself apart without hardly lifting a finger. And if it was allowed the Hylden lord could instantly possess any one of them, afterall he did it through dimensions when he was weak.
Oh look, BT's claiming featless spells ftw, how unusual. Ohwait, he does this allll the damn time.
No, seriously. Claim all the retarded crap you want, Link, and Ganondorf, just those two, take apart the entire LoK verse. 😐 This is just how bad it is, this has been proven. Ganondorf warps in some water, maybe creates some mooks, zaps a few vampires. Link does some casual swording, they call it a day.
You just "claimed all the retarded crap you want" so your also a hypocrite. All these spells are proven and LoZ has no defence.
The three circle mages Dejoule, Anacronothe and Bane would simply create the huge reality warping field that would devour the LoZ universe quite quickly. Tranforming them into insane, derranged and mishapen versions of their former selves. Or worse...
Ofc the EG could just bury the lot of them, or Kain just uses superior speed and power combinations to take them all out. He does not need to mind control or inspire them into hate tbh.
Lol @ Kain having superior anything. The dude's spells are featless, his best strength feat is terribly ambiguous and amounts to him catching a human sized mass in motion, and his speed has NO showings whatsoever. Contrast this with Link, who has demonstrated insane super-strength, incredible reflexes, great skill, and carries a very powerful weapon beyond anything in the LoKverse. 🙂
His spells are capable of taking out Zelda by itself and his strength feats amount to him overpowering someone with real strength unlike a few poor delusions around random weights added in for lulz despite evidence proving otherwise. You didnt describe Link there, it looks like you were describing Kain again only replace "LoKverse" with "LoZverse" 🙂
Originally posted by Burning thought
The MS has never stopped any such power and Ganondorf being the master of a technique (not proven) does not make him immune against it. Also this is not a technique he would be familiar with, Kains using his own LoK sorcery in a way Ganons not seen before, just because the end result is him being mind controlled or inspired into maddening hate (probably easy considering him and Link and a lot of hyrule are naturally enemies anyway) does not mean Ganon has any idea how to defend himself based on him doing a similiar power.
And yet you think that a chump like Kain can overcome his betters with a gameplay spell that has no feats whatsoever? Ganondorf's underlings have better abilities than Kain.
I hear so much about the "Soul Reaver" being able to take souls, but you need to understand that Link meddles and manipulates souls all the time. Link has healed souls, captured souls, communicated with souls, absorbed souls, etc. Ganondorf effortlessly soul rapes. 😐 It's nothing they cant handle.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
And yet you think that a chump like Kain can overcome his betters with a [b]gameplay spell that has no feats whatsoever? Ganondorf's underlings have better abilities than Kain.I hear so much about the "Soul Reaver" being able to take souls, but you need to understand that Link meddles and manipulates souls all the time. Link has healed souls, captured souls, communicated with souls, absorbed souls, etc. Ganondorf effortlessly soul rapes. 😐 It's nothing they cant handle. [/B]
Most spells are gameplay, as are most weapons....only Kain has canon dialogue for all of them and like all powers they have feats, just not storyline ones. They have base uses, the fact Ganon has no defences against the base use of the power.
A vast number of entities in LoK also manipulate souls, thing is youve never shown Link or Ganon soul raping anyone. Only slowing moving about, shooting tiny bolts of energy.
LoZ are of a far lower tier than LoK.
Originally posted by Burning thought
They have base uses, the fact Ganon has no defences against the base use of the power.
The whole first sentence was junk. You say Ganondorf has no defenses except, you know, doing the same power with a stronger effect from any distance. And, btw, in TP, Ganondorf proves that there is no defense from his direct control when Midna with full Fused Shadows attemps to defend Zelda with her own body and fails horribly.
The only one here with no defenses or competence is LoK.
A vast number of entities in LoK also manipulate souls, thing is youve never shown Link or Ganon soul raping anyone. Only slowing moving about, shooting tiny bolts of energy.LoZ are of a far lower tier than LoK.
You've been shown 9000 times on multiple threads. 🙁 Do you seriously not remember?
Oh, when the 3DS comes out, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D is being remade. This is the perfect opportunity for you to play the best Zelda game ever. I want you to commit to getting it.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
The whole first sentence was junk. You say Ganondorf has no defenses except, you know, doing the same power with a stronger effect from any distance. And, btw, in TP, Ganondorf proves that there is no defense from his direct control when Midna attemps to defend Zelda with her own body and fails horribly.
The only one here with no defenses or competence is LoK.You've been shown 9000 times on multiple threads. 🙁 Do you seriously not remember?
Oh, when the 3DS comes out, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D is being remade. This is the perfect opportunity for you to play the best Zelda game ever. I want you to commit to getting it.
Youve yet to explain how doing this power makes him immune to it, as I said before Kain has all theses powers, that does not make him immune to lightning, soul powers or otherwise just because he can do them. Your talking about the slow transformation into twilight of Ganons body? thats not proof of anything....
LoK have a vast amount of powerful entities, many groups throughout the LoKverse could dispatch the worst of LoZ with utter ease.
Your probably refering to something that does not look like a spiritual attack of any kind of power like the twilight one i mentioned above.
Not sure how me playing that game will make me change my mind, afterall I have researched OoT and watched a lot of the things you belive are impressive. Perhaps when OoT is remade, it will have newer features that will retcon the old nonsense that does not make sense.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Youve yet to explain how doing this power makes him immune to it, as I said before Kain has all theses powers, that does not make him immune to lightning, soul powers or otherwise just because he can do them. Your talking about the slow transformation into twilight of Ganons body? thats not proof of anything....LoK have a vast amount of powerful entities, many groups throughout the LoKverse could dispatch the worst of LoZ with utter ease.
Your probably refering to something that does not look like a spiritual attack of any kind of power like the twilight one i mentioned above.
Not sure how me playing that game will make me change my mind, afterall I have researched OoT and watched a lot of the things you belive are impressive. Perhaps when OoT is remade, it will have newer features that will retcon the old nonsense that does not make sense.
Before that, you need to explain how Kain is resistant when he gets it done to him from the other side of the planet. Also, ToP.
If you are judging an attack's power and scale by how it "looks" then you are already on the wrong path. Cause and effect are what's important, not how many colors there were on the attack.
I'm sure that it will change your mind. We have already shown you that research isn't enough; you need to see for yourself. Within the Zelda universe, we cant even agree on a solid timeline, much less fill the gaps of lore. LoZ is very complicated, and you will never understand it by reading some website's opinions on what they think about Zelda's lore. I mean, some people think that there are 4 parts to the Triforce, for example. Until you've played through a couple games (or at least OoT) you are fighting blind.
That's why everyone gives you such a hard time about it.